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To add to that post above; tell me again what sins I have committed that I should feel gratitude to Jesus for erasing? What kind of psycho would let their child take the rap and the punishment, when they themselves are the root cause and at fault? How is that supposed to make me feel grateful to a crazy God?
Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by mydarkpassenger
According to the Bible, the only time someone can get baptized is when they are age 20 and older. That is the age God considers you guilty for sin. You may check the old testament if you like to confirm what i'm saying. The Catholic church baptizes babies have no idea what they are doing. All they are doing is washing those babies clean.
When you get baptized properly, in Jesus Christ name, age 20 and upward, all your past sins are forgiven. Not all sins you will ever commit. That is the doctrine that Christianity is teaching! That's wickedness. But once you get baptized in Jesus Christ name, like Paul said in Romans 6:1-4, and Romans 6:15-16, you have to walk in newness of life. That means keeping the laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus. You must have faith, AND works to get into the kingdom. The Christian church is teaching you can do whatever you want, as long as you confess the Lord as your savior with your mouth. But that is NOT what the scriptures say.
King James Version (KJV)
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
Every religious christian post seems to presuppose that we are born with certain black marks against us called "sins"; how is that supposed to happen? How is a newborn baby a sinner who will go to hell if it dies a moment or two before some idiot can splash water on it and mumble a few mis-pronounced latin phrases?
Wow, so many straw men burning at once!!
1. Newborns don't go to hell.
2. Baptism doesn't save anyone, nor is it necessary for salvation. (See: Thief on the cross)
3. Latin phrases don't save anyone.
If you want a list of laws to keep to justify yourself to God there are 613 listed in Exodus and Leviticus. If you can keep them all up till your death you'll be able to walk up to the throne in heaven and say "Move over, now there are two of us."
I'd really suggest "plan B" though, it's free and takes a few seconds of prayer on your knees.
Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
reply to post by SaberTruth
So you would worship a God who would cherry-pick a scenario where his / her creations could not possibly win? And that would provide some excuse for that God to penalize them?
That is no God I would worship; and NOT the God that created me.
Mine has proved real in the power of steel and the virtues to protect the helpless. Your son of God was nailed up upon a cross; My God's son carried a hammer, and struck down those who would pretend to be the voices of God.
There is an alternative way of interpreting the scenerio, which is that God did not plant that certain tree. It does not say He did, it says God planted a garden, and in the midst of it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It does not say he put it there, just that it was there, just like it does not explain where the serpent came from or why it was able to speak like a human. A possible reason for the omission could be that the scribe was trying to be respectful to the one who was given the same name as their national god. It may have been considered rude to point out that their god was not able to stop the serpent from putting that tree there, or to be able to keep the serpent out. God said that eventually a man will come along who would kill the serpent. Then in the Book of Hebrews, the writer says that Jesus came for the purpose of killing Satan. So, why could God not have just killed Satan, out right, a long time ago? There was some sort of mystery here that the scribes had no answer for, and so the ambiguity. Well we know, now, that Jesus had to die, himself, first. It could be that it was necessary to keep it rather secret, until after the fact, for the events to play out, to where it became obvious of how evil Satan was, and how killing him would be a righteous act.
. . .Jahveh (be he a real demon or fictive) orchestrating a scenario,. . .