Today we start our revolution! Wish us good luck...

Yes we need a revolution, but not a peacefull one. No one cares about peacefull strikes or revolutions, don't work. No one take it seriously .
How many peopple live in your city? how many are militar or police force? 5%?
We need to destroi what is bad in this world. We need to destroy the banks and goverment buildings, a mass attack. And we gonna win!!
Let's do this, [snip] peace, they are killing childrens for profit.
Let's destroy all the banks.

Change will not happen unless the royal families die, they will just hide in a bunker while everybody looks for them, then emerge again once the new gov sets in or whatever.

Change will not happen without blood, if protests would of changed this world we would live in utopia by now.

good luck anyhow

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by coquine
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..... But I'm confused..... it sounds like you are not in France?? Am I mistaken? I mean the real estate crash and all that which didn't happen here....in France you would be living off your retirement now, going on cruises and such.
The idea of losing that retirement (90% of your salary at time of retirement) in a revolution would probably not make you hurry to join the younguns in destroying the system. Especially if they have no plan for a new system of government they want to install, they just plan on throwing out the present one and........?

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No I am in the USA however don't worry France is not far behind you will have your crash too eventually. Those retirements you are talking about are being paid for by others so when they are out of work and all those pensions disappear then you will see the older folks in France up and arms too.

The youngins are misguided they want revolution for hand outs. I just want freedom and a level playing field to make a living as i see fit and keep the government out of my business and from stealing my substance!

I think the problems in the two countries are different, that's all.

My personal complaints are the opposite here- people wanting the government to assure them more, and protesting (successfully) to get that all the time. They use the idea that it is a matter of freedom- as in "the right to be free to live without stress" "the freedom to have a job" (which the government makes available?)

For sure, there will be no more social security by the time I retire. Recently they tried to make reform which would pushback retirement two years. We have a huge baby boomer population which will all be retiring aroudn the age of 50, a heavy financial load for the work force to support, considering people are living to be 80 to 100 years old. Thirty to forty years of a comfy retirement, paid by a smaller population equals no more retirement for the next generation.

In the protests against this reform, young people, high school students and college students, were influenced to protest..... even though it hurts THEM. It is THEM that will be paying heavily, them that will get no retirement.

Things like this make me want to warn young people- I know you just are itching to break down walls..... this is good. But use your brain and examine which walls you break and what you have planned to replace them! Protesting or revolting just because it comes from "the government" can be foolish.

Vive La France!
Vive Le Pitchdragon!

Good luck my friend and stay safe.

Exactly.

People need to think - What is the point of bringing down the walls of tyranny in the name of democracy, then in the name of democracy building the walls of another tyranny ?


Re-painting the walls of the tyranny red instead of blue is not restoring liberty.


The 'revolutions' underway across Europe and the Middle East are not REVOLUTIONS unless they are based on returning national sovereignity and political power to the people and restoring the values of the nation or Republic -

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, Democracy and Identity.

France must become France again and restore political power to the French people by taking all political, economic and media power away from the bankers, corporate media and their political puppets.

The values of the Republic must be restored so that France may be reborn !

Then the bankers and the politicians must be put on trial.

The same REVOLUTIONS must be undertaken in all ouir nations - to remove the corrupt politicians, the banker vampires, the zionist fifth agents, the Islamist terrorists, the corporate media mind controllers, the global capitalists and the liberal left internationalist socialists - all must be removed from all positions of political influence.

All Power To The People,
All For One, One For All.

That must be our chant as we take our stands.

No revolution that allows the traitors who created the society we live, deserve to take power.

Nor will it - for any revolution that mouths the rhetoric of the left and right is an agent of the enemy itself.

THE REVOLUTION IS A NATIONAL REVOLUTION.

If you want to understand the revolution that is required then you need to study the document that defines and describes the problem and the solution.

It is written by Sub Commandante Marcos of The Zapatistas and is called The Seven Loose Pieces of the Global Jigsaw Puzzle ;


www.elkilombo.org...


As a world system, neoliberalism is a new war for the conquest of territory. The ending of the third world war - meaning the cold war - in no sense means that the world has gone beyond the bipolar and found stability under the domination of a single victor. Because, while there was certainly a defeat (of the socialist camp), it is hard to say who won. The United States? The European Union? Japan? All three?

The defeat of the "evil empire" has opened up new markets, and the struggle over them is leading to a new world war - the fourth.

Like all major conflicts, this war is forcing national states to redefine their identity. The world order seems to have reverted to the earlier epochs of the conquests of America, Africa and Oceania - a strange modernity, this, which progresses by going backwards. The twilight years of the 20th century bear more of a resemblance to the previous centuries of barbarism than to the rational futures described in science fiction novels.

Vast territories, wealth and, above all, a huge and available workforce lie waiting for the world’s new master but, while there is only one position as master on offer, there are many aspiring candidates. And that explains the new war between those who see themselves as part of the "empire of good".

Unlike the third world war, in which the conflict between capitalism and socialism took place over a variety of terrains and with varying degrees of intensity, the fourth world war is being conducted between major financial centres in theatres of war that are global in scale and with a level of intensity that is fierce and constant.

The ineptly-named cold war actually reached very high temperatures: from underground workings of international espionage to the interstellar space of Ronald Reagan’s famous "Star Wars"; from the sands of the Bay of Pigs in Cuba to the Mekong Delta in Vietnam; from the frenzy of the nuclear arms race to the vicious coups d’état in Latin America; from the menacing manoeuvres of NATO armies to the machinations of the CIA agents in Bolivia, where Che Guevara was murdered. The combination of all this led to the socialist camp being undermined as a world system, and to its dissolution as a social alternative.

The third world war showed the benefits of "total war" for its victor, which was capitalism. In the post-cold war period we see the emergence of a new planetary scenario in which the principal conflictual elements are the growing importance of no-man’s-lands (arising out of the collapse of the Eastern bloc countries), the expansion of a number of major powers (the United States, the European Union and Japan), a world economic crisis and a new technical revolution based on information technology.

Thanks to computers and the technological revolution, the financial markets, operating from their offices and answerable to nobody but themselves, have been imposing their laws and world-view on the planet as a whole. Globalisation is merely the totalitarian extension of the logic of the finance markets to all aspects of life. Where they were once in command of their economies, the nation states (and their governments) are commanded - or rather telecommanded - by the same basic logic of financial power, commercial free trade. And in addition, this logic has profited from a new permeability created by the development of telecommunications to appropriate all aspects of social activity. At last, a world war which is totally total!

Good luck to you all! We need to ge something like this started in times square! Let's get this revolution started! Not one man can change anything but we all could change something

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The people are more educated these days, much more informed and know how system and economy works.
Young people especially. The rebellions and upheavals around the world today are all natural thing, healthy i would say. Cause it is part of our evolution. Man always must strive to be better, smarter and free

Originally posted by CHeGuevara13
Good luck to you all! We need to ge something like this started in times square! Let's get this revolution started! Not one man can change anything but we all could change something

Do it today, I bet people will join you. Make an facebook page, and a livestream. We bump it here

post in the wrong thread, sorry

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We have a huge baby boomer population which will all be retiring aroudn the age of 50, a heavy financial load for the work force to support, considering people are living to be 80 to 100 years old. Thirty to forty years of a comfy retirement, paid by a smaller population equals no more retirement for the next generation.

By this I take it that you accept the current situation worldwide where 99% of the world's money is in the hands of a relative few; whilst the rest of us struggle to get by on the crumbs. The hard work we have all done has not gone to our own benefit, or to our own future, but for the most part it has fed the coffers of the super rich.

Quit suggesting that we need to squabble amongst ourselves for the scraps. There would be plenty of wealth to go around to ensure that every single person has a good quality of life were it not all being hoarded by a greedy few at the "top".

Faith in the 'revolution' is the 'rapture' of the secularists.

Neither will happen, as the people praying most fervently for them to happen, have no idea what either truly are.

A revolution from the left organised as a response to the failure of the right, is merely a revolution of the system.

The only revolution is the National Revolution.

Any so called revolutionaries waving the red flag of socialism are the enemies of liberty.

Any so called revolutionaries supporting global free market capitalism are the enemies of the national economy and hence the workers.

Capitalism must be replaced by the National Economy.

Socialism must be replaced with Localism, and power restored to the people not the political system.

Liberalism must be replaced with Liberty, for Neo-Liberalism is the anti-thesis of Liberty.

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Bonne chance de nous tous, les canadien français. Je vais faire suivre les nouvelles dont tu nous feras part. Soyez en sécurité.

Hopefully the protests come here. if that doesn't end then that'll only mean thing = armed insurrection.

It's funny how the rich think that those who want change are delusional. Do you realise that if you have a bank account you are part of 3% of the world who have one. 3%...think about it for a second. That leaves us seriously out numbered. May the ones that are delusional are the rich.

Bon chance! Vive la revolucion! Laissez les riche mangez la merde! Vous avez les forcehettes pour ca.

Sorry OP but this must be said - Beware the false revolutions!

It is easily spotted that TPTB have been behind every uprising in the ME...

Why should France be any different?

Think about it.

Good luck brother!
This world needs a change.

Go, Go, Go, until the impediment makes the collective change!

May Love, Light and Peace obtain your souls purpose.

S and F on this conscious collective thread!

my problem is, what if this is part of their plan..? I know that we can no longer sit idle on the side line waiting for somethng to happen but what if we are playing into their hands..?

Originally posted by wayno
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We have a huge baby boomer population which will all be retiring aroudn the age of 50, a heavy financial load for the work force to support, considering people are living to be 80 to 100 years old. Thirty to forty years of a comfy retirement, paid by a smaller population equals no more retirement for the next generation.

By this I take it that you accept the current situation worldwide where 99% of the world's money is in the hands of a relative few; whilst the rest of us struggle to get by on the crumbs. The hard work we have all done has not gone to our own benefit, or to our own future, but for the most part it has fed the coffers of the super rich.

Quit suggesting that we need to squabble amongst ourselves for the scraps. There would be plenty of wealth to go around to ensure that every single person has a good quality of life were it not all being hoarded by a greedy few at the "top".

I don't see that happening in France. I see about 60% of the people in this town are living off of unemployment, or disability. Disability is easy because you just ask your doctor to sign off that you are depressed- voila, you can stay depressed and living off the state for years. (that is what my neighbor has been doing for five years now.)

Every family (regardless of income level) gets an "allocation familial"- they get money each month from the state, according to how many kids they have. You don't have to pay any income taxes if you are making only minimum wage, you can get subventions for paying your rent, you have three years maternity leave per child paid (with legal guarantee of keeping your job). With all employees have the legal right to paid summer vacation, etc. etc. etc.

Those of us working are paying for the middle class. In France, the more money you make, the more you are taxed (the opposite of the US). The middle class is the majority. Some complain that this is why we don't have the filthy rich here like in the US- they get too affluent, they leave because they hit a ceiling. The complaint is that the most talent and skill ends up leaving because they cannot rise too high above the norm.

Already the ethics in this culture do NOT value individual merit- it is in fact almost taboo to suggest it, because that would make things unfair. The revolution they already had, and the socialist years inscribed the values in them deeply.

The way people here explain it to me (when I was new and trying to understand) was this-

"Look, we all pay taxes, and we take turns benefitting from it. I go on vacation for a few years, then when I go back to work, someone who was paying taxes all that time goes on vacation for a few years."

The money is circulating amongst the middle class- they take it from the rich, they take it from each other. There is no problems with homelessness. There isn't the huge population of poverty like we have in the US.

Do I think it best that thigns stay as they are? No. I think any country has it's weaknesses and its strengths. I think the government was doing the right in trying to find a way to save the younger generation from having to pay a bunch of 55 year olds to live high on the hog and take lots of voyages.

I think the kids fighting to have job security has been a mistake that hurts THEM. If an employer is obligated to give a kid a contract for ten years if they hire them- of course they will not be likely to take a chance on one. Just liek the way women fought for these great maternity rights? Now, many companies will not hire women. When you've already got three or four women on your payroll for years, for the same post, who left to have kids, you can't afford to hire another, and you just stop taking any more risks on them.


There just ISN'T the huge discrepency between rich and poor here. If I had it my way, I would encourage less of this fair distribution and a bit more focus on individual merit. Not have every employee get the same wage, so the one that works hard and diligently isn't paid exactly the same as the one that smokes cigarettes all day and drinks coffee while gossiping. I don't think that is "fair".

I think the socialized medicine is pretty well run, and I wonder what it will be like if the kids throw it all down and suddenly find out what it is like to need an operation and not be able to get it. Or have a family member get cancer and end up homeless trying to pay for treatment. We Americans know this experience. They do not.