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Originally posted by boniknik
reply to post by Amaterasu
Mostly military - an unneeded thing that makes war suppliers billions. If We stopped spending money on war, We could feed, clothe and house everyOne on this planet easily and abundantly.
You probably thought I disagree with you, I don't. I actually totally agree with you, we should stop spending money on war and appropriate the funds for social services. I was only trying to explain that Socialism has nothing to do with what the OP was saying. As Socialism is just basically a system of "collective ownership", just like a "cooperative", and any country that collects taxes is a socialist country.
Your taxes does not just pay for your military, it also pays for other government services/programs, such as, firefighters, cops, public schools, roads, bridges, etc. There is nothing wrong with Socialism, but yes there is something wrong with the way we appropriate the funds.
YES it sucks that we are facing a dilemma whether we should have our kids vaccinated or not because WE CAN NOT even trust the people(Big Pharma) that says they are safe, and because of that I understand if any parents will refuse vaccinations for their kids.
But then again, the government also has to ensure that the right of any person to live is protected, a parent cannot decide that for their children.
There are those parents that refuse to even bring their children to the doctor when their child is already dying. But where do we draw the line, when is it necessary for the government to intervene? This is our dilemma.
English is not my native tongue, hope what I said even made sense.
Originally posted by Liquesence
reply to post by Amaterasu
I am not ignorant, i am simply rational. There is no conclusive data on the harm of some vaccines, because data and studies can be organized and interpreted in a way to suit which side of the argument one prefers. Fact. Which is why studies are peer-reviewed and then overwhelmingly accepted into--or rejected from--scientific communities.
I know about the dangers of mercury, and even though mercury is toxic, the data as it related to vaccines is inconclusive. Period. You can believe whatever you want to believe, as people often believe some strange--untrue--things, and if you want to "contend" that hygiene and diet contributed to the wan of polio and smallpox and NOT the vaccines, well, i am not even going argue with such a contention.
I did not even bring up mercury into my posts, because that is not the point. Again i say, there is NO conclusive data about the dangers of vaccines, even if i DO think some are unnecessary as i mentioned in my previous posts. So perhaps you should read and think about what i have previously said, instead of jumping on the "all vaccines are bad, have you read this thread" boat, with the "mercury is toxic, vaccines contain mercury they must therefore be bad" logic. Do you eat ocean fish? Drink tap water that you have not personally filtered? Eat beef? Plenty of substances and heavy metals show up there, as well.
It is not ME that is lumping all vaccines into the same category, it is you, by implying that ALL are bad just because *some* might contain mercury, or that all are unnecessary just because some aren't. That's faulty logic, and has no basis in a rational argument.
I am simply trying to bring reason into the vaccine paranoia--the paranoia that says ALL vaccines are bad, which you seem to contend and imply--when the data are there, as it relates to effectiveness with some vaccines. You think that all of a sudden after the polio vaccine was given and it had, depending on the type of vaccine/polio, an 80 to 90+ percent effectiveness at reducing or stopping the spread and thereby essentially eradicating it? You think all those people the world over *suddenly* changed their diet and hygiene and THAT is the reason??
this case it's not about "what we are told" it's about the data, unless you think that is manipulated too, to "make us believe" that they are effective when they aren't. It's all a big conspiracy.
C'mon, Get real.
And i will say it again, i am NOT for ALL vaccines, as i stated in my previous posts. Until they are proved overwhelmingly beneficial (like POLIO, SMALLPOX)... And i do not see how hygiene or diet can stop ALL diseases, that's just being naive...
Believe what you want, though.
Women who reported not taking prenatal vitamins immediately before and during a pregnancy were twice as likley to have a child with autism, UC Davis researchers reported Wednesday. If the women also had a mutation in a high-risk gene, they were seven times as likely to have a child with the developmental disorder, the researchers reported in the online edition of the journal Epidemiology. The study is scheduled to appear in print in July.