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The Story of the End of America.

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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
You truly are a racist aren't you? What in the hell does being white have anything to do with the topic at hand?! Just another nasty bigot like you claim to hate.


What does being white have to do with it? Not a damn thing. Be white all you want. You could sparkle in the sun, though, and you still would not be counted among the "rich white republicans" that I mentioned. It's like "A Tribe Called Quest," you say the whole thing. Sharing a genetic tendency for the same skin tone as Ronald Reagan, the Bush family, the Vanderbilts, and other such folks, does not actually mean you have anything in common with them, and I'm sorry if they've deluded you into thinking you do.

We'll get more to that in a second. I feel I just have to ask. Do you feel any touch of irony at making this post, while having a virulently racist and pathologically violent film character in your avatar? I mean hey, personally? I loved Gangs of New York, it's a favorite, and hey, his massive faults are what make The Butcher a hell of a character. But... really? it's just something that amuses me


Back to topic!


As for the real people who have been trying to isolate individuals from their community take a look in the mirror. Americans were pretty united and worked together tirelessly prior to the implementation of the welfare state and the 'war on poverty' which did the opposite actually.


A few fallacies here. First, isolating people from their communities is the last thing on my mind; it's only through community that our species can exist and be anything more than roving tiger food. In fact the very post you're responding to espouses community effort to aid each other in a time of need, and decries political efforts to strip that from American life.

Second, there is no "welfare state." Except insomuch as the state actually is required to provide for the general welfare of its people (really, it's in the constitution, have a read sometime.) For the moment though, let's pretend this little fantasy of yours was true. Welfare has been getting shredded for the last thirty years, by - well, you no doubt still hate the phrase "Rich White Republicans" so let's be fair, and mention that Bill Clinton was a Fairly Wealthy White Democrat, too. See, it's not ALWAYS about party! Anyway, everything from section 8 housing, to social security, WIC, food assistance programs, all of it, has been getting put through a political blender for the last thirty years.

So I ask, given that the apparently terrible, terrible "welfare state" has been under constant and fairly successful attack for all this time, have things improved for the needy? My observation is that things have not. While the wages for the poor have been on a mild increase during this time, they have not kept anything near pace with inflation, which results in an actual net reduction of prosperity; If wages go up by 25 cents, but the dollar drops by thirty, you've just taken a pay cut. Incidentally this situation is not repeated through hte economic strata; the middle class has een moderate but tangible gains (though the lower-middle or "working" class isn't doing an awful lot better than the poor) while the upper class has pretty much skyrocketed in this period.

Third fallacy; "the War on Poverty doesn't work." Actually for the years after it got kicked off, it did wonders for the people who needed it across the nation; Maybe not all that it should have done, but it gets a solid B grade, which is more than most Washington policies can manage. So, what happened? Budget cuts! See, in order to support the enormous tax cuts the Rich White Politicians (See, it's not all about party!) gave themselves, there had to be cuts in the budget, else it would just look like they were stealing from the treasury, right (well, they WERE, but it's about appearance dammit)? So where were these cuts made?

To the "welfare state" you hate so much - the successful efforts of the (ridiculously-termed) "War on Poverty" were cut and cut, and cut again. That is, the people you vote for - and even some of the people I vote for, dammit - voted for a pay raise for themselves and their biggest fundraisers, and they did so by robbing from the poor.


It was these same policies which tore the Black communities to pieces and leaving those families in shambles, thus creating the systemic genocide of Black children through abortion.


Two more fallacies; on a roll this morning!

The "black family" was actually doing pretty well for itself until the Reagan-Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Clinton years. Halting the "War on Poverty" had the probably unsurprising effect of increasing poverty. Now, I don't know how much you know about socioeconomics - I'm guessing not enough to fill a bottlecap - but poverty tends to bring a whiole host of social problems with it. Dad has to step out of his family to hunt for work. This creates the first fracture in the familial system. Alcohol use rises among the adults in the family as a means to deal with the stresses of poverty - which has the double effect of alcoholism and spending needed money on booze. In many instances, the alcohol gives way to drug use as the spiral grows deeper and tighter. "Economic" crime - that is, criminal efforts to get ahead such as theft, robbery, and drug dealing - become more prevalent in an impoverished community as people do what they feel they need to do to make ends meet - McDonalds only has so many positions, after all. This increased crime rate leads to an increased incarceration rate - which has a further deleterious effect on the family, in addition to causing additional government funds to go towards the building of and support for the prison industry and the Gang In Blue (and I don't mean the Crips) rather than to where it needs to go - trying to end the cycle that causes the situation in the first place.

What you're not saying - perhaps you're even totally unaware of it, which is unsurprising - is that white families aren't doing any better than black ones under these conditions; nor are latino or Asian families with long roots in the country (more recent immigrants tend to preserve a much stronger sense of family and community, which is a big help for fighting the symptoms of poverty, if not poverty itself). And my people, well, the "Indian family" doesn't even make the charts, really, but the poverty on most reservations makes Watts look like Beverly Hills by comparison, so I think you can imagine what that might be like.

The second one - there is no "genocide of black babies." This is just a weird claim. Two things make it really weird; one, the notion that poor people need more babies, and two, the notion that black people need to worry about how many black people there are. I seem to remember a similar "campaign" of trying to keep black men from pursuing relationships with white women "to preserve the black community." 'Cause you know, white people and black people just can't form a community together, right? Of course not.


Thing is, babies are goddamned expensive. Call your mom, ask her how much you set her back by. Unless your economic means match your political philosophy (unlikely; if you owned a yacht club you'd have better things to do than post here) you probably couldn't dream about paying back her investment. It is in the interests of a woman - and her children - to delay parenthood until she is a position to support children, preferably with the aid of their father. This truth applies across all races - there is no statistical difference in rates of abortion between women of any race where abortion is available. Women who need the procedure take it.


The government in the name of 'helping the public welfare' put not only the blacks but all poor and working class people onto the plantation.


Except the government idea of "the public welfare" was to, ironically, dismantle welfare and anti-poverty programs. You're so close, I'll bet you can almost taste it!


In a disaster scenario I will work close with the people in my community and in my family just as we should be doing right now. People should rely only upon their own hard work, their family and friends, and even their community.
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On this we can agree; in the scenario at hand, the government, even if willing, would likely not be able to help anyway, thus it's a non-issue.




posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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This post has nothen to do with race or anything your talking aobut



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
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just as an addition I would also suggest learning a useful trade for bartering... I personally believe you can never go wrong with learning how to make some kind of liquor...


my trade is going to be producing food and making .223 rounds. Ammo will be the new $


I'll stick with making cider and building homes
be nice to get back to working with my hands again.. I miss that.. tho at the moment there is zero respect or any need for master craftsmen like me..
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by thoughtsfull

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
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just as an addition I would also suggest learning a useful trade for bartering... I personally believe you can never go wrong with learning how to make some kind of liquor...


my trade is going to be producing food and making .223 rounds. Ammo will be the new $


I'll stick with making cider and building homes
be nice to get back to working with my hands again.. I miss that.. tho at the moment there is zero respect or any need for master craftsmen like me..
edit on 26/5/11 by thoughtsfull because: (no reason given)


I agree, its sad that people look down at those who work with there hands. in due time we will be look down at them.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss
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This post has nothen to do with race or anything your talking aobut


Actually given that what I'm talking about is poverty, where it comes from, its effects on a community, and how to combat those effects through community involvement, my post is quite relevant. The person I'm responding to wished to make it into a racial issue, so I threw him a bone or two, sure. Might I suggest reading the whole damn thing, before herpderping a one-line response to it?

Thanks in advance.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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I know one thing: I'm glad I know how to hunt and that the woods are full of game; because once this goes down, and I do believe it will, nobody is going to have any use for a writer.

I may very well quadruple the size of my garden while is still early enough for most crops too.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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If city wide looting and riots start, your better off to just stay in the city.
1) You could and most likely be killed on your way out.
2) Stock up on food, and hold up in your house. Make it look unappealing from the outside, and deserted. No one will break in if it doesn't look promising, or if it looks like nothing is inside, leave all your cupboards open so people ( if they look in ) will see that theres nothing there, and it will look ransacked. That way they don't come in
3) Heading into the sticks is stupid, there'll be riots there too ( but smaller and not as many ).

Just stay in your city and hold up in your house



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by thedeadwalkk
If city wide looting and riots start, your better off to just stay in the city.
1) You could and most likely be killed on your way out.
2) Stock up on food, and hold up in your house. Make it look unappealing from the outside, and deserted. No one will break in if it doesn't look promising, or if it looks like nothing is inside, leave all your cupboards open so people ( if they look in ) will see that theres nothing there, and it will look ransacked. That way they don't come in
3) Heading into the sticks is stupid, there'll be riots there too ( but smaller and not as many ).

Just stay in your city and hold up in your house


hold up in your house and wait for what? the goverment to help you? this is going to last years. your going to have food and water in your house for years?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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if this happens, I see the emergence of small
rural colonies similar to the ones which started
this country.

Small Colonies founded back into a belief system
of religion, ethics and morality. These small colonies
will function similar to their own independent island.
Each one having their own law and order and
authoritative hierarchy structure.

Each Colony will assign specific duties for members
to make the whole Colony function. Different members
will have different occupations. Some devoted to
agriculture, some to construction, some to military
defense, some to medicine, teachers and schools, etc ....
Socialism at it's most basic level.

And some colonies will even make pacts with
nearby colonies to create hunting boundaries
and water rights similar to Native American tribes
long ago. And some will survive.
Others won't

And next time around, I hope they kick
the bankers right in the b@!!s
right before hanging them from
the highest limb in the colony.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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the US isn't going anywhere, this is an incredibly wealthy nation full of the american spirit and hidden wealth the government is coveting for themselves that will be revealed and distributed after we the people remove the criminals from every orifice of our political,banking, and judicial system


we'll be ok



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by thedeadwalkk
3) Heading into the sticks is stupid, there'll be riots there too ( but smaller and not as many ).

Just stay in your city and hold up in your house


There won't be any riots in the country, but there will be other dangers - like me - so yeah, if you're in the city I'd suggest you stay there. If it gets THAT bad, my family and my ability to feed them, comes first.
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by anumohi
the government is coveting for themselves that will be revealed and distributed after we the people remove the criminals from every orifice of our political,banking, and judicial system


lmao, in simple terms

will never happen

we will never remove the criminals
from the government. It's like a cancer
with no cure except the Phoenix approach
where a utopia arises from the ashes.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
There won't be any riots in the country, but there will be other dangers - like me - so yeah, if you're in the city I'd suggest you stay there. If it gets THAT bad, my family and my ability to feed them, comes first.


I understand your analogy,
I am a southern redneck too


But there is strength in numbers.
Joining or creating a colony would be a greater
chance of survival for you AND your family.

It worked for the Pilgrims


And even the cavemen hunted in packs

that is how they survived. Going it alone
just you and ur family, your chances of survival
are prob less than 10%. Plus how will your children
procreate without other humans. Your family
name dies off with old age or sickness.

best wishes
boon



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir

You truly are a racist aren't you? What in the hell does being white have anything to do with the topic at hand?! Just another nasty bigot like you claim to hate.



A racist or a realist? I am a white male, but I have to admit that 99.99% of the cause of all this unrest is elite white people.

If we are to get along as different races we need to acknowledge reality from racism so we can all understand each other a bit better. Being politically correct is killing the truth.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by OldCorp
There won't be any riots in the country, but there will be other dangers - like me - so yeah, if you're in the city I'd suggest you stay there. If it gets THAT bad, my family and my ability to feed them, comes first.


I understand your analogy,
I am a southern redneck too


But there is strength in numbers.
Joining or creating a colony would be a greater
chance of survival for you AND your family.

It worked for the Pilgrims


And even the cavemen hunted in packs

that is how they survived. Going it alone
just you and ur family, your chances of survival
are prob less than 10%. Plus how will your children
procreate without other humans. Your family
name dies off with old age or sickness.

best wishes
boon


Oh, don't get me wrong Boon; we have our collective together already and have plans to blockade a 30 square mile area in order to protect our farms and homes from the zombie horde fleeing the city. Strength in numbers is a given, and among our number are several Marines and couple of former Rangers. And we are extremely well armed.

Our wells have old-style hand pumps and there is a couple next door to me that earn a living making and selling candles, so we can survive even without electricity if we have to. We have livestock, crops, and wild game in sufficient quantity to ensure our survival. It's not a matter of not wanting to, but we just CAN'T take in a bunch of city folk if we expect to survive. The only thing we lack is the ability to manufacture insulin, which a couple of our folks need, including my wife; but we have sheep and I'm working out how to make it without having to rely on CVS.

There are 4 roads coming into our little town, 8 checkpoints that will have to be manned 24/7 to keep the unprepared from stealing our crops and killing our livestock, and obviously that will require teamwork and a strong sense of community. I'll feel bad turning people away - at gunpoint if necessary - but there really is no other choice if things get so bad that people have to leave the cities.

ETA: If anyone has the knowledge of how I can manufacture insulin at home - sheep or bovine - please hook me up with it. Thanks.

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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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We have the same set up as you but our ranch is 250 miles away in the woods. We have 40 head of cattle, chickens, farmland to plant crops, year round spring, and wild game. We are actully going up there this weekend to plan future constrution on check points and trenches.

I told my father if we are going to do this we need to start a small comunity. our family of 7 is not going to be able to pretect all the cattle from hords of people. so we have been inviting small amount of people up there.

If you ever need help on openning peoples eyes read the book Patriot . its about a group of people preparing and moving to there compound after the colapse



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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If it's type 2 diabetes it's completely reversible. There's a vid on youtube on how to reverse it in 30 days I think.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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Right. Keep dreaming. No amount of hard work or nationalism will defeat money. The world has been ruled by a shadow elite since the time of the Egyptians. It was debt that collapsed the Roman, Spanish, Ottoman and British Empires. Empires are purposely built and destroyed over and over again. The wealth of the West is being used to build the East.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by eldard
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If it's type 2 diabetes it's completely reversible. There's a vid on youtube on how to reverse it in 30 days I think.


Link?



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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I hope every day for a crash like this to happen. Hopefully along the way we can linch a few of those that put us in this possition. I'm not worried one bit. I have guns and fishing gear I'll survive.



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