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reply posted on 26-5-2011 @ 06:49 PM by violence=answer

reply to post by westcoast

gregoire has been screwin us hard for a minute now.
washington is so liberal, especially king and pierce county, that stuff is all ass backwards, and the cops, government, really anyone in authority in the system out here can and does get away with just about anything and everything.

reply posted on 26-5-2011 @ 08:06 PM by Miraj

reply to post by Zarxx

There's no proven link between autism and vaccinations..
Of course. Who needs real evidence.

reply posted on 26-5-2011 @ 08:34 PM by Amaterasu

Originally posted by boniknik
reply to post by Amaterasu

Mostly military - an unneeded thing that makes war suppliers billions. If We stopped spending money on war, We could feed, clothe and house everyOne on this planet easily and abundantly.

You probably thought I disagree with you, I don't. I actually totally agree with you, we should stop spending money on war and appropriate the funds for social services. I was only trying to explain that Socialism has nothing to do with what the OP was saying. As Socialism is just basically a system of "collective ownership", just like a "cooperative", and any country that collects taxes is a socialist country.

Awesome. [smile]

Your taxes does not just pay for your military, it also pays for other government services/programs, such as, firefighters, cops, public schools, roads, bridges, etc. There is nothing wrong with Socialism, but yes there is something wrong with the way we appropriate the funds.

And I agree with you. [smile]

YES it sucks that we are facing a dilemma whether we should have our kids vaccinated or not because WE CAN NOT even trust the people(Big Pharma) that says they are safe, and because of that I understand if any parents will refuse vaccinations for their kids.

Well, the stuff is ghastly. Again I offer a link for review: www.abovetopsecret.com...

But then again, the government also has to ensure that the right of any person to live is protected, a parent cannot decide that for their children.

The Government is NOT required to "protect" a person by mandating action, profitable to corporations, of injecting dubious stuff (a VERY unnatural act!) into the veins of Our Children. They may promote doing so. They may make the option freely available. But it is the PARENT's right to choose otherwise for Their Child.

And besides, there's more evidence that disease dropped because of better hygiene and diet than any jab.

There are those parents that refuse to even bring their children to the doctor when their child is already dying. But where do we draw the line, when is it necessary for the government to intervene? This is our dilemma.

There may be a very few religious individuals who will not treat Their Children - but They are very few. To mandate injection of formaldehyde, antifreeze, aluminum, and many other toxic and unnatural ingredients into the flesh of Our Children is just wrong.

English is not my native tongue, hope what I said even made sense.

Indeed You did! [smile] Quite well worded, in fact.

reply posted on 27-5-2011 @ 05:55 AM by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Liquesence
reply to post by Amaterasu

I am not ignorant, i am simply rational. There is no conclusive data on the harm of some vaccines, because data and studies can be organized and interpreted in a way to suit which side of the argument one prefers. Fact. Which is why studies are peer-reviewed and then overwhelmingly accepted into--or rejected from--scientific communities.

And virtually every study touting the "benefits" of vaccination was done by the people selling the vaccines... All to get FDA approval. No "peer review," really.

I know about the dangers of mercury, and even though mercury is toxic, the data as it related to vaccines is inconclusive. Period. You can believe whatever you want to believe, as people often believe some strange--untrue--things, and if you want to "contend" that hygiene and diet contributed to the wan of polio and smallpox and NOT the vaccines, well, i am not even going argue with such a contention.

So though some studies show great issue, and others don't (follow the money trail on THOSE studies), We should be OK with mandating injecting it into Our Children's flesh? Gee, maybe if We wish hard enough, any bad studies will go away? Let's make it mandatory to gamble with the heath and well-being of Our Children?

I did not even bring up mercury into my posts, because that is not the point. Again i say, there is NO conclusive data about the dangers of vaccines, even if i DO think some are unnecessary as i mentioned in my previous posts. So perhaps you should read and think about what i have previously said, instead of jumping on the "all vaccines are bad, have you read this thread" boat, with the "mercury is toxic, vaccines contain mercury they must therefore be bad" logic. Do you eat ocean fish? Drink tap water that you have not personally filtered? Eat beef? Plenty of substances and heavy metals show up there, as well.

I eat fish about every six months, I live in a town with no fluoride and lots of springs - and still filter My water - and eat no beef or pork. I say that there is ENOUGH information to be concerned. And many of the issues from vaccines are cropping up years after the fact. I suspect My rheumatological condition was caused by vaccinations...

If things are not conclusive re injecting foreign substances into the blood stream - WHY would We choose to assume it's OK until proven bad? FAR more logical to make the presumption that safety is in question and to stop until further study can be completed. NOT MANDATE the jab.

It is not ME that is lumping all vaccines into the same category, it is you, by implying that ALL are bad just because *some* might contain mercury, or that all are unnecessary just because some aren't. That's faulty logic, and has no basis in a rational argument.

It's not just mercury:

Formaldehyde
Mercury
Antifreeze
Aluminium
2-Phenoxyethanol
Phenol
Methanol
Borax
Glutaraldehyde
MSG
Sulfate and phosphate compounds
Polymyxin B
Polysorbate 20 / 80
Sorbitol
Polyribosylribitol
Beta-Propiolactone
Amphotericin B
Animal organ tissue and blood
Aborted human fetal tissue and human albumin
Large foreign proteins

This is not an exhaustive list. It is, however, a list with disturbing toxic and/or allergenic properties.

Do we really want these injected into our children?

I am simply trying to bring reason into the vaccine paranoia--the paranoia that says ALL vaccines are bad, which you seem to contend and imply--when the data are there, as it relates to effectiveness with some vaccines. You think that all of a sudden after the polio vaccine was given and it had, depending on the type of vaccine/polio, an 80 to 90+ percent effectiveness at reducing or stopping the spread and thereby essentially eradicating it? You think all those people the world over *suddenly* changed their diet and hygiene and THAT is the reason??

YouTube Link

this case it's not about "what we are told" it's about the data, unless you think that is manipulated too, to "make us believe" that they are effective when they aren't. It's all a big conspiracy.

Which data are We reviewing? See vid above. Yes, it IS a big conspiracy.

C'mon, Get real.

I am quite real. There is little evidence that vaccines do anything more than overstress One's system.

And i will say it again, i am NOT for ALL vaccines, as i stated in my previous posts. Until they are proved overwhelmingly beneficial (like POLIO, SMALLPOX)... And i do not see how hygiene or diet can stop ALL diseases, that's just being naive...

It would seem there is scant evidence, even for your polio and smallpox chemical soup, that "vaccinations" do much at all...

Believe what you want, though.

Heh. Same for you, as well. [smile]

reply posted on 27-5-2011 @ 07:54 AM by Griffo

reply to post by Zarxx

You have to remember though, correlation does not equal causation. Just because your son had a few vaccines then developed autism, does not mean that it was caused by vaccines. There are other factors that are thought to be behind autism. I've made a couple of threads on the topic of autism in the past few months, so if you're interested in having a look:

Protein Found In Brain Cells May Be Key To Autism

Autism changes molecular structure of the brain, study finds

Also, here is a link that talks about how autism may be affected by hormones

Male sex hormone testosterone 'interferes with empathy'

reply posted on 27-5-2011 @ 07:54 AM by Greylore

I have to chime in on this thread. I gave my daughter (now 10) the basic vaccinations up until she was about 4 years old... I found that after every vaccination, she would bruise for days, be sick, and for some reason .. be just a bit dumber for at least a month after having them. ( I am Australian btw) I started researching and found many articles and studies on the adverse effects of vaccinations. After doing a significant amount of research from many different sources (this was years ago) i decided that I would no longer vaccinate my child. The main thing I found out (then) was that safety standards were not upheld in a lot of the places that mass produced the vaccinations so a lot of contaminent got into them. I saw the effects it had on my child, and didn't want that to happen every time. I have given her one vaccination since she was 3-4, thats it. I don't regret getting the basic vaccinations, but if I had known then, I would have also done it differently (though at the time, Australia didn't require as many vaccinations, it requires more now). I wouldn't have given her all of them, just some of them. I do home school (for now) but my daughter rarely goes to the doctor, is rarely sick, is is healthy, strong (very tall) and fit. We eat a healthy diet (with the occasional treat) and I limit processed foods as much as possible. I made informed choices. If I was to send her to school, they would have asked for her vaccination records and either made me get the vaccinations or get the exemption. I chose to not send her and school her myself following the local curriculum.
The other reason i chose to not send her to school, is that they give other vaccinations as they get older, and I would have had to exempt her from them all. The main one (right now) I have an issue with is the cervical cancer vaccination, that stuff is scary. It only prevents one or two types of the cancer (maybe) and the side effects and long term effects are.. even scarier. Girls Have to have this now.. and I think its completely unnecessary.
Source
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( I just googled these quick to provide some backup for what i'm saying, I could throw in more, but you get the idea, its easy to find information.)

Those are just a couple of places you can find information on it. If I wanted to, I could find info on almost every vaccination and side effects/issues. I know the companies themselves have to admit certain side effects. I know they are small, but they effect us, our bodies. I agree with others saying that hygiene and diet and heck, the modern sewerage system has changed a lot about disease, but quite frankly, the way they made vaccines when it first started 100 ish years ago, and the way they make them now are Very different. Things have changed and they just aren't as safe as they used to be.

Make yourself aware, do the research and make an informed decision. Not all are bad, but many are wrong, unnecessary and end up doing more long term harm than good... My two cents

reply posted on 27-5-2011 @ 08:17 AM by mr-lizard

reply to post by westcoast

Do you even know what socialism is?

A signature from your Doctor is not socialism.

reply posted on 28-5-2011 @ 05:29 PM by Griffo

I've just come across this as well, it's too late to edit my previous post though

Women who reported not taking prenatal vitamins immediately before and during a pregnancy were twice as likley to have a child with autism, UC Davis researchers reported Wednesday. If the women also had a mutation in a high-risk gene, they were seven times as likely to have a child with the developmental disorder, the researchers reported in the online edition of the journal Epidemiology. The study is scheduled to appear in print in July.

Prenatal vitamins reduce the risk of autism by half, even more for some higher-risk cases

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