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Friday, Sep 24 2010 07:25 PM
Farm Labor, America's Uemployed and the Illegal Immigration Myth
Lately, we have been hearing a lot from those who attempt to perpetuate the myth that illegal immigrants are only doing jobs that U.S. citizens won't do. They have been challenging U.S. citizens to apply for the jobs currently held by illegal immigrants in the farming industry. At the same time, they try to create the grossly false impression that illegal immigrants are employed only as farmworkers. It's true that most people don't want a job that is hot, seasonal, nomadic, backbreaking, sometimes dangerous and, most of all, paying "less than desirable wages." Personally, I don't blame anyone, legal or illegal, for not wanting such a job.
Because U.S. citizens don't want to pick fruits and vegetables in the fields has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that illegal immigrants are taking jobs that many of the 15 million currently unemployed U.S. citizens and legal residents need, and would do. So, let's try to set the record straight.
According to the official figures of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are 377,000 people in the farming industry, 233,000 of which are "farmworkers/laborers."
In order to be fair, we don't want to underestimate the number of illegal immigrants working in the farming industry. The Bureau of Labor Statistics might have underestimated the number of people actually working in farming, possibly due to some people working under the table. So, let's say that the number is more than double 377,000, for instance, 800,000. Let's also say that, for the sake of discussion, the entire 800,000 are illegal immigrants.
The Internal Revenue Service states that there were approximately 130 million people working in the United States in 2009. That is slightly more than 40 percent of our population of 300 million.
Official estimates show that there are 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. Most of them came here to work. If, as in the general population, 40 percent of these illegal immigrants are employed, it would mean that 4.8 million of them have jobs, including no more than 800,000 jobs in farming.
Is my math wrong, or does that mean that there are 4 million employed illegal immigrants who are working in jobs outside of farming? Could it be that those jobs exist in almost every area of employment that doesn't require English? For example, jobs in areas such as hotels, motels, restaurants, maintenance, light manufacturing, meatpacking and construction, to name a few.
It's an inescapable fact that U.S. citizens were doing just fine, while they were doing all of these jobs, long before the relatively recent, and massive, surge of illegal immigration.
Like any group of people, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are otherwise law-abiding and hardworking. They are simply trying to provide for themselves and their families. The same can be said about the 15 million unemployed in the United States, most of whom are U.S. citizens and legal residents.
Compassion should be shown to all people having difficulty taking care of their families, no matter who they are, or where they come from. But when that compassion takes the form of jobs and financial assistance, it must be given, first and foremost, to our unemployed fellow U.S. citizens and legal residents who, I suspect, would be willing to take many of those 4 million non-farm jobs in order to help put food on their families' tables.
Originally posted by capod2t
reply to post by Night Star
Misinformed? - shadow me in my job one day. Walk in my shoes. You are just one more tube watcher, newspaper reader who is so far removed from reality, all you can do is pass judgment without any credentials.
Keep armchair quarterbacking like the rest and passing judgment. It's the new american way. 12 years of doing what you have no clue about and I am misinformed? Typical...
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by capod2t
Get into the real world? I live in the real world... I ran my own flooring and tiling business before the recession, I know what I am talking about... I went out of business and lost my house, because I was sitting home while companies that hire illegals stayed afloat. I know all about it, and I am not the only one in that boat from NY/CT by a long shot. In case you didn't know, NY and CT are two of the big illegal hotspots, with illegals haven states.
I am no Tea Partier, but this is a great, if small, ruling for the People against the corporations
Originally posted by capod2t
Without that wall, we will never get ahead. Where's the wall? Never gonna be built. Why? North American Union sign ed by executive order by Bush.
Phoenix, AZ--Governor Brewer has signed SB 1406 into law. SB 1406 allows for the construction and maintenance of a fence along the Arizona-Mexico border.
“For proof that a well-built fence really works, all you need to do is look at the progress in Yuma County ,” says Sen. Smith. In 2006, Yuma built a triple-layered wall, standing 20 feet high and reinforced by cement-filled steel piping, steel mesh, and wire.
My point here is - try to absorb this - so many illegal alien already here and untaxed. They get on the books, making a fair wage, pay into the tax systems, contribute to their health care. This fills positions legally - positions regardless of pay many americans will not do. Job gets done, we have the services we need.