Happening NOW: Rand Paul has been holding the Senate floor to keep them from passing the Patriot Act

reply to post by JBA2848

"He opposes taxation, public education, welfare, business regulations, etc. He also opposes laws regulating pornography, euthanasia, stem cell research, etc."

LOL! Your FRAT post is so full of misinformation and marxist talking points it is pathetic. Yeah heaven forbid people should be free of government intervention to keep the fruits of thier labors and trade with one another to thier hearts content. In short you think it is selfish of people to not want the government to steal what they produce and give it to others who have not worked for it.

It is amazing how marxists can't even look around you and see the fruits of your ideal society fraught with government intervention, theft, regulation, and control etc. and see that it is crumbling and yet you opine for more of it... Sigh!

People created society long before government and all the things attributed to government are actually done by the people! All government does is steal from the people and oppress the masses and favor a few of the politically connected elite.

These decisions are pre-made before they hit the Senate floor. Short of him chaining himself to the pen that signs the bill he is just garnering more political clout from the opposition who really have no respect, power, influence or say in these matters.

My friend,

Originally posted by JBA2848
They both suck. And people put all there hopes into them when people lie and make up stuff trying to act like there doing some thing there not.

Seriously?

C'MON!!!

You sure as heck are the one making stuff up and trying to act like your in the knowing. PLEASE do some research ffs

Be safe be well

Spiro

Originally posted by SelfSustainedLoner
So Rand Paul is Ron Pauls son?

YES

Play any speech of Ron Paul or Rand to French,Mexican,Chinese ,Danish ,Russian, Egyptian,Brasilian,Japanese.... everybody will support him ..every good man and women of this world !

Ron Paul 2012 !!!

What amazes me is that this is not a major news story. Go Google it. I did and with the exception of alternative sites, there is hardly any mention by any major news outlet that this is transpiring right now.

Who's running the show, because we certainly aren't.

Originally posted by JBA2848
He just wants to change some of it. They both still want it.
www.ronpaul.com...

“Rand has spent the past four hours fighting attempts to ram Patriot Act Re-authorization through and is urging Sen. Reid to keep his agreement and allow amendments. Rand has an amendment to exempt gun records from Patriot Act searches. It seems this amendment is holding up further amendments and votes. We must insist on this amendment and urge fellow 2nd Amendment defenders to call their Senators right away!” — Ron Paul

They both suck. And people put all there hopes into them when people lie and make up stuff trying to act like there doing some thing there not.

What? No, it's literally 2 people on their own. They know there is no way to stop them from putting it through, they are delaying it, and trying to sabotage it with ammendments. They are taking the first step on getting rid of the Patriot Act. You just don't understand the macro social game that is required in politics.

Everyone has their own opinion, but when a legion of people come together and agree on this opinion, you aren't going to change all of their minds at all if you choose an extremely polar opposing stance.

You just won't succeed in convincing the people required to complete your agenda.

You just don't understand the process it seems.

Originally posted by cbaskins

I wouldn't vote for Rant if he was the last candidate on earth. Have you really seen his politics and beliefs? Although he may be voting against the patriot act, he is waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy to far to the right and would create an almost totalitarian rule based on a Christian version of Sharia Law. although SF thanks for keeping up on the times.

Specifically, what beliefs does he hold that would be based on a totalitarian Christian version of Sharia Law? Specifically?

You are using #5 from the Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation list.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

While I know Wikipedia isn't always the most trustworthy of source material, in this case, it does a good job of summarizing his beliefs: en.wikipedia.org...

He is a States rights guy, how is that bad?

Abortion and bioethics
Paul is opposed to abortion and supports a Human Life Amendment and a Life at Conception Act.
He also opposes abortion in cases of rape and incest, but supports use of the morning-after pill.
He opposes federal funding for abortion.
He takes a states' rights position, favoring the overturn of Roe v. Wade and allowing states to decide on the legality of abortions without federal involvement.

Ok, if you support the abortion industry, I can see how you might get bent out of shape by this, but he does leave it to the States to decide. It might not be nationally available, but I guarantee a neighboring State would allow it, not every State would outlaw it.

Campaign finance reform
Paul opposes the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 and has called it a "dangerous piece of legislation". Instead, he supports regulating the contracts given out by Congress and placing limits on corporations receiving government contracts. Paul opposes legislation limiting the amount of money individuals, corporations, and organizations can give to candidates. Additionally, Paul has proposed "mandating a clause in all federal contracts over $1 million that requires the recipient to pledge not to lobby government or contribute to campaigns during the terms of the contract."

How is this bad? How does this relate to Sharia law? Basically, if you are working for the Government on a $1MM+ contract, you can’t lobby…. Common sense

Civil liberties
Paul opposes the USA PATRIOT Act, including warrantless searches and breach of individual privacy.

Every true American representative should oppose this draconian legislation down to their core.

Economics and tax cuts
Paul has been a longtime opponent of the bank and auto industry bailouts.
He also opposes the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the Federal Reserve's control of the money supply and interest rates. He has advocated allowing the free market to regulate interest rates, and supports Congress' constitutional role in controlling the money supply. Paul endorses H.R. 1207, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act, a bill, introduced by his father, mandating an audit of the Federal Reserve. Although Paul would abolish the Federal Reserve, he supports transparency and accountability of the semi-private institution. Additionally, Paul opposes inflation and supports "restoring the value of the dollar that has devalued by approximately 95% since the Federal Reserve's inception in 1913".
Paul supports tax cuts and a Balanced Budget Amendment, and has criticized both Republicans and Democrats on deficit spending.

In October 2010 the Kentucky coordinator for Americans For Fair Taxation stated that Paul would "vote for the FairTax", which would replace federal income taxes with a 23% national consumption tax and includes rebate provisions for taxes on all money spent up to the poverty line. The Associated Press confirmed with a representative of the Paul campaign that the statement fairly reflected Paul's position, but the next day Paul distanced himself from the proposal, saying that while he supports tax reform in general, he hasn't committed to the proposal, adding that it is "a little complicated to administer" and that "it would probably work better at the state level than the national."

In case you haven’t been paying attention, the Federal Reserve is at the core of ALL our monetary and economic woes. A elastic, fiat currency is what has allowed us to get into the debt we are in now. In case you didn’t know, the Federal Reserve isn’t even a Government institute, it is a private bank that we pay interest to and give them the privilege of printing our currency, a power given to our Government in Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution. Why should we be paying a private bank to print something that the Government has the power and authority to do?

I disagree with him on the FairTax, see this post: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Education
Paul supports returning control of education to local communities and parents and thus eliminating the federal Department of Education, but he says that some functions of the Department of Education, such as disbursing student loans and Pell Grants, should be transferred to other departments instead of being eliminated. Paul opposes federal regulation of homeschooling.

The federal government is doing a bang up job of educating our kids, aren’t they?

Despite increase in spending, student performance is flat…. BTW, where is Sharia in this one?

Energy
Paul supports allowing the free market to compete and dictate which forms of energy to use. He opposes subsidizing energy companies, and would support allowing tax breaks for companies that produce alternative energy such as wind, solar, or geothermal. He has said that subsidizing the energy industry will only add incentive for companies to lobby the federal government.

Wow, progressive thinking for a Sharia loving Christian.

Health care
Paul opposes federal government involvement in health care. He would repeal the HMO Act of 1973 that "drives a wedge between the patient and [one's] doctor". He believes that government has driven up the cost of health care and causes the quality and coverage to decrease. Paul would support a free market approach to health care, including tax deductions for medical expenses. He opposes federal regulations discouraging businesses from providing coverage. He supports Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). On Medicare, Paul has suggested higher deductibles as well as changes to premiums or eligibility rules as ways to address what he sees as the program's looming financial problems, saying "You want to have more participation by the person who's receiving the entitlement... by that I mean that they need to be more involved with some sort of economic transaction every time they use their entitlement, and that means they have to bear more of the burden." Paul also stated that he does not support such changes for current retirees or people nearing retirement.

I don’t see him proposing cutting off people’s hands here either.

Illegal immigration
Paul has proposed adding security to the border by installing an electronic fence and helicopter stations to respond to breaches. He opposes birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. Paul has said that courts should review the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," to conclude whether or not it should apply to the children of illegal immigrants. If court challenges fail, Paul would support a constitutional amendment that would deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States.

What’s wrong with this?

Medical marijuana
Paul believes the issue of medical marijuana is a states' rights issue and that the federal government should not interfere. In August, the Associated Press reported that Paul said he was opposed to the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes, but the Paul campaign says he was misquoted. Though Paul describes himself as a "social conservative," he was nonetheless described by the AP reporter as holding "libertarian leanings on drugs" and believing some drug sentences were too harsh.

Yes, you are right, this is a very similar to the liquor stance of Sharia law

Foreign policy and national defense
Paul holds that the primary Constitutional function of the federal government is national defense, and that the greatest national security threat is the lack of border security. He supports eliminating issuance of visas to people from “about ten rogue nations.” He supports trying terrorists caught on the battlefield in military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay detention camp. Paul believes that when the United States goes to war, Congress must declare war as mandated by the United States Constitution.

During his 2010 Senate campaign Paul questioned the idea that U.S. Middle East policy is "killing more terrorists than it creates." He supported the war in Afghanistan and opposed rapid withdrawal from Iraq. He says he would have voted against the invasion of Iraq and questioned whether the intelligence was manipulated."
He also spoke against U.S. overseas military bases.

Agreed! Unless of course you LIKE war?

Same-sex marriage
Paul opposes same-sex marriage, but believes the issue should be left to the States to decide.

Again, he said he’ll leave it to the States.

Second Amendment
Paul would oppose all gun control legislation, a position he says is supported by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Great, it’s in there for a reason.

Rand is speaking on C-span right now.

www.c-span.org...

Rand Paul should be running for president, not Ron.

I want to believe.

I want to believe that these men truly believe in what they are saying.

I want to believe that it will matter.

DIEBOLD & ESS and/or a BULLET tells me that it will not be enough.

We have seen it before. They are not shy.

For those less aware DIEBOLD ESS means our votes do not count...period....republic dead game over via technology.

Now, if you would like to prove to the class how VOTER FRAUD is not in effect then by all means please do so.

A Bullet is in reference to the fact that they will blow any leaders head off right in front of us if any leader gets out of line.

Listen folks.... you do not need leaders... DO...BE THE BALL.....SHA NA NA NA

We the people....right now.... have the power to rescind ALL of our present Elected Officials and also to Nullify any law, statute and/or code and also to reorganize ourselves in any way we deem most beneficial but the majority must be in agreeance for this to happen....did any lightbulbs go off in anyones head when I said that??? We Must Be In A Majority and thus the real reason to NEED to keep us divided via partisan politics.

If we ever get together...watch out world...
Imagine truly exporting freedom and democracy once we root out all the rats and pigs who have fed off of our prosperity for nearly two centuries!!!

SOVEREIGNTY

ANTI FEDERALIST PAPERS

We can create a new constitution or fall back to a Confederation of States with a State Bill of Rights and State Constitutions and get on with a peaceful revolution before the corporations and their puppets make a violent revolution our only option and do not for one second allow yourself to deny that rising up and taking the power back physically by force is not one of our options.

Yeah! I said it!

Please Cease and Desist from believing only in the Dogma of the original organic Constitution as after reading all of the Anti Federalist papers you will realize that it was the original DECEPTION.

Someone email my message to Ron and Rand for me pretty please?

The only prerequisite to being a Sovereign is the ability to believe that you are and then to start acting like one regardless of the consequences...

Lastly, I will leave you with what I feel is the big picture puzzle of our current American Experiment.
A conspiracy of epic proportions indeed...



Debunk this and then when you fail please forward to those who need to know maybe like the Paul's.
Thanks!

I would fight, kill and die for Ron and Rand, We need them

great job Rand Paul!! I hope more American's will support both the Paul's. Proves America is still breathing. You know it's funny i cant find anyone that supports patriot act except dumbass politicians ill never vote for again. Nice to see somewhere in Washington the constitution is finally remembered.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Rand Paul should be running for president, not Ron.

How about Ron run for president and have Rand as his VP? Paul & Paul 2012!

reply to post by Freenrgy2

What amazes me is that this is not a major news story. Go Google it. I did and with the exception of alternative sites, there is hardly any mention by any major news outlet that this is transpiring right now.

Who's running the show, because we certainly aren't.

Here is my standard answer to that question about the MSM:
U.S. Congressional Record February 9, 1917: J.P. Morgan interests bought 25 of America's leading newspapers, and inserted their own editors, in order to control the media. www.mindfully.org...

JP Morgan: Our next big media player? (April 13, 2010) JP Morgan controls 54 U.S. daily newspapers,and owns 31 television stations. www.newsandtech.com...

Media Conglomerates, Mergers, Concentration of Ownership: www.globalissues.org...

Who controls the media www.nowfoundation.org...

Interlocking Directorates

Media corporations share members of the board of directors with a variety of other large corporations, including banks, investment companies, oil companies, health care and pharmaceutical companies and technology companies. This list shows board interlocks for the following major media interests:
www.fair.org...

I took a look at MSNBC the results I posted HERE GAG.

BANKSTERS, BANKSTERS EVERYWHERE and the Liberals believe these guys???

I especially love that the last guy, Jeff Shell, used to work for FOX as well as Citi group.

A REAL LIBERAL kind of guy who serves as President of Comcast Programming Group for Comcast Corporation.

A new video!


www.courier-journal.com...

God bless brothers & sisters across the pond. The people awake in England and not under the spell of tptb are with you and hope you all the best.

Rand Paul goes against everything he "supports" and is full of double talk and back stepping..

This situation is nothing but a way to go into gun rights, nothing more nothing less.. To act like he is a savior for it is silly and would only happen in a place like this where you have alot of right leaning extreamists. Thats why Ron and Rand are not nearly as popular out in the real world as they are here.. In the real world, people are a bit more sane then you all.

reply to post by Majestic Lumen

HA! I agree 100% with that, if something like this ever gets organized and somebody can offer me a ride to the march I'll be there! That is exactly what needs to be done, at least as a start

Do not forget what happened to the "Bonus Army" Protest just do not work. Change STATE laws to allow recall of their sorry butts and support informing juries of their right to set aside laws.

www.recalltherogues.org...

prorev.com...
fija.org...

"The Bonus Army" EyeWitness to History, www.eyewitnesstohistory.com... (2000).

...In May of that year, some 15,000 veterans, many unemployed and destitute, descended on Washington, D.C. to demand immediate payment of their bonus. They proclaimed themselves the Bonus Expeditionary Force but the public dubbed them the "Bonus Army." Raising ramshackle camps at various places around the city, they waited.

The veterans made their largest camp at Anacostia Flats across the river from the Capitol. Approximately 10,000 veterans, women and children lived in the shelters built from materials dragged out of a junk pile nearby....

on July 28, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the evacuation of the veterans from all government property, Entrusted with the job, the Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two marchers killed. Learning of the shooting at lunch, President Hoover ordered the army to clear out the veterans. Infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks were dispatched with Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur in command. Major Dwight D. Eisenhower served as his liaison with Washington police and Major George Patton led the cavalry By 4:45 P.M. the troops were massed on Pennsylvania Ave. below the Capitol. Thousands of Civil Service employees spilled out of work and lined the streets to watch. The veterans, assuming the military display was in their honor, cheered. Suddenly Patton's troopers turned and charged. "Shame, Shame" the spectators cried. Soldiers with fixed bayonets followed, hurling tear gas into the crowd.

..Two babies died and nearby hospitals overwhelmed with casualties. Eisenhower later wrote, "the whole scene was pitiful. The veterans were ragged, ill-fed, and felt themselves badly abused. To suddenly see the whole encampment going up in flames just added to the pity."

reply to post by JBA2848

Rand Paul quoting Ayn Rand.....

OH?

So you are FOR the big corporations colluding with government? (Corporatism)

You are FOR the bankers printing money out of thin air and exchanging it for your labor and wealth???

Because that is what Ron Paul, Randall Paul and Ayn Rand are AGAINST.

The smear campaign is to make sure no one ever really LOOKS at what they are saying.

WHO OWNS the media doing the smear campaign???

Why the BANKERS of course

So what are you???

Good job Rand...but I thought dim/libs were AGAINST the Patroit Act and castigated Repubs for passing it?So,why now,al of a sudden,the dim/libs are going to vote for renewal?