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This Little Rant of Mine

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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
I find it interesting that you claim to be a christian sabertruth,yet you can dismiss the logic that someone might have to offer ,just because they can't write well.

If I claimed to be an expert in chess but didn't know how to spell "rook", would you take lessons from me? I hope not. Likewise, if someone claims to know logic enough to be my teacher, but can't even understand grammar, I don't believe their claim to expertise. It's just common sense.


So someone who can't read or write at all , has no wisdom to offer anyone?

I said NOTHING about wisdom. I'm talking about logic; not the same thing. Hopefully my response to your first sentence cleared that up. But keep in mind that people who are online here can read and write too.


You're not coming off as christian at all to me, just another selfrighteous a** ,who claims to have the answers.

As do you, who are coming off as my judge and jury and acting very self-righteous. Perhaps you would prefer that I were not allowed the same free speech you enjoy, such that even here in the Rant forum I must bow to your sensitivities. If you think Christians have to be doormats or punching bags, you are mistaken. Just look at what Jesus said to the Pharisees for example. I'm sure I don't need to tell you, since as an expert on how Christians are to behave you surely already know and I won't insult your intelligence... or presume to teach you.


Its christians like you who do more damage to that faith, then you realize.

It's anti-Christians like you who do more to display the hypocrisy of those who hate us than you realize.




posted on May, 23 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by SaberTruth

Originally posted by gabby2011
I find it interesting that you claim to be a christian sabertruth,yet you can dismiss the logic that someone might have to offer ,just because they can't write well.

If I claimed to be an expert in chess but didn't know how to spell "rook", would you take lessons from me? I hope not. Likewise, if someone claims to know logic enough to be my teacher, but can't even understand grammar, I don't believe their claim to expertise. It's just common sense.


So someone who can't read or write at all , has no wisdom to offer anyone?

I said NOTHING about wisdom. I'm talking about logic; not the same thing. Hopefully my response to your first sentence cleared that up. But keep in mind that people who are online here can read and write too.


You're not coming off as christian at all to me, just another selfrighteous a** ,who claims to have the answers.

As do you, who are coming off as my judge and jury and acting very self-righteous. Perhaps you would prefer that I were not allowed the same free speech you enjoy, such that even here in the Rant forum I must bow to your sensitivities. If you think Christians have to be doormats or punching bags, you are mistaken. Just look at what Jesus said to the Pharisees for example. I'm sure I don't need to tell you, since as an expert on how Christians are to behave you surely already know and I won't insult your intelligence... or presume to teach you.


Its christians like you who do more damage to that faith, then you realize.

It's anti-Christians like you who do more to display the hypocrisy of those who hate us than you realize.


I don't hate you at all..I don't even know you. There are many christians,that I admire greatly , and could teach me many things .

I dislike that you dismiss someone,and say they cannot have logic,because their spelling is inferior. It shows to me a superior attitude ,that I personally find unchristian.

Yes,I would take chess lessons from someone who could not spell 'rook" ,if his teaching methods showed insight into the game,and improved mine.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
I don't hate you at all..I don't even know you. There are many christians,that I admire greatly , and could teach me many things .

I was careful to say "those who hate us" and didn't come close to saying you hate me personally. FWIW, I don't hate you either, but I do hate double standards.


I dislike that you dismiss someone,and say they cannot have logic,because their spelling is inferior. It shows to me a superior attitude ,that I personally find unchristian.

When the topic is logic, and what I had in mind was the kind you can take college courses in, a person who can't spell is very unlikely to be the kind who can achieve expertise in that discipline. There are many amateur logicians, and I freely admit to being one of them. But anyone who presents themselves to me as my logic teacher must know it better than I do, so anyone making that claim certainly must have a basic mastery of language.

I see great irony in your charging me with a superior attitude, since you go on to label me "unchristian" without showing from the scriptures how I have violated Christian teachings. There are many who lift snippets out of context to argue the case, but as I mentioned concerning the way Jesus treated Pharisees, that's only half the story. So to charge me with arrogance is itself a very arrogant thing to do. To judge me as unchristian, you should be a better one than I am, and the only way you can do so is to be one and know the scriptures better than I do. For anyone to judge others, they first have to establish their right to do so, and you have not. For that reason you are guilty of the very superior attitude with which you accuse me.


Yes,I would take chess lessons from someone who could not spell 'rook" ,if his teaching methods showed insight into the game,and improved mine.

I wouldn't, and I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are of yours. It's a rant.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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I just call it how I see it sabertruth...and to me you are arrogant.

I am entitled to tha opinion ,as much as you're entitled to yours.

(sighs)..you remind me of a few christians that I know, and when I think of heaven being full of that kind of attitude, it make me sad, though I know it would be impossible to have such attitude in a perfect place of love.

But I know you are imperfect, and still have much to learn,as we all do...so heres hoping your superior attitude will change someday.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
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I just call it how I see it sabertruth...and to me you are arrogant.

Seeing that it's my rant, I'm pretty sure I can call it how I see it too. And of course I think you're arrogant as well.


(sighs)..you remind me of a few christians that I know, and when I think of heaven being full of that kind of attitude, it make me sad, though I know it would be impossible to have such attitude in a perfect place of love.

What attitude? The one that's just like yours? But you wouldn't want to be there anyway with the Jesus who said what he did to the Pharisees. He was allowed to rant too.


But I know you are imperfect, and still have much to learn,as we all do...so heres hoping your superior attitude will change someday.

I too hope that someday your superior attitude learns something.

Seriously, is this how it's going to go, just asserting at each other? It takes two to tango, you know. But you do nicely illustrate the point about people judging and being self-righteous against people they judge to be self-righteous. Another fine object lesson, thank you for that. :-D



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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I hope you realize that this is an international forum and that not all of the people who post here have English as their first language. I've noted that a great deal of people who have grammatical problems tend to have the exact ones I encounter when teaching English to foreigners.

It's easy enough to think that a person is stupid because they don't speak your language well...but I've met some civil engineers who had trouble with English grammar. Don't assume everyone on here is a native English speaker.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Again with the object lessons? The arrogance of dismissing points without actually addressing them is getting to be too much. Frankly, racking up false victories is the sort of thing that makes a person call you arrogant. I'd avoid doing so.

Granted, you're a creationist, what am I supposed to expect. (Oh, I'm using a logical fallacy there...eh, it's an informal one and we tossed logical discourse out the window a while ago in this thread)



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Just informing you,I'll stay off your rant..

There are more important things going on this world to be concerned about.

I feel ashamed that I wasted too much precious time on it already...I have a feeling you will feel the same some day.

( I can't believe you compared this rebuttal to jesus rebuking the pharasees?? All I pointed out was that I felt your attitude to people who couldn't write the english language well,did not reflect a christian attitude..next thing I know I'm a pharasee??? Where is the logic in that?? )




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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
I feel ashamed that I wasted too much precious time on it already...I have a feeling you will feel the same some day.

I already know I wasted too much precious time trying to show that my critics here do exactly what they say I do. Good to know that will stop now.


( I can't believe you compared this rebuttal to jesus rebuking the pharasees?? All I pointed out was that I felt your attitude to people who couldn't write the english language well,did not reflect a christian attitude..next thing I know I'm a pharasee??? Where is the logic in that?? )

I did NOT compare you to a Pharisee. Show me the evidence or retract your accusation.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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I take that accusation back....and apologize for my confusion.

What you did write was that I would probabaly not like a Jesus, who ranted at the pharisees.

Quite contrary actually, Jesus was all about calling out deep corruption ,and hypocricy..in his what you refer to as "rants".

Never once in the times I have read the bible, do I ever hear jesus "ranting " about the poorly educated, or the ones who were perceived as less "logical" because they did not have good written command of a language.

Your "logic"still stinks ..and I bet your Jesus would agree with me..!!!



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
[ I take that accusation back....and apologize for my confusion.

No problem. :-)


Quite contrary actually, Jesus was all about calling out deep corruption ,and hypocricy..in his what you refer to as "rants".

In this context, yes. The point is that he wasn't all sweetness all the time; there is a time for rebuke and confrontation as well as soothing and healing. A good shepherd, to use one of his favorite illustrations, has to tell sheep from wolves and know which ones to nurture and which ones to beat off. So if Jesus does both, then according to the position you've been arguing, you wouldn't like him. But now you seem to indicate that there are times for being negative or confrontational, so it's not reasonable to expect his followers to always be positive.


Never once in the times I have read the bible, do I ever hear jesus "ranting " about the poorly educated, or the ones who were perceived as less "logical" because they did not have good written command of a language.

This is a straw man, as I've been trying to explain. I said that I was referring to logic as an academic discipline, such that anyone who purports to be my logic teacher needs to first demonstrate their superior knowledge of it. That is ALL I said in my rant. I don't know how else to clarify this.


Your "logic"still stinks ..and I bet your Jesus would agree with me..!!!

That is a very ARROGANT statement, most unloving, and the very attitude you've been flaming me for the whole time.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by SaberTruth

Originally posted by gabby2011
[ I take that accusation back....and apologize for my confusion.

No problem. :-)


Quite contrary actually, Jesus was all about calling out deep corruption ,and hypocricy..in his what you refer to as "rants".

In this context, yes. The point is that he wasn't all sweetness all the time; there is a time for rebuke and confrontation as well as soothing and healing. A good shepherd, to use one of his favorite illustrations, has to tell sheep from wolves and know which ones to nurture and which ones to beat off. So if Jesus does both, then according to the position you've been arguing, you wouldn't like him. But now you seem to indicate that there are times for being negative or confrontational, so it's not reasonable to expect his followers to always be positive.


Never once in the times I have read the bible, do I ever hear jesus "ranting " about the poorly educated, or the ones who were perceived as less "logical" because they did not have good written command of a language.

This is a straw man, as I've been trying to explain. I said that I was referring to logic as an academic discipline, such that anyone who purports to be my logic teacher needs to first demonstrate their superior knowledge of it. That is ALL I said in my rant. I don't know how else to clarify this.


Your "logic"still stinks ..and I bet your Jesus would agree with me..!!!

That is a very ARROGANT statement, most unloving, and the very attitude you've been flaming me for the whole time.


I'm not the one claiming to be a good christian,and flaming others for their poor grammar...now am I?

You still don't make sense to me ,saying Jesus knew which were wolves to beat off,and which were the ones to protect,as an excuse to jump all over me like I'm some wolf.

All because I dared call you arrogant,based of your judgement that someone who did not have written command of the english language, could never teach you anything.

(sighs)..lets just let this go sabertruth.

I did attack you..because what you said seemed unchristian,and unfair...now you are attacking me back..and I won't back down on how I see it.

Obviously you won't either..so theres no sense carrying this on.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
... poor grammar...

You still keep repeating this blatantly false charge after I've explained several times that I had an academic teaching situation in mind.

You keep charging me with being mean while excusing your own meanness, all based on this straw man you keep burning.

I give up.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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I give up as well ((((hugs))))



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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Judging someone by their grammar is
close minded

My grammar isnt perfect...

might be due to English being my second language?

So should I be ridiculed and my ideas dismissed... because I might be of a foreign tongue?

At least I try to communicate in English


I could start talking like this all the time... ha


Jag gillar att dricka kaffe

Jag gillar röka cigaretter

Grammatik nazisternas är onda.

Var inte en grammatik nazist




-Peace and Safety



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by EvolEric
Judging someone by their grammar is
close minded

Read my OP and show me where I was judging EVERYONE in EVERY SITUATION by grammar. Then read the conversation where I repeatedly explained that I had TEACHING LOGIC in mind.

No matter what your native language is, you don't presume to be someone's LOGIC INSTRUCTOR without knowing the language of the person you're presuming to teach.

Can anyone translate that into whatever languages they expect ME TO KNOW without being accused of arrogance?

But of course, this is the thread's JOKER, so it's all in fun.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 06:40 AM
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And what's really hilarious is how, out of 25 points, this ONE totally misinterpreted statement gets all the anti-Christians in a lather. Majoring on the minors is half of what's wrong in this world.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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I do believe that I addressed 21 different points, none of which you replied to. Of course, you'd rather claim that people who don't want to worship a Jewish zombie are 'up in a lather' over something when that was the only thing you bothered to respond to.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by SaberTruth
And what's really hilarious is how, out of 25 points, this ONE totally misinterpreted statement gets all the anti-Christians in a lather. Majoring on the minors is half of what's wrong in this world.


First off I'm not antichristian...I'm sick and tired of the certain christians on here who start wailing on about how everyone picks on them because of their faith. I for one would never pick on you because of your faith...I just found what you said to be offensive,and a put down to those of us who might not spell that well, for whatever reasons.

I find it offensive for anyone..christian or nonchristian to say someone might not have the capabilities of teaching LOGIC, because they have a few grammar mistakes. But for a christian who says he follows the words of christ,it seems even more bizarre to me.

Would I want them to teach me grammar and spelling...NO !!!!

But to say they do not have the capabilities of teaching LOGIC...is ridiculous,and totally illogical.

I really didn't want to start this up again saber,and i don't want to fight with you, but you need to be accountable for what you said,and quit making sorry a** excuses for it, and pretending we just don't understand what you meant.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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::facepalm::



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