Explosions and gunfire at Pakistan Airforce base

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
I'm on the fence to motive.. could be to prevent the Orion tech from falling into other hands..

and I am trying to work out why the Taliban would want to put a really obvious hole in Pakistans Southern defences...

But at this point I am also reminded of operation Mincemeat(or the man who never was)

I'm thinking it time to step back and have a real good look to see what other hands might be doing....

remember the Chinese national that is a hostage ??
He's not working or researching US Gov Property
while in custody is he ???

Now why would the Paks invite China to Karachi
where 3 P3C's and the tail rotor section of a US Stealth
helo were ???

Covert military espionage

the CIA, errr I mean the Taliban found the
Chinese working on US Aircraft.
And quite possibly sending that data
back to Beijing.

I'll buy it! I believe it has everything to do about that stealth Heli!

Aviation Concepts anyone.....Nice UH-60 tail section. UMMMM..not an Alpha model, not an Lima Model, not MH, sooooooooooo what is it?

Im sure we dont want the chinese snoopin around in it. because if the frame work looks like that, then i know the avionics and countermeasures, engine management have also been upgraded!

sophisticated weaponry.hmmmmmm???? we will never know.

this may very well end like " sorry, thanks for letting us get our aircraft section back. We owe you. Sooooooo how much money would you like to make the specifics about this operation go away? hmmmmmmm"......lol

When we speak about the PTB and the NWO I tend not to forget the ancient roots of those notions. Greece is considered the foundation of the Western world and the founders of our Western Democracies. The first Military Industrial complex of the West if you will. Well Alexander the Great's conquests took him to an area roughly analogous with modern Pakistan. If they are into creating instability in the area they would seem to be going along tried and tested routes. Let's hope that my reading of it is way of base and it's an internal problem.

As per sky news as we speak, it says that they have them pinned to one building and will either kill or capture. I think they will be killed as that way, there can be no leak over who they were working with or what the real agenda was.

Why attack the base (s) and not really have a public agenda apart from avenging OBL?

I find it STAGGERING that the lack of MSM this is getting.

This is a full on attack on the main part of both the Naval and Air Force of a Nuclear armed country.

This is not just another Suicide bomber but the hints of a start of a Coup or a revolution in one of the most dangerous parts of the world.

This is not like the libyan conflict etc, pakistan is major world power in all aspects and its very military is under attack.

Are there Nuclear weapons at this Base?

This is the most important attack by "islamic extremists" since the embassy bombings in Africa years ago.

MSM bada badda badda Obama is a descendant of a Irish man?

WTF.

Elf

reply to post by MischeviousElf


There has been coverage of this in the MSM, there aren't a lot of new developments to report right now... And a lot of US news networks and affiliates tend to rely on their "inside sources" at the Pentagon before reporting on events like this, especially when it may involve a region, operation or sensitive issues where US security objectives are in play.

If the Pentagon feeds them new information on this, they will report it.... Usually starts like this...

"According to sources at the Pentagon"...

"Pakistani officials claim"...

Everything after those lines can be controlled this way.

European Media says it´s was the taliban and that they declared war to pakistan.

I wouldn't be as alarmed if they were trying to steal the Orions...but it is obvious their mission was to destroy the aircraft and possibly lose their life accomplishing this. This sounds like the groundwork for a larger attack, not the work of people avenging OBL's supposed death. Besides, we were made to think that Pakistan people in the know were actually helping hide Bin Laden...so why would his people seek revenge on the country that harbored him? Makes no sense

So, attacks by Al-Q, could those really not be attacks by USA trying to make their invasion of Pakistan look needed???

Then USA can say, look you have all these terrorists and you do nothing about it, therefore we will ...

After all, Mr. O to the Bama already said he would go for other terrorists in Pakistan like they did for OBL!!!

Here's Pakistan Naval Air Order of Battler for anyone interested. It appears they had 4 P-3C Orion's, with five more to be delivered. They still have a variety of maritime patrol craft.

www.defence.pk...

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by bsbray11
The US probably are the terrorists.

We fund extremist Muslims too. We even fund Pakistan's ISI.
Have since the 1970s at least...

and they are funding Hamas and Hezbollah also
since the 60's and 70's when Obama's
Grandaddy Stanley Armour Dunham
worked with the CIA in Lebanon.
And his grandmother Madelyn worked
for the Bank of Hawaii who was the CIA front
pushing the funds to those networks.

Not doubting you, but is this truly confirmed?

Via Reuters, looks like it's over. Saying there were SIX attackers, four killed, two probably escaped "conveniently".

news.yahoo.com...

At the end of the day, no one really know what is ACTUALLY going on.

There are severe rifts in the military elite (those pro-money/usa vs. pro-pakistan). Those sent in to invade the airbase could be commandos from another military General (being paid by the USA) to crack down an opposing military General.

Especially given that it was in South Pakistan where the so-called 'Taliban' are in the North.

There is an internal battle in Pakistan but the mainstream media will play it the way they want for dumbo Americans.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
I find it STAGGERING that the lack of MSM this is getting.

This is a full on attack on the main part of both the Naval and Air Force of a Nuclear armed country.

This is not just another Suicide bomber but the hints of a start of a Coup or a revolution in one of the most dangerous parts of the world.

This is not like the libyan conflict etc, pakistan is major world power in all aspects and its very military is under attack.

Are there Nuclear weapons at this Base?

This is the most important attack by "islamic extremists" since the embassy bombings in Africa years ago.

MSM bada badda badda Obama is a descendant of a Irish man?

WTF.

Elf

it is like full scale covert war between Pakistan and the US. I think US might have lost Pakistan forever.

Pakistan’s Chinese Gambit

Posted on 05/23/2011 by Juan Cole

Pakistan’s relations with the United States are troubled, and Islamabad may be turning to China as a result. Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani just ended a 4-day visit to Beijing, which turned into a love fest. The visit commemorated 60 years of Sino-Pakistan relations. (China has been a key Pakistan ally in the latter’s struggle with India over issues such as Kashmir).

The US incursion against Pakistani sovereignty in the Abbotabad raid on Usama Bin Laden’s compound set off a round of condemnations on both sides. The US charges that Pakistan backs some factions of “Taliban” such as the Haqqani Network based in North Waziristan, which strikes at the Karzai government and US & NATO troops across the border in Afghanistan. There is popular pushback against US drone strikes on Pakistani soil. The relationship was further soured by the Raymond Davis case, in which a CIA operative shot two Pakistanis dead in broad daylight in Lahore and then a US extraction team from the consulate ran over another Pakistani and killed him trying frantically to save Davis from arrest (in which they failed).

Pakistan wants China to build for it a naval base at Gwadar, a deep water port now managed by Singapore, but to which Chinese engineers and Chinese capital made key contributions. (There are 10,000 Chinese working in Pakistan nowadays.) The port was 75% financed by China.

When the lease on the port ends, China is being asked to step in to manage it. Pakistan is offering itself to China, in other words, as Hong Kong West. If China has standing access to the new naval base for its own growing fleet of military vessels, that opening would give it a new position in the Arabian Sea near the strategic Persian Gulf, which has nearly two-thirds of the world’s proven petroleum reserves and a significant amount of natural gas, as well.

www.juancole.com...

As this might signal a new normal of American operations worldwide. Where seals officially can't another outfit nicknamed [insert name here] for ex. Al Queda can.

Originally posted by bg_socalif
Via Reuters, looks like it's over. Saying there were SIX attackers, four killed, two probably escaped "conveniently".

news.yahoo.com...

Sky News is also reporting it's over, though they have different numbers:

The Pakistani Taliban has said it was behind an attack on a Karachi military base that has claimed at least 12 lives and destroyed aircraft. Up to 20 militants stormed the Mehran naval air base in the southern city, starting fires and setting off explosions. It triggered gun battles with more than 100 commandos inside one of the country's most heavily guarded military installations. After 16 hours of fierce fighting Pakistani forces regained control of the base killing all the attackers, a security official said.

LINK: Sky News Story

As others said, we will really never know what happened. But it seems very unlikely that 6 Taliban fighters successfully invaded and held part of one of the most secure Pakistani military bases against 100 Pakistani commandos for 16 hours. It seems obvious there is far more to the story.

According to a report on France24, (with film),

www.france24.com...

the attack was at a military base a dozen miles outside of Islamabad in the north of the country. Responsibility for the attack has been claimed by a recognized spokesperson for the Taliban, Ehsanullah Ehsan. The attack was carried out in revenge for the death of Osama bin Laden and to show that the Taliban are still strong and united.

"C'est pour venger la mort du martyr Oussama ben Laden. C'est la preuve que nous sommes toujours unis et puissants", a dit à Reuters Ehsanullah Ehsan, un porte-parole des taliban, joint par téléphone.

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Pakistani troops drive past a wreckage of a gutted aircraft at Pakistan Navy base in Karachi, Pakistan on Monday, May 23, 2011. Pakistani commandos regained control of a naval base Monday from a team of Taliban militants who had attacked then occupied the high-security facility for 18 hours, dealing a bloody and humiliating blow to the military.

ABC

reply to post by makeitso

More than one attack must have happened. (I haven't read the entire thread.) There definitely has been an attack, reported on today, (May 23) near Islamabad in the north..

Originally posted by ipsedixit
According to a report on France24, (with film),

www.france24.com...

the attack was at a military base a dozen miles outside of Islamabad in the north of the country. Responsibility for the attack has been claimed by a recognized spokesperson for the Taliban, Ehsanullah Ehsan. The attack was carried out in revenge for the death of Osama bin Laden and to show that the Taliban are still strong and united.

Interesting, so the Taliban claimed responsibility... But what was the leader of the Taliban doing in Pakistan, and why did the ISI warn him to GET out??

news.yahoo.com...

Omar, the one-eyed, reclusive leader of militant Islamists with a $10 million bounty on his head is known for his strict adherence to Sharia law and hard line on women's rights. He is said to have vanished up to five days ago.
"We can confirm that he has been disappeared from his hideout in Quetta, (the capital of the southwestern Pakistani province) Baluchistan," said Lutfullah Mashal, spokesman for the National Directorate of Security (NDS).
"He has been disappeared from his location during the last four to five days," he added, speaking in English. "So far we cannot confirm the killing of Mullah Omar officially."

And...

"Based on ISI instruction" through former ISI chief Hamid Gul, Mullah Mohammad Omar was told to move from Quetta to the tribal district of North Waziristan, which borders Afghanistan, the source said.
"As Mullah Omar was being transported from Quetta to North Waziristan by the ISI, he was secretly killed by the ISI."

If Omar was working with the ISI, and the Pakistani military, they needed him to be "disappeared"



Curiouser and curiouser.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Curiouser and curiouser.

edit on 23-5-2011 by Fractured.Facade because: (no reason given)

You said it. It is really hard to believe what goes on in that country's political theatre. The place is like a black hole of intrigue.

It just occurred to me that "Mad Mullah Omar" might well have been next on the list of people the Seals would most like to visit. Maybe they enjoyed the burial at sea so much they wanted to do it again. The ISI might have gotten wind of it and decided that one freebee was enough for the Seals.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Pakistan as a whole is just a pawn in a very high stakes game between the major super powers... The frightening implications of that, and the potential outcome here will likely change everything.

Chasing the irrefutable proof and intelligence gathering is a top priority now for the CIA in Pakistan, second securing their nuclear facilities and weapons... Later comes occupation and regime change possibly.

The Chinese will be very displeased.