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Topic started on 3-8-2004 @ 03:35 PM by Cardu
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Likely, I got no dubt at all. What about you people? ( microbial life.)
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reply posted on 3-8-2004 @ 04:25 PM by Quest
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It has deffinite potential to have life. The problem is that unless we could do detailed genetic testing on a sample, we can't tell if any life on
Mars came from Earth. So even if the next lander shows us nice microscopic images of microbes...people can still calim its not really alien.
The only landers to date that were sterile were the viking landers, since then we've been infecting the planet.
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reply posted on 3-8-2004 @ 04:29 PM by Jonna
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I believe that micro-life on Mars would force some close-minded people to accept that Earth and Earthlings are not as special as they would like to
believe, but I really don't think it will change that much in the long run. A couple of single celled aliens will not change our world dramaticly.
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reply posted on 4-8-2004 @ 01:29 AM by FreeMason
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I don't see why everyone believes that because you find a bacterium on some far off world...our world would "mentally" change.
Guess what, we've landed on the *snip* moon, and is there any change in our mentality? No.
We're still just as stupid, near-sighted and self-interested as we have always been and always will be.
I mean my God, we landed on the *snip* moon, THE MOON!!!!
You'd think Humanity would have "changed" completely from then on.
In fact, if anything, we're more like the decadent Romans than ever.
Finding bacteria on Mars, would probably make a bunch of people go "oh....wow..." then flip over to "Friends".
The only revelation humanity shall ever share as a whole, will be as a meteorite shatters our Moon into a million pieces which then rain down on the
Earth bringing certain death, and we know it is certain death because after this hell storm, the "real meteorite" is going to hit the Earth as what
hit the Moon was just a prelude.
Spice things up by making the meteorites be sent by Aliens...and that would be the only true time humanity would change.
I do think "Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy" capture it best, though it wasn't really stating this fact...
In that, just as soon as Humans discovered the meaning of life, Earth was destroyed to make way for an intergalactic highway.
What I think can really be drawn from that, other than life is a biatch...is that the only time humanity will truely discover the ultimate "meaning"
to everything, that final revelation that makes everyone perfect instead of evil and self-centered, is just before Humanity is obliterated.
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reply posted on 4-8-2004 @ 05:35 AM by Simcity4Rushour
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all I can say Its about TIME! back in 76 with viking everthing the on board exparment said Pointed to LIFE and befor you start yelling earth Viking
was the very First lander we put on mars . So even if viking its self had a few germs its most likly what viking found was mars life .
But to go farther I say it realy matters not if life from earth got to mars through viking or metors For one thing the oppsit Is much more likly as
mars being smaller and farther from the sun cooled faster so life would have started there then moved to earth through metors.Of corse it dident have
to be this way but it is looking more and more likly .
Now back to mars there will be lots of simalarites between mars life and earths life im sure but reguardless of that its still alian life because
the definican of alian life is life the dident come from earth and right at this moment a microb is reproducing and the new microb was born on mars
making it a (DARE I say it Making it a marchian. Akk little green slimmly things . Lolol
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reply posted on 4-8-2004 @ 10:21 AM by Kenshiro
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Just thought you all would like to read the following that was just posted on Wired.com:
A couple of years ago, when the Mars Global Surveyor was circling the Red Planet and beaming snapshots back to Earth, science fiction writer Arthur C.
Clarke lectured remotely to an audience gathered at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. Speaking from his home in Sri Lanka, Clarke
informed the crowd that the images he'd downloaded from NASA's Web site showed something growing on the planet's surface. "I'm quite serious when
I say I have a really good look at these new Mars images," Clarke said. "Something is actually moving and changing with the seasons that suggests,
at least, vegetation."
For more info on this article, here is the link: www.wired.com...
For the guy who concieved of the notion of satellites to say that he believes that the picyures were showing not only life but "moving and
experiencing saesonal changes" holds a lot of weight to it
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reply posted on 5-8-2004 @ 02:10 PM by FreeMason
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Simcity I don't know what crap you have read, but the Viking Landers showed conclusively that there was no organic reactions occurring at those
landing sites.
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reply posted on 8-8-2004 @ 04:07 PM by spacedoubt
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Freemason,
I'll have to agree about finding bacterium, on Mars.
Scientists, and others interested, will say WHOOPIE!!!.
But, as my wife said one day..."I thought they already found life on Mars."
She's a very smart lady, but is pretty blase about space related things.
It will be in the papers, but "LIFE GOES ON" so to speak..
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reply posted on 8-8-2004 @ 06:31 PM by sunspot
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We've been saturated with so many science fiction movies and television shows that we automatically assume that extra terrestrial life is going to be
in some intelligent form. This is not necessairly the case, but it wouldn't make the discovery any less extra-ordinary.
Even the simplest life form is an incredibly complex assortment of molecules - DNA. Finding other life, even the simplest in nature would give an
amazing insight into the orgin and evolution of life itself. ET life could be based on an entirely different set of genetic rules for instance, or
even chemical elements. Certainly nothing to be blase about
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reply posted on 9-8-2004 @ 02:41 PM by FreeMason
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Seriously, the only time Humanity will care about anything, is when we are being scrapped of the boot of something more powerful. It doesn't matter
what it is...can be an earthquake or tsunami or hurricane, or Alien invasion.
Unless we're dying by the millions and have to deal with it immediately, Friends is a more preferable alternative to caring. Other-wise we'd
already be living on Mars and in a sense proving there is life on Mars by simply being there.
No, we preferred instead to make a show about 6 or so idiots having sex with eachother and marrying eachother about a dozen times, that lasted longer
than the entire Apollo missions.
Doesn't that tell you anything about Humanity?
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reply posted on 10-8-2004 @ 12:23 PM by Cardu
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An "update" on space.com
www.space.com...
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reply posted on 10-8-2004 @ 12:35 PM by foxtrot_uniform
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Yeah im sure they have and will find small microrganisms or traces of them. I believe way way way before humans were inhabited on earth, that there
was once water, plants, maybe some kind of animals? Fish? I believe that Mars probably had a climate much like the saharra desert during its day and
climate like Antarctica at night. My therory is that extreme between hot and cold shocked the planet over time and made "life" diminish. Maybe
NASA will find fossils of bones. That would surely intrest me for about a week.  I agree that the news about space isnt that exciting compared to
what the people of the sixties and seventies experienced!
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reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 03:16 PM by vze2xjjk
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Sim,even though I'm 4 years too late for you,you left the other naysayers in the dust because you so nailed the actual reality of the situation about
life on Mars.Life visits the landers and rovers long after they become useless to us,because Mars has animals of all sizes like Earth and the very
tiny ones like the metalic monsters we send because they maintain heat and become a cozy micro-environment. Those tiny beings are getting radiation in
the process. I designed the Mars rovers 1987.There are people on Mars like us who wear clothes and tons of animals wherever a USA craft has
landed successfully to record them .Nasa masks the images you paid to see.That's where i come in.
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reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 07:19 PM by ArMaP
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You say NASA masks the images, but you haven't proved it.
If they do mask the images you can not unmask them, an image, once altered, there is no way of putting it has it was before unless you have the
original.
And if you designed the rovers you should be in a position to know that what you say is not possible.
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reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 09:07 PM by rikriley
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Originally posted by vze2xjjk
reply to post by Simcity4Rushour
Sim,even though I'm 4 years too late for you,you left the other naysayers in the dust because you so nailed the actual reality of the situation about
life on Mars.Life visits the landers and rovers long after they become useless to us,because Mars has animals of all sizes like Earth and the very
tiny ones like the metalic monsters we send because they maintain heat and become a cozy micro-environment. Those tiny beings are getting radiation in
the process. I designed the Mars rovers 1987.There are people on Mars like us who wear clothes and tons of animals wherever a USA craft has
landed successfully to record them .Nasa masks the images you paid to see.That's where i come in.

vze, did you design the rovers for NASA and JPL or for another company or on your own? Were you told about life on Mars when designing the rovers?
Do you know about the underground and above ground bases on Mars? Rik Riley
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reply posted on 29-2-2008 @ 03:18 AM by Astyanax
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Beg pardon. On second thoughts...
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 03:29 PM by vze2xjjk
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Hi ArMap,I have proved very clearly that Nasa masks the images by pointing at the most famous example this year of an item called a statue,that was
blacked out from detail.I went over this weeks ago.Then I presented an example of the same object in a different photo from same vantage point,the 3D
images which had been less or not at all tampered with(the answer I found out is "less" tampered with). I showed the 3D image showed clear detail of
facial features and body features,and vigorously posted it thru several threads to the point of spamming it.So you couldn't have missed it by now,the
comparison shots. If you choose to ignore my proof then that's your choice. I could present it again ad nauseum,but I'm sure others
would complain and rightly so that I was being a PEST. No, I'm just making a case against masking the images.It's a censorship issue for me.I gave
Nasa good designs that worked consistently and held up better than expected.The payoff is seeing the fruits of my labor and not some troll masking
things out for me.That's my personal beef that goes beyond the way you can all experience mere annoyance at some missing info.
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 03:58 PM by chetinglendalevillage
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I don't agree with a person who doesn't feel there would be no significant change in the way people think were life to be discovered on another
planet.
There are people who would experience enormous shifts in the way they think. The people, the common man, the senior citizen who goes to McDonald's
to hang out with his other senior citizen friends who order senior discounted coffees, it is this person who will not be able to make the
adjustment.
The seniors of the world might form secret societies and meet on Sundays rather than play golf and discover new ways to menace society.
Please Nasa, please continue to hide the truth if you already do know about other lifeforms. I'm having enough trouble paying my rent because I
spend so much time researching any form of life other than what is given and staring off into space when I should be working.
The point is, people don't need to be moved from their comfortable manufacturing conveyor belt better known as life.
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 04:11 PM by ArMaP
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Originally posted by vze2xjjk
Hi ArMap,I have proved very clearly that Nasa masks the images by pointing at the most famous example this year of an item called a statue,that was
blacked out from detail.  To me, there is a difference between your presentation of what you think is evidence of masking by NASA and proving
it.
 Then I presented an example of the same object in a different photo from same vantage point,the 3D images which had been less or not at all
tampered with(the answer I found out is "less" tampered with). I showed the 3D image showed clear detail of facial features and body features,and
vigorously posted it thru several threads to the point of spamming it.So you couldn't have missed it by now,the comparison shots.  I didn't
missed it, I even answered to some of your posts, but apparently you were the one that missed them.
In one of those I said that you should not use the 3D composite image because there is some transparency in both the left and the right images to make
the 3D effect, what you say is "less tampering" is this transparency making the shadows less dark because we can see the lighter areas of the other
image.
Also, if the images were masked, you (or anyone else) have no way of knowing and even less of proving it, because to do it you would need the unmasked
version, and you do not have and can not have that version, it is impossible to recover what is removed from an image.
 If you choose to ignore my proof then that's your choice. I could present it again ad nauseum,but I'm sure others would complain and rightly
so that I was being a PEST.  As I said, I did not ignored your presentation, but I think that it doesn't prove anything.
And there is no need of presenting it once more.
 No, I'm just making a case against masking the images.It's a censorship issue for me.I gave Nasa good designs that worked consistently and
held up better than expected.The payoff is seeing the fruits of my labor and not some troll masking things out for me.That's my personal beef that
goes beyond the way you can all experience mere annoyance at some missing info.  Well, you are trying to make a case against masking the
images, in my view you are not being successful.
Another thing, and I hope you don't take this as a provocation, is that I do not believe that you designed the Mars rovers, at least until you show
me some proof of that, just saying that you designed them means nothing, as you certainly know.
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 04:38 PM by vze2xjjk
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