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Originally posted by quietlearner
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Of course you can, but that doesn't make it a ferrari or a Rolls Royce. But I like your style.
However, by definition if gay people wanted to call their union a marriage, they can. It doesn't matter what any "god" says about it. "god's" word is irrelevant.
like you said, calling something something else does not make it the same
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by GringoViejo
Sorry bud, unlike the garbage you are spewing there is zero opinion in my statements, there is only fact and truth in exposing what is obviously an agenda and not a crusade.
I am all for gays having the same rights as all others through private unions, what I am against is the war for the word marriage.
edit on 22-5-2011 by Helious because: (no reason given)
Sorry bud, unlike your delusion of grandeur dictates, you not liking the use of the word marriage by gay people does not change that they are married. If they want to call it a civil union or a marriage, they can. Both terms are accurate.
There can't be a war for a word, no one owns it. That is like waging a war on an idea.
Of course, you can choose to not recognize it as a "marriage," but the fact that it is a marriage is not predicated on your acceptance. Thank god, pun intended.
edit on 22-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by GringoViejo
Sorry bud, unlike the garbage you are spewing there is zero opinion in my statements, there is only fact and truth in exposing what is obviously an agenda and not a crusade.
I am all for gays having the same rights as all others through private unions, what I am against is the war for the word marriage.
edit on 22-5-2011 by Helious because: (no reason given)
Sorry bud, unlike your delusion of grandeur dictates, you not liking the use of the word marriage by gay people does not change that they are married. If they want to call it a civil union or a marriage, they can. Both terms are accurate.
There can't be a war for a word, no one owns it. That is like waging a war on an idea.
Of course, you can choose to not recognize it as a "marriage," but the fact that it is a marriage is not predicated on your acceptance. Thank god, pun intended.
edit on 22-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)
No, in point of fact you are wrong. Both terms are not accurate. Regardless of state allowing it to be called that, it is not marriage as it is devoid of the authority that grants that religious based word. Your government saying it does, in fact not make it true.
It is not by my own opinion that idea is rejected, it is in fact the whole of opinion of every religious text that endorses the word. Government can not hijack the word and install it as truth as they lack the authority to do so, but if you would like to bumble through life thinking they can you should probably pick up a copy of "1984" by George Orwell.edit on 22-5-2011 by Helious because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Obviously you got excited and didn't read the second part.
No matter, your failure to comprehend it does not change anything.
Originally posted by Helious
You don't care where I "think" it came from because you refuse to believe the truth.
Originally posted by quietlearner
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Obviously you got excited and didn't read the second part.
No matter, your failure to comprehend it does not change anything.
obviously you didnt read any of my past posts
and obviously you are not here for logical respectful discussions
and obviously you have already set your mind to think just one way
so obviously I should stop arguing with you
Originally posted by Helious
You are letting your emotions control your brain and your common sense is suffering badly as a result. Your argument is not an argument over anything tangible, it is an argument formed to push an agenda to achieve a a perceived state of equality you feel self entitled too, because you feel different.
Originally posted by quietlearner
I just presented a logical argument of why gay union is not the same as marriage,
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Helious
You don't care where I "think" it came from because you refuse to believe the truth.
Truth? As in God?
That is your choice - - if you want to believe that.
However - - - what you choose to believe - - - will not deny Equal Rights to others.
There will be NO "Separate but Equal". There will only be Equal.
Originally posted by Annee
Really? Because I saw nothing that resembled a logical argument.
You want to try again?
Nice touch throwing the "Liberal" in there. That usually happens when posters run out of anything real to say.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Helious
You are letting your emotions control your brain and your common sense is suffering badly as a result. Your argument is not an argument over anything tangible, it is an argument formed to push an agenda to achieve a a perceived state of equality you feel self entitled too, because you feel different.
I'm letting my emotions control my brain?
I have an agenda?
Good one
Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by GringoViejo
You speak to reading comprehension yet you in fact seem to have none. My religion? What exactly is my religion? Have I mentioned that at all in any of my posts? Do I have one? Or is it that fact are facts regardless of what I believe?
Originally posted by quietlearner
Originally posted by Annee
Really? Because I saw nothing that resembled a logical argument.
You want to try again?
Nice touch throwing the "Liberal" in there. That usually happens when posters run out of anything real to say.
I'm pretty sure you saw it, you just didn't/wont recognize it
I think the burden is on you to prove what I said is illogical
you can't just say something is illogical, you have to explain why or it's just personal opinion
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by GringoViejo
You speak to reading comprehension yet you in fact seem to have none. My religion? What exactly is my religion? Have I mentioned that at all in any of my posts? Do I have one? Or is it that fact are facts regardless of what I believe?
Well forgive me for assuming such ignorance was based in some sort of religion.
You keep alluding to the word marriage being reserved for religious traditions, whatever they may be. I am sorry to inform you that this particular view has no effect on reality.
I really enjoy that gays getting married and using the word marriage (which is accurate) infuriates you
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Helious
You don't care where I "think" it came from because you refuse to believe the truth.
Truth? As in God?
That is your choice - - if you want to believe that.
However - - - what you choose to believe - - - will not deny Equal Rights to others.
There will be NO "Separate but Equal". There will only be Equal.
There is no argument about religion here. It is a matter of you trying to brand a word and a tradition with something it simply is not.
Originally posted by Helious
Yes, you are, because you are not using basic common sense to form any of your statements, much less fact.
Yes, you do have an agenda because if you simply wanted equal rights under law which you so frequently quote you wouldn't have an obsession on what that law was called.
Any person who views your posts can see that, it takes no special skill as you are not that apt at hiding it.
Originally posted by Annee
No it is not on me.
It is on you to make your position clear.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Helious
You don't care where I "think" it came from because you refuse to believe the truth.
Truth? As in God?
That is your choice - - if you want to believe that.
However - - - what you choose to believe - - - will not deny Equal Rights to others.
There will be NO "Separate but Equal". There will only be Equal.
There is no argument about religion here. It is a matter of you trying to brand a word and a tradition with something it simply is not.
FACT: There are LEGAL gay Marriages all over the world.
New tradition I guess.
Those who are Married own the word.