Granted Fresh 1Bil FEMA Denies Tornado Victims Aid & Rolls Out Hurricane Katrina Trailers

We are once again facing a series of natural disasters here in America that have left a path of
death and destruction in their wake.

And while its heartwarming and comforting to see neighbors rise to help neighbors,
communities band together and families holding on, a wave of disconcertment in news story
after story where FEMA is a behemoth sized failure.

FEMA; the Secret Government Agency that has given rise to many a conspiracy theory once
again proves themselves worthy of their label, a million dollar Government Drill Baby that cant
get it right when the real deal disaster hits! Blame it on a bunch of useless red tape, or on the other hand...maybe FEMA is doing what the conspiracy theorists have thought for so long.

And that would be politics of corruption, government secrets and worse.
It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures,
and it has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars.

Granted a fresh Billion in New Funds FEMA is busy saying NO to tornado victims
across the Mid West. online.wsj.com...

20K storm victims denied FEMA aid
www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...

And if that does not have your attention, why have they now started housing tornado victims in the same old contaminated trailers that were involved in Hurricane Katrina!? Horror stoies of mysterious rashes, burning eyes and chronic breathing problems were linked to the formaldehyde trailers.

Years after FEMA moved Hurricane Katrina and Rita victims out of formaldehyde and mold-infested trailers, the very same government-issue dwellings are once again sheltering disaster victims.

Bought at government auctions or from entrepreneurs reselling them, the trailers are appearing in increasing number along the path of the tornadoes that ravaged Alabama and other parts of the South last month. Jacked up on cinderblocks above severed tree limbs and piles of trash, the trailers cut a lean white silhouette eerily familiar to anyone who spent time in the Gulf Coast region in the past five and half years.
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[Size=3]Gov. McDonnell to appeal FEMA's denial of assistance for April tornadoes

Gov. Bob McDonnell announced that he will appeal the May 7 denials by the Federal Emergency Management Agency of disaster assistance for Virginians affected by a series of strong tornadoes during April.

The Governor made three separate requests for FEMA's Individual Assistance program... All three requests were denied. All three will be appealed. smithmountaineagle.com...

So my freinds, I ask you what has FEMA done with all of its funds? And what will they do
with the fresh 1 Billion? Are they going to buy more Disaster Ready Meals?

Meals for the Drills?

FEMA said no to many states who have requested several times this year, here in The United States!

FEMA has said no to 20 thousand tornado victims.

FEMA has rolled out the Hurricane Katrina trailers again!

FEMA - this is not a drill, this is the real deal!

edit on 25-5-2011 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

Oh here we go.
I was just saying to someone today, I hope FEMA is in movement towards relief right now... But they're bringing back illness causing trailers used in Katrina? Well I guess something is better than nothing, but those ought to have been redesigned since Katrina, one would think. Though one would also think they exist to help us, rather than deny aid.

These tornadoes are doing a big number, I am watching a squall line move through US right now and FEMA had better be right behind it with aid if it were needed.

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Maybe it is time to dissolve FEMA?
It is rather a socialist type of program as it is.
People cannot depend on the Federal Government for a handout.
None of us is responsible for the weather after all so why do we have a program at all that even tries to help people?
Shouldn't this be left up to the individual communities?
Shouldn't people who want to donate for these types of causes do so and leave the Federal Government out of it?

If you want something done wrong just get the government involved.
This is NANNY STATE taken to the MAX.

We should get rid of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and other programs like it.
Make government SMALLER.

Let people donate whatever these victims need through the red cross and other volunteer groups.
No need to spend American dollars on an agency like this.
They are corrupt. Lets face it and quit it.

How's that sound?

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Its absolutlely shocking to see them rolling out these Katrina Trailers!

I could not believe this, and to think that every recent disaster has the potential
to be Obamas Katrina. Well I guess it just went from a zinger to a reality!

This thread could also alternitively be titled -

When Disaster Relief Becomes A Disaster In Itself!

This is what always pisses me off anymore. We have tons of money to pump into other countries yet when it comes to the homefront, we get a big middle finger. I say it's time to stand up for our fellow citizens enough is enough.

Originally posted by newcovenant
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Maybe it is time to dissolve FEMA?

Its far past time.

If you want something done wrong just get the government involved.
This is NANNY STATE taken to the MAX.

Yes, absolutely. Too bad FEMA cant be moved to the HOAX section.
Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain.

And they are currently seeking out grain bins, and gps marking them.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Recall Admiral Thad Allen was promoted into Janet Napolitano's office?
So the only qualified person was removed and not replaced?
Sound's like a genuine FUBAR...and while Obama drinks late into the evening with the royals.

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This is heartbreaking but not unexpected. We as Americans unfortunately are on our own, This countrys government absolutely does not want to help anyone unless your a bank etc. They have turned the entire world against us. They claim they have no money which in translation means for you. All the while shoving all of it in black holes they claim that don't exist. They need us but we don't need them because they are constantly not there when they are needed. They want everything we have but we are not suppose to want anything they have taken.

What did Alabama do to piss off Obama?

That is why Texas did not get aid for the wildfires…pissed off the long legged mack daddy.


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Yes, he will arrive next week to the Mid East, at the current time he is busy
impressing the British Press as they are seduced by "Obama's oratory".

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Granite

 

Yes, he will arrive next week to the Mid East, at the current time he is busy
impressing the British Press as the are seduced by Obama's oratory

Now juxtapose the seduction (ala Clinton) with the Royal wedding snub for an invitation to him.
All UK members are free to answer too!

Originally posted by redrose123
reply to post by burntheships

 

This is heartbreaking but not unexpected. We as Americans unfortunately are on our own, This countrys government absolutely does not want to help anyone unless your a bank etc.

You know, you bring up a good point. If we the taxpayers bailed out the banks,
and the banks are holding on to untold houses through forclousure, it seems those
houses should be made available for use by these displaced families!

Oh, I know...red tape red tape. We cant do that!

I'm going to make a real long story short:
April 27th brought a tornado to my small town, we have a Fema disaster center located at our elementary school about a mile and a half from my home. They were here and set up within 4 days providing food and shelter to the victims of the storm. Nobody receives cash, I think that is a common misconception that a lot of people have. What we do receive if anyone decides to take it and many have.. is a " loan of 30,000. dollars with an interest rate of 1% if you do not have home owners insurance. You have to pay the loan back at the end of 30 years and no you arent allowed to pay it back early, you have to pay it all in monthly installments. So nobody that is receiving fema aid is getting a hand out. And trust me, $30,000. isnt very much when you are having to replace everything you own . If a person has home owners insurance they are not qualified for a loan and have to deal with their policy holder. So please dont think that anyone is getting a handout from the government. The only thing that is being handed out is food, clothing, and household necessities that have been donated by stores, churches and local communities.

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I guess enough time has passed between now and Katrina that these guys can get
away with it?

Yeah, the TSA can send out molesters to proms for pat downs, and everyone in need can
sit and wait. And wait and wait, and get the "you did not qualify" letter in the mail.

How much do the scanners cost I wonder? Hey we needed those right I mean how many
domestic terrorists have been flushed out with underwear bombs....right?

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Or maybe its time people actually understand FEMA and how it works.

A disaster occurs, at which poin the Mayor or County Comissioner declares an emergency and asks the state Govenor to declare an emergency. Once the Govenor does this it opens up state resources to be used.

The Govenor then must request the PResident declare a Federal disaster, at which point FEMA will be activated and send reps to the area.

If the President does NOT declare a disaster, FEMA can deny the request for assistance.

If approved, FEMA is subservient to local authorities and State Emergency Management. FEMA's role is to assist the local effort, not spearhead it.

I get the point you hate FEMA. What I dont get is your refusal to learn how FEMA works. You make accusations that are based on a lack of understanding of how it works. This has been pointed out to you in other threads, yet you contuine to ignore those responses and continue to push your view, which is based on ignorance.

If your going to take FEMA to task, then maybe you should extend the courtesy of actually knowing how they work and operate first.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
I get the point you hate FEMA.

Lets get a few things straight.

First, as you and I have discussed before, dissent is not hate. Are we clear on that yet?

Second, let us all understand how FEMA works. At its core we find rampant corruption.

Study finds link between political corruption and FEMA money

Where natural disasters strike, political corruption is soon to follow, say the authors of a study in the Journal of Law and Economics. But it's not the wind and rain that turns good folks bad; it's the money that floods in afterwards from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"We find each $100 of FEMA-provided disaster relief increases the average state's corruption by nearly 102 percent," write Peter Leeson (George Mason) and Russell Sobel (West Virginia U.). "Our findings suggest that notoriously corrupt regions of the United States, such as the Gulf Coast, are in part notoriously corrupt because natural disasters frequently strike them. They attract more disaster relief, which makes them more corrupt."

Leeson and Sobel base their conclusions on a statistical model that measured the relationship between FEMA allocations and corruption in each U.S. state. The researchers quantified corruption as the number of per capita convictions of public officials for crimes such as embezzlement, accepting bribes or kickbacks, extortion and unlawful dealings with private vendors or contractors. Hurricane-prone states like Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana, which receive large amounts of FEMA money, tend to have more corruption convictions per capita. States like Nebraska and Colorado, which receive almost no FEMA dollars, have least corruption. www.eurekalert.org...

Thirdly please set us straight on the directives of using rejected KATRINA contaminated
trailers to house 2011 Tornado victims.

And in fact, study after study finds rampant corruption at the core of FEMA funds distribution.

Investigations by Florida's Sun-Sentinel Reporters reveal Republican Miami-Dade
County, which suffered little or no hurricane damage, received the bulk of the aid, while
Broward County, a Democratic stronghold received little. Here are over 45 stories revealing a
trail of stunning corruption and mismanagement:

FEMA gave $21 million in Miami-Dade, where storms were 'like a severe thunderstorm'
The four hurricanes that pummeled the rest of Florida hardly brushed Miami-Dade County. Only Hurricane Frances was a factor there -- packing the punch of a bad thunderstorm.

Probe sought into questionable aid to Miami-Dade 'hurricane victims'
Three Florida members of Congress on Monday called for investigations into how the federal government awards disaster aid and why at least 9,800 Miami-Dade applicants have received more than $21 million in Hurricane Frances assistance even though the storm inflicted little damage in the county. www.yuricareport.com...

and again.. learn how FEMA works before taking them to task.

Dissent implies and understanding how something works, which you cleary dont.
Dissent is an effort to disagree while making attempt to improve thigns, which you clearly are not doing.

You hate FEMA and what they do, plain and simple, and it does not matter how you try to obfuscate that conclusion, it is the correct conclusion. This is even more evident in how you cherry pick a few incidents and assume it permeates FEMA from top to bottom. Its evident by your lack of willingness to understand how FEMA operates. Its evident by your continued use of the torando issue, while completely ignoring the fact the PResident did NOT declare a disaster for the countries who were denied assistance. Its evident by your continued argument for assistance, while ignoring criteria.

You lay blame about mold in trailers while again, ignoring the fact that FEMA is a support agency, and not a spearhead. Katrina was a disaster because the Govenor and Mayor could not lead, plain and simple. They wanted someone else to amke the hard decisions, and by that time it was to late. When the FEDs offered suggestions, Govenor Blanco and Mayor Nagin disregarded the suggestions, as is their right to do so. It does not absolve the locals of their failure to lead, nor does it add any credibility to those who want to blame FEMA for something they are not in control of.

If people werent so damned dependant on the Government, it probbbaly would have been a completely different story.

FEMA is there to interface with State Emergency Management, not run it. FEMA is there to provide the items / supplies being requested and to get them in the area. Its up to the State to go from there.

This is not a hard concept to understand... which is why your continued failed argument is even more perplexing. You continue to ignoe facts while pushing opinion passed as facts.

As before, learn how it works before you criticise the agency. Make sure you are using actual facts and not your opinion before making accusations.

Your argument might be a bit more beleivable if you did.

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You know if your going to use your opinions as a source, I see that as ignorance.
You have nothing to back up your claims aside from your vitrol and angst.

"Only On The Web:" Charles Gibson, a former FEMA employee, explains to Armen Keteyian the corruption he witnessed first-hand while employed at FEMA's office in New Orleans.

Fema Corruption- Double Billing in the Millions

CBS NEWS

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The Economics & Politics of FEMA - Why FEMA Failed After Hurricane Katrina


by Russell S. Sobel
James Clark Coffman Distinguished Chair & Professor of Economics
West Virginia University

One of my research interests is the economic analysis of FEMA. In particular I focus on how political pressures and favoritism play a large role in government disaster relief efforts and funding, and also on how disaster relief might better be handled by the private sector. I published a paper with Tom Garrett, one of my Ph.D. students here at West Virginia University on this topic (see below). Tom is now at the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank. Because of FEMA's failure in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, our research has become quite heavily cited in the media, and in new academic studies on FEMA. More recently, I have done several new research papers with my fellow WVU colleague Peter T. Leeson. This page below contains information about my research on FEMA and the media coverage we have received. www.be.wvu.edu...

FEMA's "Toxic Bureaucracy"

FEMA's been under fire from critics who claim the Gulf Coast recovery is moving too slowly. Now FEMA officials said they're investigating allegations of serious misconduct at the New Orleans office. CBS News has learned workers there accuse their bosses of intentionally holding up Katrina aid.

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