Happening NOW: Rand Paul has been holding the Senate floor to keep them from passing the Patriot Act

Beautiful!
people are starting to wake up.
See this Link
they are just starting to get the courage up.

reply to post by MidnightTide

Rand Paul should be running for president, not Ron.

No RON Paul should run THIS term and allow Rand the seasoning he needs to run in four to eight years from now (Please, Please let us have two Ron Paul terms)

With 16 years and some decent people in the Senate and Congress we just might save this country.

Other wise this is the plan.

It is really very simple now that Clinton's ratification of WTO exported our jobs and Obama has place the same people who spearheaded WTO, NAFTA and the entry of China into the WTO under Clinton, in charge of the economic "Recovery" of the U.S.

Could Bernanke Spark a Run on the Dollar?


The only real fix is to lower the cost of U.S. workers relative to foreign rivals....

In other words, the Fed is planning to give every working man and woman in the US a big pay-cut so they can go nose-to-nose with foreign labor....

The government will continue to run a large budget deficit, which must be financed by issuing more government debt. The debt is monetized when the Federal Reserve purchases it from the public. The effect is to increase the money supply. Inflationary monetary policy goes hand-in-hand with a falling dollar in foreign-exchange markets.” (“The Wrong Way to Double Exports”, Judy Shelton, Wall Street Journal)So, while working people and pensioners see their savings sliced in half to accommodate the globalist dream of an evenly-depressed world labor market; the investor class will get regular injections of Fed liquidity via QE2 to keep stocks “bubbly” and profits high.....

www.economicnoise.com...

History shows that this has been the plan for a long time, but the elite have no intention of taking the same pay cuts the rest of us do.

In 1976 A typical American CEO earned 36 times as much as the average worker. By 2008 the average CEO pay increased to 369 times that of the average worker.... timelines.ws...

If "The Elite" were with us,they would be subscribing to the obamacare crap....but they excused themselves and their buddies....the "plan" has always been to break the Middle Class and thus Americas pride and independence...and its well on its way

reply to post by Homedawg

Good job Rand...but I thought dim/libs were AGAINST the Patroit Act and castigated Repubs for passing it?So,why now,al of a sudden,the dim/libs are going to vote for renewal?

Because they are all on the same side and not on ours.

Rasmussen has defined a really fantastic concept for its poll interpretations: the Political Class. ... the Political Class is that small group of elites and its ardent supporters, the ones who try to brand themselves as populists but are in fact concerned primarily with the goodness of their own power and authority....

Rasmussen defines the category based on a three-question poll:

1. Generally speaking, when it comes to important national issues, whose judgment do you trust more – the American people or America’s political leaders?

2. Some people believe that the federal government has become a special interest group that looks out primarily for its own interests. Has the federal government become a special interest group?

3. Do government and big business often work together in ways that hurt consumers and investors?

The idea is that each one has three acceptable answers (the populist answer, the elitist answer, and “I don’t know”), and your category is assigned based on your responses. So if you give the elitist answer to 2 questions and I don’t know to a third, or the elitist answer to all three, you’re in the Political Class. Similarly for the Populist Mainstream.... dingodonkey.wordpress.com...

Now that you know who is what look at the results of the Rasmussen polls:

67% of Political Class Say U.S. Heading in Right Direction, 84% of Mainstream Disagrees

64% Say Americans Are Overtaxed, Political Class Disagrees

Voters See Cutting Spending and Deficits as Good for the Economy, Political Class Disagrees

And this is the poll I really love:

23% Say U.S. Government Has the Consent of the Governed

Tea Party at Year's End

Wednesday, December 22, 2010

.... Forty-one percent (41%) believe the Tea Party movement will be stronger in 2012 than it was in 2010.

At year's end, 21% of voters nationwide consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement. Another 11% have close friends or family members who are involved....

The Tea Party is part of a larger group that is frustrated with the political status quo. That larger group, identified as Mainstream voters, includes a solid majority of Americans. Mainstream voters tend to trust the wisdom of the American people more than the ideologies of politicians. Among the larger group of Mainstream voters, 25% consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement. Another 11% have friends or family members in the movement....

n a book released earlier this year, Scott Rasmussen observed that "the gap between Americans who want to govern themselves and politicians who want to rule over them may be as big today as the gap between the colonies and England during the 18th century." He added that “the American people don’t want to be governed from the left, the right, or the center. They want to govern themselves.”

Despite the banker owned Media's attempt to sideline the Tea Party, it looks like it is going to continue being a big player in politics. A real wild card the bankers were not counting on.

Am I a member of the Tea Party? No. I do not support some of their more "Conservative" positions but given the choice of the Global Elite agenda backed by the Republicans and the Democrats, they are the only other decent choice. I guess that makes me a Mainstream Voter

reply to post by ShogunAssassins

Rand Paul goes against everything he "supports" and is full of double talk and back stepping..

This situation is nothing but a way to go into gun rights, nothing more nothing less.. To act like he is a savior for it is silly and would only happen in a place like this where you have alot of right leaning extreamists. Thats why Ron and Rand are not nearly as popular out in the real world as they are here.. In the real world, people are a bit more sane then you all.

Hmmm. Instead of spouting accusations and ad hominems, how about we hear some policy arguments and citations of what you claim?

As far as real-world sanity, they were definitely sane enough to let themselves be led into Iraq through blind fear and ignorance as well as a multitude of other lunacies foisted on them by politicians actually pushing such - which I don't see with the Pauls (feel free to rebut) - and a media more than happy to go along with willful deception and partisanship.

Sometimes discreation is the better part of valor....maybe rand and ron dont want to be too extreme and get killed beofe they can do some good...and maynard james is a rolling weirdo

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Sometimes discreation is the better part of valor....maybe rand and ron dont want to be too extreme and get killed beofe they can do some good..

Ron Paul has been on the political scene for a long time. I am sure he knows the ropes by now.

reply to post by crimvelvet
My point excatly...hes trying to tone it down

No one can be trusted (politicians) , the whole system is corrupt , Obama promised much as well, my take is whoevers voted in , will bend over like everyone since JFK died , We have been watching events unfold before our eyes , it gets worse and worse , will we be decieved again by the Pauls?

Originally posted by StaceyWilson
No one can be trusted (politicians) , the whole system is corrupt , Obama promised much as well, my take is whoevers voted in , will bend over like everyone since JFK died , We have been watching events unfold before our eyes , it gets worse and worse , will we be decieved again by the Pauls?

Really? In a thread about the very politician standing alone in the senate to filibuster the Patriot Act?

And his father with the greatest and most consistent voting record in accordance to the Constitution?

I really commend what Rand Paul is doing, regardless of what agendas people are throwing towards his move. I don't support him, don't like him personally for many reasons but that's another thread, by the least he's making a stand and a point, something Obama fails to do clearly. I would be fully supporting your OP if you didn't decide to push your political agenda behind it, unfortantely like most members here you did:

Originally posted by Pha3drus
FACT : Only 5 Democrats voted against the Patriot Act

So now all of sudden Republicans don't exist in congress, it's just Rand Paul and the Democrats right?

The Democrats who voted to block the Patriot Act extension were Sens. Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana as well as Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska, Jeff Merkley of Oregon. The Republicans who voted with them were Sens. Dean Heller of Nevada, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Paul. Also voting no was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

news.yahoo.com...

Only 5 democrats, correct, and 3 Republicans, one of them, Lisa Murkowski, that tea partiers wanted to disqualify because some voters could not spell her name correctly in last years elections.You know socialist Bernie Sanders right? He is one of those opposing as well. This is both parties, not one, clearly you fail to see this.

How many tea party candidates were elected in 2010? I'm fairly sure it was well above 3. Instead of being deceptive about the fault of democrats, why don't people focus objectively on the proportion of tea party candidates not following on their "libertarian" roots. Focus on both sides.

I am not pushing any agenda, mate.

I thought it was obvious that Republicans are a war mongering and Israel loving sell out. Many people seem to believe that Democrats are much better than Republicans.

I only added that particular statistic to show how untrue it was.

Both the parties don't give a damn about the country or the people. That is why, you will never see a third party emerge.

Ron knows this, and therefore he has no option but to run as a Republican.

Originally posted by Pha3drus
I am not pushing any agenda, mate.

Then why only mention Democrats and Harry Reid in your OP? It should have been clear enough that only 3 republicans voted against it, including Paul. The rest of the Republicans, many of them tea party freshman, are voting to extend it. You conveniently left out the Republican majority and decided to make this a "democrats vs Paul" thread.

If you have no agenda, you'd b consistent to both sides. Admit you were wrong, and I'd accept it was a mistake on your part.

I thought it was obvious that Republicans are a war mongering and Israel loving sell out. Many people seem to believe that Democrats are much better than Republicans.

Many people believe that Republicans are better than Democrats, you certainly indicated so in your OP. Both sides of the fence are bad, considering it's only 3 Republicans and 5 Democrats opposing.

Heres a article from the friends of Ron and Rand.

www.pittsburghlive.com...

Right on prostitution

Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Michael Smerconish is right to call for full legalization of prostitution ("Legalize prostitution," March 6 and TribLIVE.com). Laws against prostitution are essentially laws against a person's right to his or her own body. It is the view of citizens as mere vassals of the state that underpins laws against prostitution (and many other actions).

These fundamentally anti-American laws serve to drive prostitution into the black market, attracting organized crime to the trade. Moreover, these laws exacerbate the spread of sexually transmitted infections and sexual trafficking while further empowering organized crime.

Amesh A. Adalja

Butler

The writer is a board-certified infectious diseases physician.

That is a oactivist article from March 2011. And im sure will be on the list of things for Ron and Rand to do next.
oactivity.blogspot.com...

Monday, April 4, 2011March 2011 OActivists Compilation
Here is a list of items published by members of the OActivists list for March 2011:

Op-Eds Ari Armstrong, "Law should protect wanted fetuses while allowing abortions", The Denver Daily News, March 1, 2011. Paul Hsieh, "Socialized Medicine: Theory Versus Practice", Liberty Ink Journal, March 2011. Letters to the Editor Amesh Adalja, "Irresponsible sex ed", Pittsburgh Post Gazette, March 2, 2011. Paul Hsieh, M.D., "Questioning the savings under health reform", The Denver Post, March 3, 2011. Tim Peck, "Equality resolution approval praised, but mayor lambasted", The Asheville Tribune, March 3, 2011. Amesh Adalja, "It's the Dogma that Does It", Baltimore City Paper, March 9, 2011. Tim Peck, "Equality resolution OK praised; mayor lambasted", Asheville Daily Planet, March 9, 2011. Amesh Adalja, "Right on Prostitution", Pittsburgh Tribune Review, March 15, 2011. Amesh Adalja, "Apply Portugal's lessons", Butler Eagle, March 15, 2011. Tim Peck, "Editorial ripped by reader alleging it is 3 times wrong", The Tribune, March 17, 2011. Amesh Adalja, "End State's Liquor Role", Butler Eagle, March 26, 2011. Amesh Adalja, "The Abortion Debate Part One Zillion", Baltimore City Paper, March 30, 2011. Articles Linn and Ari Armstrong, "Guarantee to unions the same rights the rest of us have", Grand Junction Free Press, March 4, 2011. Sylvia Bokor, "Government Regulation is Killing Business" Capitalist Magazine, March 7, 2011, and posted on Free Enterprise Newsletter facebook page, March 8, 2011. Linn and Ari Armstrong, "Stripper welfare illustrates why charity should be voluntary", Grand Junction Free Press, March 18, 2011. Joshua Lipana, "Save Education, Privatize Government Schools", American Thinker, March 22, 2011. Joshua Lipana, "Tim Wu: The Man Who is Destroying the Tech Industry", American Thinker, March 29, 2011. Paul Hsieh, "Health Care and the Separation of Charity and State," The Objective Standard, Spring 2011. This list does not include blog posts, web comments, letters to congressmen and other politicians, radio show call-ins, etc., all of which actively spread our message and advance our goals.

They have some crazy plans for us.

I applaud Rand and his efforts to stop the madness under the guise of "homeland security" and all of the other garbage they call it in order to strip away our freedoms as individuals.

I would think if 9/11 was an inside job. The patriot act would of been ecential for the coverup. seems no one has metioned the pink elephant in the room. take that idea and make a thread. please
spelling fix

Tom Udall (Democrat NM) on the Senate floor calls for a full debate. Saying congress and the Senate acted in hast when passing it the first time. I know Tom Udall does not like the Patriot Act at all, he has been against this for a long time now. Tom does have clout on the Senate floor so, we might just see that debate. I know Tom holds some good cards in the energy sector, one being the San Juan basin 2nd largest gas reserve in the U.S. So Hoping this helps in anyway as leverage to get these dummies to wake up and not pass this. San Juan Basin is big ,it supplies Texas, CA, Oak, Col, Ut, and other states, and of course NM I know tom has been trying hard the last 10 years to get this debated.

Watch this Video post tonight, surprising to say the least. There was only one copy of the bill when they passed it? Anyone get a chance to read it on the floor in its entirety?

Tom States " No party knew what they were voting voting for , Quoting the Washing Post"
and it does infringe our rights."

Tom Udall Senate Floor Today

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I still find it hard to believe that there are people on ATS who still believe in the false left right paradigm. The Republicans were always in favor of PATRIOT act. It were the Democrats that pretended that they were against it. But, I can see where you are coming from and my post might have given the wrong impression.

reply to post by StaceyWilson

No one can be trusted (politicians) , the whole system is corrupt , Obama promised much as well, my take is whoevers voted in , will bend over like everyone since JFK died , We have been watching events unfold before our eyes , it gets worse and worse , will we be decieved again by the Pauls?

"No one can be trusted (politicians) , the whole system is corrupt..." This is very true but our only hope is to elect reasonable people. I often hear people calling for other methods of dealing with the problem. Unfortunately I think this is what TPTB is trying to goad the USA into - open rebellion. This would allow the UN to step in with "peace keeping" Forces and take over our government. TPTB real real wants to get rid of the Constitution.

I am more worried about Assassination. Ron Paul's voting record is consistent so we can only hope that means he will continue to be consistent.

The other question is who else is there to vote for whose voting record shows adherence to the Constitution????

reply to post by Southern Guardian

....How many tea party candidates were elected in 2010? I'm fairly sure it was well above 3. Instead of being deceptive about the fault of democrats, why don't people focus objectively on the proportion of tea party candidates not following on their "libertarian" roots. Focus on both sides.

You are VERY correct.

I called my Senator's office BEFORE election and asked about his stand on certain key issues - HE LIED! He flat out lied and turned around and voted FOR a bill I was very against.

We as individual voters HAVE TO start paying attention to the voting records of the people we put in Congress and whether or not they betray their voters.

AS I already have shown in this post, the Media is run by the bankers. Therefore it is up to each of us to research and determine where our incumbents in Congress actually stand.

Americans have become much too lazy and have allowed our selves to be scammed time and time again by the Republican and democrats and the bankers propaganda machine , the MSM.