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Joplin Missouri Hammered Hard by tornadoes!

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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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What I dont understand about these natural disasters is why people continue to live in these areas. Why on earth would you live in an area known to be frequented by tornados that are just going to blow your house to bits. I mean, what do you do, rebuild it each time and hope the next one misses? Sounds crazy.
Same as people living at the foot of volcanoes...or on the top of earthquake faults...surely it makes sense to go live somewhere safer....
Deepest condolenses goes out to anyone affected of course.




posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Well said and just as this thread is quickly moving to the bottom of the page so too the efforts to find survivors becoming clear. In other disasters we have seen in past, it becomes almost painfully apparent that rather than risk someone walking off with stolen goods from the wreckage, the survivors lay waiting until they die of natural causes such as dehydration/starvation and their injuries... Only then does the real work begin which is to go in with backhoes and bull dozers to remove the debris. But first it is always it seems a wait and see to give any potential survivors time to expire...



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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You will have to research this for yourself of course but there is no place 100% safe. Think of the families who have lived in Joplin for example for hundreds of years who have not been ripped apart by tornadoes. Family farms have been there for over a century and never been through this. Joplin is beautiful and was one of the better known towns in America to live and raise a family.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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Just found out my Ex and his Uncle and their crews will be going down to help with clean up. Heavy equipment. I just told the ex he should connect with you guys when they go.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Aerial shots of Joplin - before and after the tornado

www.nytimes.com...



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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well lets see except for today I'm up and headed into the damaged areas by 6am. I take my truck into the damaged areas to haul in water, food or any supplies that can be thrown in the back of the truck and take them where ever they need to go inside the damaged areas. then on my way out I go to my friends and families houses that were in the tornado and load up what belongs they have been lucky enough to find. then go right back to the places that are collecting donations of food water and other supplies and take them back into where every they need to be taken in the city, then bring out more friends and families belongings.

I have the inside information that I have because I know a lot of police, firefighters that live in joplin, some of them are family and most are just friends I've known for years. No i'm not a politcian or anything like that. The company i work for was damaged in the tornado and we've been told not to report for work.

And all do respect but you can have all the plans in the world but it doesn't mean a damn thing if you don't act on them! Today my truck is at the mechanic getting some emergency repair work done and as soon as the repairs are finished I will be right back out there helping friends and family.

I'm actually doing what i can to help people and then posting what info I have here after i have spent all day helping people which honestly is a hell of a lot more than your doing sitting on the outside complaining things aren't being done the way you think they need to be done. And some of the things your complaining about not being done would result in 100's more deaths than have already been reported so I'm glad they aren't doing what you think they should be doing.



Now as for information the only good news i have right now is a mix between good and bad news. there are officially 232 people still missing from a list of 1500 people unaccounted for. and the death toll is still 125



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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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where exactly would you have people live? there is no where on this planet that isn't susceptible to some kind of natural disaster.

I have lived in Joplin for over 30 years. all of my family is here and my family has been in the Joplin area for atleast a century! In 30+ years this is the first tornado to enter the center of Joplin. All the previous tornados hit less populated areas on the edge of Joplin and they were alot weaker than sunday's tornado. The last tornado to enter the center of Joplin was May 1973. almost 40 years ago.

May 2003 during a tornado outbreak tornados were close to the city of Joplin, But those tornados went north and south of Joplin and struck the smaller cities around Joplin and the big tornado that struck Pierce City Mo was in that outbreak.

May 2008 a tornado touched down and destroyed the town of Pitcher OK, that storm stayed on the ground and approached the southern part of the Joplin Metro area.

Tornados have been reported from coast to coast in the U.S. and they can form anywhere without warning so again where do you propose people live?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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People all seem to ignore the fact this tornado was an EF-5. How many EF-5 tornados rip through the countryside on a yearly basis. Not uilding in tornado prone areas is like saying dont build in flood prone areas or tsunami prone areas.

Here is a new before and after interactive map -

Before and After interactive map.
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Jasper county Sheriff's dept is searching the unpopulated areas east of Joplin on Horseback and ATV's

they have released a list of names of the missing.
full list of missing



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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First of all I would like to say Thank you to Antar for this thread and bringing everyone together. She is a beautiful compassionate person, and I am glad I know her.

Next, Burntheships, is just as beautiful and intelligent as Antar. She goes out of her way to tell the real story and always expresses herself with grace. Many would benefit from reading her threads. Because she has a strong opinion about something else, does not warrant these attacks.

Finally, I believe Merc., and Xcan, are probably running on straight adrenaline. We cannot imagine all the horror you are going through. For what you are giving of yourselves, I would like to say Thank you.

Realizing this is such a difficult situation, and one that has never been encountered before, we must understand that things are not going to run perfectly. I am in agreement with Clouds and getreaadyalready, There seems to be a lot of wasted time. That is my opinion and that is okay. No one is attacking the First Responders, but you must realize there is a lot of confusion and some things such as search and rescue need to be stepped up.

To say if we don't like it we can get in our car and come down there is not helpful at all. Please realize we are feeling your pain and we would do anything we can to help. I would leave today if possible, and believe me I have given the idea a lot of thought. This is the only way we can express our feelings toward the urgency we are feeling for all the people in Joplin.

Personal attacks need to stop. They are very hurtful and just divide us. We are in this with you and will be here for you when you need us.

Thanks for listening,
Pax



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Mercenary2012
Jasper county Sheriff's dept is searching the unpopulated areas east of Joplin on Horseback and ATV's

they have released a list of names of the missing.
full list of missing


unfortunately, and i know this is on a very sad note and don't want seem heartless, but at the speeds and the compression of the moving debris, most biological material would be pulverized and liquefied not unlike a blender and no physical remains will be found, unfortunately


lets just pray that the missing were lucky to not have been around and will soon be found happy and healthy and for all the unfortunate souls, god bless every one of them and may they quietly rest in peace.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by anumohi

unfortunately, and i know this is on a very sad note and don't want seem heartless, but at the speeds and the compression of the moving debris, most biological material would be pulverized and liquefied not unlike a blender and no physical remains will be found, unfortunately



Give me a damned break...

We're discussing real lives, not a fantasy of yours. That is NOT what happens genius. You want to sensationalize it any more and cause more heartache to those who have lost friends and loved ones here by some complete nonsense you pull out of your ass? DO you realize there are several us here that are first responders and medical professionals and know different?? What kind of sick freak comes up with something like that and then has the NERVE to post it knowing those suffering this tragedy are on this thread and lurking?!


Good GOD... ATS has went straight to hell lately.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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I'm sorry I'm not seeing this wasted time some are complaining about. they are sending search teams into the damaged areas every 20 minutes from different staging areas 24 hours a day. they are organizing the search teams and sending them to specific areas to search so there isn't 600 people searching the same house while thousands of other house are unsearched. they aren't sending civilian volunteers in mass into the damage zone for the simple fact is it is extremely dangerous in the area and they wanted certified search and rescue personal to make the initial searches of the most dangerous areas.

Now those same people that are complaining that enough isn't being done would be leading the witch hunt if there was no organization to the search and rescue efforts and hundreds more people were killed because of it. they would also be leading the witch hunt if those untrained searches got themselves hurt or killed in the damage zone because the city just let anyone go anywhere they want to search.

again they organized and are continuing to organize the searches so the don't have 600 people tripping over each other searching the same house. I'll also add that they have teams responding all across the damage zone searching houses and buildings if anyone calls the EOC or flags down a searcher and says people are trapped at X location.

I understand people want to help i understand that people are frustrated because they think enough isn't being done to find people but everyone that doesn't live here and haven't been to different areas in the damage zone have no clue whats really going on and honestly they are just adding to the frustration and confussion! they may have good intentions and i hope they find all of the missing people alive but in reality and officials have already said that their will be overlap of the list of the missing and the confirmed dead so the death toll will more than likely continue to go up. no one is giving up hope but everyone is preparing themselves for the worst that is going to come in the next few days.

and yes your right we are working on pure adrenaline. and little if any sleep. and i can only speak for myself but i have seen things in the debris that no person should have to see. I don't talk about it because honestly there are no words to even come close to describing what i have seen. So you'll have to excuse me if i take it a little personal when some people sit behind their monitor and complain things aren't being done the way they think they should be done. esspecially considering i have been out helping the people of joplin since just after the tornado hit and they are sitting in the comfort of their home and haven't done a thing to help anyone they may say they have plans, but plans that aren't acted on won't do anyone any good!

and if people are complaining about wasted time because getreadalready's brother was turned away when he tried to volunteer I have figured out why he was turned away. its not because he has an out of state emt license its because he's not available to start searching until he gets off work in the afternoon. and by then they have all the teams that are going into the damage zone for that day already formed from the group of people that are at MSSU every morning at 8am ready to go right then to search.
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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i found this link on Mercy's website. these are pictures taken by someone that works for St. Johns.
St. Johns pictures



Found a link to currently 2 stories from staff that was at St. John's hospital when the tornado hit. warning some of the stories are graphic.
personal stories



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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That would be my roomate who took the photos...


On a good note the very first name on the missing list has been rmeoved. The 75 year old grandmother was found safe and sound, sitting in a chair in the front of where her house use to be, petting her cat who also survived.

1 down, 231 more to go.

Death toll increases to 125, with over 900 injured from the storm.

The 1500 people reported missing, as mercenary alrady pointed out, has been widdled down to the 230+. Cell / phone services are still spotty throught the city, depending on what area you are in.

Power has been restored and crews are still working on affected areas.

Obama will be in town on Sunday and will be on the ground touring damage so plan ahaead about where you need to go etc as security will be tight and roads will be blocked.

@paxnatus
Thank you for pulling us back down a little bit and putting some things in perspective.

As far as search and rescue goes, its been changed to search and recovery. After the storm hit people responded to their neighbors to help get people out of their destroyed houses. The reason some of the search and rescue concentrated on businesses is because of the level of damage in those buildings and the lack of "neighbors" who could dig through rubble. Its daunting enough trying to dig through debris of a house.

Its something else entirely when its a 20k+ square foot store with commmecial grade material used in construction. The higher concentration of people in those stores was the main factor in concentration at the outset. When bad storms like this come through smaller communities, people will head for commercial buildings because of construction being newer.

A lot of the destroyed houses in Joplin occured in the older sections of town. Newer construction was destroyed as well, but not nearly to the extent of the older homes. I was finally able to drive North on Main street from 32nd, and after a few blovks (coming up on the McDonalds and PIzza Hut, ithe area of town is leveled. Even trying to make homes out is difficult, as they look more like place where debris is being depositied. In some of hese ares the only thing left to denote it was a neighborhood are the roads and driveways.

There are some more positive signs popping up, and that is the number of businesses that are reopening. There is also construction already underway on some damaged businesses so they should be back up and operating in the next few weeks.

Cleanup has begun in earnest in several areas, and the city is arranging for major debris removal from these areas as they push forward. The Joplin school superintendant has already announced summer classes, as well as classes for the 11-12 school year. While they lost 4 major buildings, they are not letting that deter them, and have announce the classes to give themselves goals to work towards.

The graduating class from Joplin school district opted to donate the money they raised for their graduation party / celebrations to those who need it in the city who were affected by the tornados.

The permit fisaco has been scrapped, and the city has stepped up patrols through affected areas to deter looting. The morgue issue is also being dealt with, and families are now able to visually see loved ones instead of jsut being notified now. There were reasons for just notification, but it was causing a lot of issues with closure, and coupleing that wih the loss of houses, jobs etc it was enough to break the camels back.

@ Mercenary - After going through most of the photos, there are some present he didnt take. He also didnt upload them to flicker (went to Mercy and his Facebook page), so someone else snagged em and posted em. KY2 news from Springfield managed to evade the security and police officers at the Hospitl and snuck into the building to take pictures. They got about 20-30 before they got caught and were escorted off property.

Of all the days for KY3 to be bold, happened to be the day KC Metro SRT was augmenting St. Johns Security personnel, so needless to say KY3 got a stern warning from them as well.

As was pointed out, and argued about in other threads, emergency response is not perfect, and it will never be. Trying to juggle the needs of the communicty against public safety as well as individual safety is difficult. People forget that the city does not come to a stop, and large portions of the city were not affected, so 911 calls / calls for service are ever present.

They are doing the best job they can with the resources present.. Please keep this is mind before hitting the post buttion.

Thanks
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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You really do not know what I am doing behind this computer screen. So enough of the slams and insult. Now on a human to human level, I can feel your pain and understand the need to continue doing all you can to help your family friends and community. I commend you for doing all you can and are sorry to hear about the truck problems.

As has been already stated, there is no way I would want to hurt anyones feeling or create a scapegoat for frustration, confusion or anger by stating anything but support to everyone in the Joplin area who have their boots on the ground and experiencing first hand the worst tragic disaster imaginable.

I am not your enemy, and will serve your community best from where I am and not become one of the onlookers and potentially in the way.

Please keep us informed from your birds eye view and personal experiences, we just cant allow this to be brushed under the rug in order to keep people going about their daily lives. I realize you are right there, but for the rest of the country out of sight out of mind. can you recall just a few short weeks ago the tornadoes that ripped through 5 states? From your current experience, can you imagine being forgotten in just a few short weeks?

That is our focus for our neighbors in Joplin. We will take care of you as best we can from our county, we are doing all we can to send donations of food, shelter, money, medical supplies and volunteers as allowed.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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This is good news, we will all be hoping for them to find survivors alive and to help with recovery of the deceased.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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This is good news, we will all be hoping for them to find survivors alive and to help with recovery of the deceased.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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Not sure if anyone else is watching CNN at the moment..

if not, they just aired a segment called, "Can we control the weather?"

They discussed how governments have used new technology to seed clouds in order to make rain, create snow, and calm winds...

Then they started talking about the recent tornados and how they can 'aim to make them less deadly in the future;.

OMG...they are talking about this stuff on freakin' CNN?????????



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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After a day of frustration with my employees search for a loved one and demanding to speak to the top officials of FEMA and the Red Cross for answers…….it led to a phone call from the physician over the morgue…………….

If you were at MSSU this afternoon after the news conference you would have heard her voice which I thinks represents all those families who are seeking answers………

Below are the numbers provided by the morgue below…………..They say they can identify 10 bodies a day………but yet they have only identified 8………….

The numbers do not add up and there is more to her story from talking to the officials ……..but for now here are the numbers given by the morgue………for those interested


128 bodies in the morgue
125 counted as being “dead”
8 have been identified
200+ being reported as missing………….

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