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It is not the mission of Masonry to engage in plots and conspiracies against the civil government. It is not the fanatical propagandist of any creed or theory; nor does it proclaim itself the enemy of kings. It is the apostle of liberty, equality, and fraternity; but it is no more the high-priest of republicanism than of constitutional monarchy. -A.P. (Morals and Dogmas of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry)
Masonry teaches that all power is delegated for the good, and not for the injury of the People; and that, when it is perverted from the original purpose, the compact is broken, and the right ought to be resumed; that resistance to power usurped is not merely a duty which man owes to himself and to his neighbor, but a duty which he owes to his God, in asserting and maintaining the rank which He gave him in the creation. - A.P. (Morals and Dogmas of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry)
A Freemason, therefore, should be a man of honor and of conscience, preferring his duty to everything beside, even to his life; independent in his opinions, and of good morals, submissive to the laws, devoted to humanity, to his country, to his family; kind and indulgent to his brethren, friend of all virtuous men, and ready to assist his fellows by all means in his power. - A.P. (Morals and Dogmas of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry)
Originally posted by indigothefish
Since the pharoahs, and possibly before that in sumer, we see the architecture, religion, government and the symbolism of art of the Masons in society.
They were around in ancient Egypt, Rome, England in the dark ages, the formation of America etc. everywhere in between and up until now also.
The illuminati are said, among theories, to be a secret society sometime around the creation of america and it is said the founding fathers ( or enough of them ) of america indeed were part of this secret society, using it to go unheard in their plans to create a new nation.
We all know that our founding fathers also were largely masonic.
this is important. i introduce the thought to you, the reader, that the masons are behind most every secret society with an impact on humanity on this planet. and behind all these names, skull and bones, illuminati, golden dawn.. etc. there is always a mason. scratch that - probably more than one, enough to influence the whole order or perhaps even BE the whole order.
If the mason name was behind every conspiracy they had connections to, can you imagine how easy it would be to get even the most dumbed down population suspicious?
Originally posted by mrlondon
reply to post by indigothefish
The fact that masonism comes from middle age stone masons building cathedrals in Europe renders your argument slightly mute.
Gradually, yes, but not at first.
Originally posted by pepsi78
gradually it became something else.
Sure they did. Just not stuff that you would consider occult today. But back then their knowledge of geometry was certainly occult. From the earliest meaning of the word "occult" in the Oxford English Dictionary...
none of the stone masons practiced the occult
The methods of the stonemasons to raise perpendiculars, square their work, or lay horizontals was a fiercely protected trade secret, only passed from master to apprentice.
Not disclosed or divulged, secret; kept secret; communicated only to the initiated.
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
The Illuminati considered the Rosicrucians enemies. They considered Freemasons more like kindred spirits.
Originally posted by indigothefish
Think about this.
Since the pharoahs, and possibly before that in sumer, we see the architecture, religion, government and the symbolism of art of the Masons in society. Their presence and existence alone is undeniable in this way throughout our history. They were around in ancient Egypt, Rome, England in the dark ages, the formation of America etc. everywhere in between and up until now also.
I pose the thought that all secret societies are only created for a short period of time by the masons to be used for a purpose and then to be spread as conspiracy. The whole point being that the masons themselves get no blame for whatever this secret society's goal was.
Take the illuminati for example. I am not an expert on them exactly, however my concern is with the masons. The illuminati are said, among theories, to be a secret society sometime around the creation of america and it is said the founding fathers ( or enough of them ) of america indeed were part of this secret society, using it to go unheard in their plans to create a new nation.
We all know that our founding fathers also were largely masonic. The mix here is an example of the fact that they already were masons, already part of a secret society. they already could conspire behind closed doors, the reason for the illuminati's conception was mainly so that when people hear conspiracies of the founding of america it is linked to that group - the illuminati, not the masons.
this is important. i introduce the thought to you, the reader, that the masons are behind most every secret society with an impact on humanity on this planet. and behind all these names, skull and bones, illuminati, golden dawn.. etc. there is always a mason. scratch that - probably more than one, enough to influence the whole order or perhaps even BE the whole order.
If the mason name was behind every conspiracy they had connections to, can you imagine how easy it would be to get even the most dumbed down population suspicious?
just a thought, for the reader you can look into it if you're interested or think it's valuable
if you want to read into some
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Freemasonry certainly had an important part to play in the formation of many secret societies, but I'm wondering if you undervalue what contribution or influence Rosicrucianism might have had not only on the creation of other secret societies but of Freemasonry itself.
The Illuminati considered the Rosicrucians enemies.