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US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack

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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Your post makes sense, but I really do question how much of Pakistans double dealing actually serves us.

In other words, it sure seems to me that we maintain a lot cozier relationship with Pakistan than we do many other countries down there who do things we dont like, and it really makes me wonder how much of what goes on in Pakistan involves our own covert operatives keeping people in Pakistan they want to use for other things.

I dont trust our people enough to know for a fact that Pakistan is double dealing us, in other words. Too often it seems like our own government is double dealing in the mid east. Both supporting and decrying "terrorists" whenever it suits them.




posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Dr UAE

Originally posted by lpowell0627
Ok...if Iraq was all about oil, and according to you so is Libya, care to share where exactly all the oil from Iraq is now?


surely this will electrify anyones brain cells to start and think what is it all about.




As a result, corruption has become embedded in Iraq's political system to a worse extent than during Saddam Hussein's regime, according to Jaffe. "Without oil meters and control systems, there is built up a whole black market. There are different groups that can control that flow," she says. "They can pay off politicians. They can pay off government officials and government inspectors. There are people inside the system now who are making personal, individual money, or their insurgency group or their political party is making money from corruption, from smuggling, from black market activities. So they are against instituting the kinds of procedures it would take to close all this down."


say it aint so worst than before we went in lol the country is a wreck. Libya too couldnt have an sharia bank that didnt charge interest backed by a gold dinar. Bad enough the socialism I mean they nationalized their oil commie jerks buying homes for their people better schools and tons more without having to tax them to death...
Yep no wonder TPTB took him out lol at how fast the opposition got their own bank
now the assets yep how's that ever been done before?
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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Pakistan doesnt have ICBMs. So again, how do they attack the US?



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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You are right. After the American taxpayer was robbed of over $ 1 trillion on the war in Iraq the oil contracts went to China. Does anyone actually believe China would attack the US it has too much money invested the our well being. Personally I believe the US military is nothing more than the worlds mercenary army which at the moment is at China's beck and call.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Pakistan doesnt have ICBMs. So again, how do they attack the US?


China does... So does India remember the BRICS ? Would they I dont know for sure a lot of bad blood between the two but even more with us...



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by watchitburn
The US always has Carriers in the Gulf. There is an entire fleet based in Bahrain.

It would be stupid for the US to get in another war, with anyone.

I'm not much for famous people quotes, but here's one from Forest Gump, "stupid is as stupid does"



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Couple of thoughts on this:

- none of this seems substantiated. It is a #sourcessay type of scenario. It is funny how things that may or may not happen are milked for their maximum media exposure. Just a tad bit of innuendo is enough to start the chain of memetics rolling.

- if we ended up going to war with China, the US would have to be VERY careful about how they proceed at home. We have a large Chinese population, and given the way the Japanese were treated in WWII while in America it is not far fetched to think that there might be some sort of "crackdown". It all depends on how the gangs (Triad type) perceive the war, and what side they choose.

But what hangs in the balance is that Americans themselves are very tired, very angry, and will not take much more pushing from their Government. Yet, if the US is involved in another war with China (even if it is proxy via Pakistan), there will not be much left to defend the homeland from an uprising.

It may be our chance to reclaim our country.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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You had me till the word "homeland."



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Finally waking up to what was about to happen?

Yeah, and all of that!

Too bad their plans to stage attacks, and use Al Qaeda have failed... For them, good for those of us living in the USA... Now you must locate, isolate and destroy the cells in place before mid June, or at the soonest possible moment... The clock is still running, a plan set in motion.

Good luck.


Pakistan is now the greatest threat to the USA, don't waste any more time on diplomacy, its time to do something dramatic.




posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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You had me till the word "homeland."



Yeah...guess my programming is still slipping by me every now and then.

but "motherland" is africa, and "fatherland" was Nazi Germany....



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Pakistan is now the greatest threat to the USA, don't waste any more time on diplomacy, its time to do something dramatic.





Actually our finanicial issues such as the federal debt and the money we continually send out via imports (electronics, oil) are far more of a threat than terrorism. Not minimizing terrorism, but foreign terrorists can not destroy the US economy, but the debt can.

I would agree that Pakistan is a threat though, and I would argue that they are the epicenter for terrorism today. Its too bad we recently gave them a lot of new shiny Block 52 F-16Cs however and a lot of nice technology, because if we drop them like they deserve to be dropped, they will just hand it over to other countries.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627
Ok...if Iraq was all about oil, and according to you so is Libya, care to share where exactly all the oil from Iraq is now?


Secured in U.S dollars.. That's where it's at Mr. Powell.




Anyone read the part where China is giving India 50 fighter jets?... Wonder if they come with a Chinese pilot.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420

Originally posted by lpowell0627
Ok...if Iraq was all about oil, and according to you so is Libya, care to share where exactly all the oil from Iraq is now?


Secured in U.S dollars.. That's where it's at Mr. Powell.




Anyone read the part where China is giving India 50 fighter jets?... Wonder if they come with a Chinese pilot.


China is not giving India anything, they are enemies. Maybe you meant Pakistan.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Pakistan is now the greatest threat to the USA, don't waste any more time on diplomacy, its time to do something dramatic.





Actually our finanicial issues such as the federal debt and the money we continually send out via imports (electronics, oil) are far more of a threat than terrorism. Not minimizing terrorism, but foreign terrorists can not destroy the US economy, but the debt can.


The debt and bad economy are only a component of a long term strategy to destroy the USA... If we do not take preemptive actions to secure the threat in place, then we are done.

There is far more going on here, but it will all be painfully clear soon, if steps aren't taken to mitigate these many problems, the potential for proxy attacks is still very high, there is no greater immediate threat, in my opinion.

China has everything to gain, and nothing to lose, Pakistan is just one of many stepping stones for them.

Do the right things before it is too late, expose the truth about Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and Pakistan's role in what is going on behind the scenes before it is too late.

Or do nothing, and hope nothing happens... Enjoy the show.

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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Pakistan doesnt have ICBMs. So again, how do they attack the US?


They have missiles capable of reaching the Arab peninsula, how many US bases are in the mid-east?

Its also not beyond the bounds of possibility for the Chinese to supply them with further reaching technology.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by MortlitantiFMMJ

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Pakistan doesnt have ICBMs. So again, how do they attack the US?


They have missiles capable of reaching the Arab peninsula, how many US bases are in the mid-east?

Its also not beyond the bounds of possibility for the Chinese to supply them with further reaching technology.


Well that could be attacking US forces, but thats not attacking the US.

Pakistan is not dare going to do that against middle eastern countries, because that would also be attacking those countries too. Pakistan is so dependent on foreign aid for that matter, and a lot of it comes from those countries.

They would not intiate a war with anyone, especially us. They just prefer to do it quietly, pretending to be out friend, while stabbing us in the back



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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time for the CIA to put on a false flag as al-Qaeda in hong kong... not promoting it but it would sure get a lot done.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by MortlitantiFMMJ

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Pakistan doesnt have ICBMs. So again, how do they attack the US?


They have missiles capable of reaching the Arab peninsula, how many US bases are in the mid-east?


They have nuclear weapons, the method of delivery and detonation are irrelevant now.

What is important, is who is going to be blamed for it, if efforts to stop it ultimately fail.

The clock is ticking away....



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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-hm.....perhaps China will have a big earthquake in the upcoming days???

I wish the americans could just calm it and stop attacking everyone. This isn't looking good from any angle.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Didn't we just attack on Pakistani soil with drones in the last few days? Does that mean that China is bluffing then?



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