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Kerry's wounds self-inflicted?

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posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 07:10 AM
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WASHINGTON Two of John Kerry's Purple Hearts were for self-inflicted wounds, charges a new book by two of the presidential candidate's Vietnam comrades

only two of all Kerry's unit support him for presidency.I'm not sure but something is wrong with this guy :/


www.worldnetdaily.com...




posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 07:15 AM
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I think we need a propaganda forum for stories like this coming from both sides.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 07:20 AM
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oh, so this book is propaganda? and Micahael Moore's little ditty, discussed, supported, and held in high esteem by many here on ATS is not?

Where's debunkindon?



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 07:32 AM
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Self inflicted? It wouldn't surprise me. John Kerry isn't honorable as
John McCain is. MAJOR difference in these two guys who went through
the Vietnam era. Great reading - 'Faith of my Fathers' by John McCain.
HE is a REAL war hero!

I did hear one news report a few months back, that said one of Kerry's purple hearts was for a 'wound' (that required a bandaid) from shrapnal. The metal piece that hit him was from a round he had fired from the boat, and that he had screwed up firing. He didn't fire it far enough from the boat, and he hit a big rock in the river instead of the target. When it hit the rock, a piece flew back and slightly grazed him on his arm. His own screw up caused a scratch and thus a purple heart.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
I think we need a propaganda forum for stories like this coming from both sides.


why you called this "propaganda"???These guys know him very good.I'm sure that better than my or you..Why his collegues don't like him???

is this a propaganda???

[edit on 4-8-2004 by gattaca]



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
I think we need a propaganda forum for stories like this coming from both sides.

I so agree with you! And as to why do we need one!? You have got to be kidding!!??? Because as the election draws nearer, there will be more and more ridiculous stupidity coming from both sides, as if it is going to change anyone's mind about whom they shall vote for....once again, I'd vote for Elmer Fudd if he were the only one running against Bush!

Also...just for the record, I don't think the army asks you if you want a purple heart, I think they give it to those they feel should have it...so if you want to cry foul over the reasoning for him receiving a couple of them, I suggest you take it up with the United States Armed Forces....



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV
I don't think the army asks you if you want a purple heart, I think they give it to those they feel should have it...


Usually that's true. However, Kerry asked for his. He asked and asked until he got them. I have read this in a few different places. I'll look and
see if I can find a link and then post it back here.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 11:18 AM
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Not another thread! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! This has been debunked so many times. The author, works for the neo-con element of the Republican party. Just Google. He attacked McCain when he ran for President, said McCain was brainwashed when he was a POW and is a communist spy. The author creates fake organizations, paid for by the Republican party, to attack anyone who opposes Bush. McCain has said the guy is a nutjob, don't listen to a word he says. I'd take his advice.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 01:49 PM
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IF you believe this, it says Kerry had the guts to go to a war zone, under active fire and do these things. GW Bush couldn't even be bothered to show up for his token position in the National Guard and was a DESERTER. Kerry gets points for nerve, style and substance. GW Bush is a worthless gutless puppet of the right wing.
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posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:10 PM
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Wasnt on of his purple hearts a result of him using a 40mm gernade to close to his own position. The result of which he was hit with a minor piece of shrapnel.

If this is true or not im not positive. But one thing that cant be deined by Kerry is that his wounds were indeed minor no matter how you look at it. A person that got both his legs blown off should not get the same type of medal that some one like Kerry or anyone eles gets for a small piece of metal in his arm or leg.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:22 PM
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The story that your link sends us to says this...


All three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization, as O'Neill has previously explained.

This statement is made in defiance, as is obvious by its wording....this is just BS that some guy hopes to sell heaps of while the voting population is more intereseted in chancing their own tail....I wouldn't take any of this for face value.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:37 PM
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Im not saying that story is true but Kerrys wounds were all minor. He was not shot with a AK-47 he did not step on a landmine.

There should be Pink heart or something for minor wounds. and a Yellow heart for those people that shot themselves in the foot in Vietam.(note Im not saying kerry did that but people did and got the purple heart for it)



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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There should be Pink heart or something for minor wounds. and a Yellow heart for those people that shot themselves in the foot in Vietam.(note Im not saying kerry did that but people did and got the purple heart for it)


HA!
I think you're on to something!



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:45 PM
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Actually apparently there was a bunch of alligations of bad conduct on Kerry's part....

Two of John Kerry's three Purple Heart decorations resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire.

All three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization.

A "fanny wound" was the highlight of Kerry's much touted "no man left behind" Bronze Star.

Kerry turned the tragic death of a father and small child in a Vietnamese fishing boat into an act of "heroism" by filing a false report on the incident.

Kerry entered an abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered the domestic animals owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter.

Kerry's reckless behavior convinced his colleagues that he had to go -- becoming the only Swift Boat veteran to serve only four months.

I haven't read the book yet but Drudge is going to go through these step by step starting tomorrow.

- Was



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:59 PM
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It's important to note that Kerry's wounds, be they minor, self-inflicted, or topped with whipped cream were received in battle in Vietnam. Kerry volunteered to go over to Vietnam to defend his country.


Where was GW? Flying planes in the Coast Guard? Drinking it up with his buddies? Maybe enjoying a little nose candy?



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 03:26 PM
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So its ok that Kerry lied about what happened and how it happened not once but several times? Its OK that the man who would be president wasnt good enough to be officer on a river boat during the time of war?

Im not saying Bush hasnt lied about his cocain use, or where the heck he was when he was supposed to be on duty but they just both seem very shifty to me. I want someone with the Charisma of JFK and Reagan and the ability to lead of FDR and Truman, mixed in with the Morals and steadfastness of Lincoln. Give me that person and lets clone them to be president forever.

- Was



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Wassabi
So its ok that Kerry lied about what happened and how it happened not once but several times? Its OK that the man who would be president wasnt good enough to be officer on a river boat during the time of war?

Im not saying Bush hasnt lied about his cocain use, or where the heck he was when he was supposed to be on duty but they just both seem very shifty to me. I want someone with the Charisma of JFK and Reagan and the ability to lead of FDR and Truman, mixed in with the Morals and steadfastness of Lincoln. Give me that person and lets clone them to be president forever.

- Was


No, it's not OK that he lied. I really don't think it is possible for a person to achieve the presidency without lying.

I'm not satisfied with either candidate from the two main parties, but we've got Bush and we've got Kerry. I was just trying to bring a little balance to the discussion.

I like your cloning idea. An FDR/Lincoln alloy would be lovely.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 08:52 PM
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Wow, this ad isn't going to help him much.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by gurnio
Wow, this ad isn't going to help him much.


You can find John Kerry's complete service record here.

John Kerry's Official Naval Records

If you want to know the real story of Kerry's Viet Nam service, you should read his official military records, and ignore the slime job that is in progress. In particular, you can read Kerry's complete fitness reports and see how his immediate commanders evaluated him at the time. It would be extremely interesting to compare the signatures on Kerry's fitness reports to the officers criticizing Kerry in the Swift Boat Veterans video. That sounds like a good job for you, gurnio.

If none of the Swift Boat Veterans ever signed a Kerry fitness report, then none of them was ever assigned the job of evaluating him. On the other hand, if some of them did sign Kerry's fitness reports, and gave him high marks, what are we to think? Were they lying when they wrote glowing fitness reports, or are they lying now when they criticize him for political reasons?

Also please notice that George Bush's complete service records are not available online, or anywhere else. The so-called complete release by the White House was what Nixon called a modified, limited hangout. The Associated Press is currently suing for the release of Bush's service records. If this Swift Boat Veterans story gets mainstream media attention, the Republicans won't like the result. That will make Bush's record of AWOL and desertion fair game again. There are still a lot of unanswered questions about Bush's service record in the Air National Guard, and the Democrats would just love the chance to make the AWOL story front-page news again.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 10:46 PM
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And of course SNOPES
is always good at debunking Urban Legends.



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