Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by consigliere
The lessor of two evils,,,if applicable of course(disclaimer)

edit on 25-5-2011 by consigliere because: (no reason given)

That is the reason I voted for McCain in 2008. I now know that it doesn't matter who I vote for, whomever is supposed to win will win. So for 2012, I will vote for whoever actually best represents my values, despite however a long shot they may be.

I doesn't really matter anyway.

I fear this is too true. I know the polls said Obama won, but I can't help wondering if it was all rigged. Especially with the reports of votes changing in full view of voters.

/TOA

For me it's not about Obama. In any election we have very limited choice Republican, Democrat, or a useless vote. I don't expect the country to change over night. But, a successful politician (by successful I mean one who gets elected) will move the debate in their direction and encourage similar people and people more extreme in the same ideological direction. That may, over time, change the country.

For me it's about the general direction of the country. From the things the Republicans have been calling for they seem to want to move us to more corporate control or toward Fascism. That seems insane to me. I can't think of any former boss who I would want in control of the direction of society. Sure there may be good at making money but there is more to life. Especially since most of the money ends up in their pocket.

I would prefer someone more Liberal/Progressive but if my choice is Obama I will vote for him over any Republicans I see out there now.

The American people he no say in who is president. Voting these days is a JOKE! Obama will be president 2012. No doubt about it!

I'll tell you I'm NOT voting for the socialist, how about that?
He's a one shot wonder

Well there you go....another good reason I will vote for the all supreme leader this election.

I can see no reason not to vote Obama 2012 and anyone who doesn't is just asking for change...everything is just fine the way it is.

I dont vote, becasue in my teens, learning how things really work growing up, i leaned politics is all theivery scandal lies. learned that all on my own, watching george bush sr. on tv, bill clinton...ect ect. at least to me the last real good president we had in my lifetime, was ronald reagan..to a lesser or greater degree... at least people had jobs in the 80's, people were more or less happy, had social progams, new technologys were always coming out, things were still american made, you neve heard of the new world order on news or some presidents mouth, houses cars property were cheaper and more luxeruous, thier was no police brutality on a heavery scale like it is today..things like that. reagan would come out, with his innocent freindly face and smile, and everyone liked that. bush srt came out with a straight plaid non expressive face and often mentioned new world order..reagen did NOT like bush* learned that from a documentary. he knew something i think. bill smiled but made it plainfully obvious he just sat smoked ciggars.
anyhoo...i had been thinking of voting* and for what we have it would be ron paul* i had high hopes for obama too..and feel he is no real different than the rest now who were in office...giving hundreds of millions of tax m oney to Israel, u dont hear of change anymore, you did BEFORE he was elected, which was a rigged voting computer anyways...that concerns me. under bush jr..2008 corporations got ever so greedy, and layd off god knows how many, proving college was a waist of time and money for them, or technical schools. obama struck me as the type who would have put a stop on the corporate machine doing its thing, mowing jobs left n right...he didnt.
One thing i do agree with obama on, was when he wanted top put a cap on corporate salarys, and in government. well not 100% but it did seem justifiable to me. but under capitalism and the belief you can make as much money as you want, working for it, would bunt heads with that idea. you cannot tell someone how much they can make or not make. the difference though, jobs were cut so CEO's could make an extra $10 million one man* hings like that..so i belive. thats when its plainfully obvious whats going on..ide have put a cap on it somehow legaly. so people who wrok hard keep thier jobs*
obama is too soft. how difficult is it to fix a messed up capitalist system? i mean, change was said* if it take 8-10 years ..thats crazy and impracticle thinking. change for anything or anyone means NOW not tomorrow...time waits for no one,a nd actions speak louder than words. we know most liekly, every new president is going to be another came out of the cracker jax box deal, and say one thing.do something different* we dont have bright minds or heros to come save the day anymore in this country...we have bright minds..but thier all workiing for wall street, or ome corporate company, conjuring up legal mumbo jumbo to screw us outa our homes and taxes. not very advance screwing others around you over is it* rather ape n primitive, midevil like. well thast my view of most future preisdents..

Only if the Republicans run Palin will I vote for the nincompoop. Otherwise it's 3rd Party for me (unless by some miracle, Ron Paul gets the nomination)

I didn't vote for Obama in '08, his senate voting record was WAY too liberal for my tastes. But I was curious to see what direction our country would head in with him as president, I actually did become optimistic that he might be able to make a difference. But his presidency has proven one thing beyond the shadow of a doubt- a vote for either a Republican or Democrat as president is a vote for the status quo. It doesn't matter whether you take the blue or red pill here, both send us to the same place. My conclusion is one of two things are at work:

1. Obama really did believe he could accomplish the goals he laid out in his campaign, but once in office he quickly discovered how little power he really has to do such things, and instead has had to pander to the desires of others.

2. He is a shill for a secret organization that is REALLY controlling things, Bilderbergers or whoever, and his platform was a game of smoke and mirrors to mask a master plan that is being implemented but is not yet apparent.

I lean towards option 1, but I haven't ruled 2 out as a possibility.

I'll vote for Obama again because he's done most of the things he promised to do while managing the largest financial crisis in almost 80 years. In just two years, the S&P 500 has climbed from under 700 points to over 1300 points - that's a clean double of the net value of the country's major corporations and subsequently, all the shareholders wealth (private and public pension funds, county and state investment funds that had been wiped out during the Bush administration).

He pulled all the combat troops out of Iraq, he revived the collapsed auto industry (saving up to 2 million jobs), he passed health care reform (an election promise that won him a 10 million vote majority), he managed to get Bin Laden (who wasn't in either country that Bush invaded), and he even cut taxes (twice).

If any of that comes as a surprise, chances are high that you are a:

a.) Fox News viewer.
b.) Tea Partier
c.) Birther.
d.) All of the above.

There is no choice between two evils; 3rd party is the ONLY WAY to vote at this time in America, and I don't mean the religious-rights "official" Tea Party.

Ron Paul staying "Republican" on principal is admirable but he'll never get the go ahead from the NeoConservative party. If he did, my opinion of Paul would change immediately; NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY who works for the established two-party system has America's interests at heart. Ron Paul is weakened as a candidate by remaining in a party that no longer nor will ever again share his beliefs.

If the Republican leadership saw fit to pit Paul against Obama, something would undoubtedly be afoot.

Well I know it is shallow but.... My girl friend voted for Obama because he was better looking then McCain. Yes, that is a scary thought that someone would vote that way but that is how serious some people see voting. So I guess if it comes down between R. Paul vs. Obama- she will vote for The O again.