Canadian Couple Decides to Raise 'Genderless' Baby

reply to post by Max_TO


I haven't read this article in the OP, just one of the many other news articles on that couple earlier today.

I will now read the article and look for the child abuse you mention.

edit: Nope no child abuse there.

If you are implying home schooling is child abuse, then that is another issue.

How is this important...seriously...? I don't give a crap chute how some Canadian couple decide to raise THEIR baby. People choose to raise their spawns differently, so why are we giving this issue so much attention? I don't get it. It's not your business, it's not anyone's business.

I thinkthis is really sad. I feel sorry for these kids. I hope the child itself is told what gender it is. We are not genderless we all ave a gender.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Right, tell that to the utterly confused kid when they get to dating age, and can't get a date. I am sure this will be a huge problem in the future, when they have to enter real life. A parent's job is to prepare them for the world that is out there, not the wrold that they wish was out there.

So... you would rather the child be raised into a gender role that he or she may not be inclined to later on? Those are the kids who can't get dates. Those are the kids who end up offing themselves because they don't feel like they have a place in their community. Why take that chance? Why are gender roles what they are in the western world? It's not because it is the natural order for things, that's for sure.

My daughter has the equipment God gave her and, beyond that, it's up to her how she wants to adorn it. I'm not going to raise my kid in America and then tell her she's got to take on this arbitrary role we made up over the years that really means nothing. Think about it. Is it their mentality or yours that keeps society from moving forward?

So I brought this up on another forum and everyone was shocked at my opinion.

Apparently Gender and Sex have two definitions, gender having nothing to do with the sexual organs.

I'm still kind of shocked that Ive gone my whole life assuming these two were the same. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but do countries other than North America and Europe have a major issue with gender confused people, or people who "feel" they are the opposite sex to their birth? I mean enough that they would have to specify raising a gender free child rather than just saying "hey, I will be happy with whatever choices my child makes when it's old enough to understand"

Correct, and what if they go to the Mall, do they let the kid decide whether to take a number 2 in the mens room or womens? of course depending on which parent their with, but besides that, other children will mention it, people will comment on their cute little boy/girl. This is going to confuse the kid and cause them emotional insecurities when they're older.

Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Agreed 100% again

The five year old is already showing signs of this abuse , whether the self righteous among us care admit it or not .

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I thinkthis is really sad. I feel sorry for these kids. I hope the child itself is told what gender it is. We are not genderless we all ave a gender.

It's a four month old baby, you could tell it it's an alien from Planet x and it would probably giggle at you.

Originally posted by awareness10
Correct, and what if they go to the Mall, do they let the kid decide whether to take a number 2 in the mens room or womens? of course depending on which parent their with, but besides that, other children will mention it, people will comment on their cute little boy/girl. This is going to confuse the kid and cause them emotional insecurities when they're older.

Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Agreed 100% again

The five year old is already showing signs of this abuse , whether the self righteous among us care admit it or not .

My god, these are little kids. I used to get changed in the womens dressing room with my Mum when i was five when we used to go to the swimming baths.... (when my dad wasn't with us) Yes i used to stare at the ladies boobs, but no harm done.

Well last time i checked THE MEDIA made it our business...just like they do with everything else.

Originally posted by laiguana
How is this important...seriously...? I don't give a crap chute how some Canadian couple decide to raise THEIR baby. People choose to raise their spawns differently, so why are we giving this issue so much attention? I don't get it. It's not your business, it's not anyone's business.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


Ok , one more time and I will go really slow ..

If home school is done as a means of isolating a child then yes it's wrong

If you do not tell your child what gender they are , yes it's wrong again and yes folks that is whats going on here

If you program your boy at the age of five to love pink puffy dresses and beraid there hair and isolate them from there peers , guess what folks , that's wrong too

If as a result your five year old can only stair sadly into there lap and look all sad when asked if they would like to go to school with other children , guess what , bingo that's wrong too .

Is a parent not suppose to guide , encourage , be honest to , and train there children in the art of socializing ?

Look believe what you want people and feel good thinking that you have the moral high ground here folks but once again I live in Toronto and have been hearing reports all day on what's going on with these children .

You dont think these children are being abused then I say good for you but when this confused isolated reclusive boy grows up he will sure feel like he was abused and perhaps all of you can reassure him that he wasn't .

If you would like to dispute anything I mentioned that's fine too but I can promise you that everything I have stated was reported as fact in the various reports broadcasted today .

JonoEnglish... yes i realise that, i obviously failed to mention children when they reach the age of understanding like 6 or 7. Would you take your 7 yr old Daughter into a mens room i really doubt you would.I doubt most normal people wouldn't either unless it was unisex consisting of one can and one sink.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by awareness10
Correct, and what if they go to the Mall, do they let the kid decide whether to take a number 2 in the mens room or womens? of course depending on which parent their with, but besides that, other children will mention it, people will comment on their cute little boy/girl. This is going to confuse the kid and cause them emotional insecurities when they're older.

Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Agreed 100% again

The five year old is already showing signs of this abuse , whether the self righteous among us care admit it or not .

My god, these are little kids. I used to get changed in the womens dressing room with my Mum when i was five when we used to go to the swimming baths.... (when my dad wasn't with us) Yes i used to stare at the ladies boobs, but no harm done.

reply to post by Cuervo


So because what, 1 in a thousand maybe? kids grow up to be whatever those people are called, boy who wants to be a girl vice versa, we should treat all kids like this? That is illogical, to say the least....

Like I said, parents are supposed to prepare their kids for the real world, unless they are planning on supporting them their whole lives and letting them live in the basement....

Gender roles are pretty important to most people. Most girls don't want a man that don't know how to be men. And vice versa. It is setting them up to be failures in life...

Wait till the boy goes to his first job interview in a pink dress, see how that goes over...

reply to post by eleventhsun


People should be allowed to develop into their real self without pressure to conform.

Most kids will grow up 'straight acting' whatever sex they may be. Others, a small minority will be different. Girls may go through a phase of being a tomboy, boys may be a little effeminate, they may grow out of that stage, some will not. Telling them they are wrong, evil, unnatural etc is mental child abuse.

Originally posted by awareness10
JonoEnglish... yes i realise that, i obviously failed to mention children when they reach the age of understanding like 6 or 7. Would you take your 7 yr old Daughter into a mens room i really doubt you would.I doubt most normal people wouldn't either unless it was unisex consisting of one can and one sink.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by awareness10
Correct, and what if they go to the Mall, do they let the kid decide whether to take a number 2 in the mens room or womens? of course depending on which parent their with, but besides that, other children will mention it, people will comment on their cute little boy/girl. This is going to confuse the kid and cause them emotional insecurities when they're older.

Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Agreed 100% again

The five year old is already showing signs of this abuse , whether the self righteous among us care admit it or not .

My god, these are little kids. I used to get changed in the womens dressing room with my Mum when i was five when we used to go to the swimming baths.... (when my dad wasn't with us) Yes i used to stare at the ladies boobs, but no harm done.

edit on 24-5-2011 by awareness10 because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-5-2011 by awareness10 because: (no reason given)

Ooops, I'm in trouble, I got my full name there.

no I wouldn't let my daughter of 7 to get changed in a male changing room. She would be old enough to get changed in the ladies on her own.

Isn't it incredible how both the ''mother'' and ''father'' dress normally and have gender-specific haircuts ?

They obviously think it's ok to let their children look like freaks, but opt to go about their own lives conforming to gender-specific social fashion norms...

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reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


Good points , but when does anyone ever show there true side during a PR photo shoot ?

reply to post by JonoEnglish

Ok , one more time and I will go really slow ..

Lol, no need for sarcasm there my friend.

If home school is done as a means of isolating a child then yes it's wrong

That is about home schooling, many kids are schooled at home. As long as children have the ability to socialise with kids of the same age, there is no problem.

If you program your boy at the age of five to love pink puffy dresses and beraid there hair

If you 'force' a young boy to wear pink fluffy dresses and braid their hair then that is wrong. If a kid likes playing dressing up, no harm done. Chances are he will grow out of it. I take it you don't get dressed up as Superman anymore, unless you are going to fancy dress.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Isn't it incredible how both the ''mother'' and ''father'' dress normally and have gender-specific haircuts ?

They obviously think it's ok to let their children look like freaks, but opt to go about their own lives conforming to gender-specific social fashion norms...

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edit on 24-5-2011 by Sherlock Holmes because: (no reason given)

No they have their identity, kids still develop theirs.

Not nice calling a child a 'freak' btw.

I don't see why people are so upset about this. At the end of the day, its their kid. Would I have wanted to have been raised that way? No, and I think it's a pretty whacky idea, but I'm sure they're goodhearted people with the best intentions for their child.

At least they're not a couple of mouth-breathing neo-Nazi cretins raising their child to hate.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Gender roles are pretty important to most people. Most girls don't want a man that don't know how to be men. And vice versa. It is setting them up to be failures in life...

The importance placed on gender does more damage than people abandoning it. Gender roles are rubbish. "how to be men"? Can you read this all the way back from the 1800's?

Let's get something else straight. A girl wanting to drive a tractor is not a girl who wants to be a boy; she just wants to drive a tractor. The fact that people placed made-up assignments for genders to match up with certain toys or clothing is what caused the problem to begin with.