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Republicans....I'm Calling You Out!

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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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In my opinion, the tea party movement started with noble intentions, but after the Republican party realized the power and money they could muster from the movement, they pirated the ship!

The tea party is the mainstream Republican party now.




posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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did thomas paine every use the word community?


Thomas Paine

The Rights of Man


A common contribution being necessary for the support of the public force, and for defraying the other expenses of government, it ought to be divided equally among the members of the community, according to their abilities.



What is government more than the management of the affairs of a Nation? It is not, and from its nature cannot be, the property of any particular man or family, but of the whole community, at whose expense it is supported;



The mutual dependence and reciprocal interest which man has upon man, and all the parts of civilised community upon each other, create that great chain of connection which holds it together. The landholder, the farmer, the manufacturer, the merchant, the tradesman, and every occupation, prospers by the aid which each receives from the other, and from the whole.


Just a few examples that answer that question.
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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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You should forget calling out republicans and just call out the divisions in our country... These political parties are a sham.

The people making money right now while people like you and I struggle are the same who want these divisive threads to perpetuate. Regardless of whether OP would be Repub, Dem, Capitalist, Socialist...

As long as we fight with each other the power structure will remain in its current form or worse.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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You mean that one of our founding fathers was....a socialist, Marxist (before Marxism was cool), liberal terrorist? He believed in the welfare of the whole?

Say it ain't so!



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by beezzer
 

In my opinion, the tea party movement started with noble intentions, but after the Republican party realized the power and money they could muster from the movement, they pirated the ship!

The tea party is the mainstream Republican party now.


In many instances, you'd be right. The republican party thinks to shovel the same old stuff using a new label. But I don't report to, or get talking points from any central location. I don't recognize a central figurehead as de facto leader of the movement.
Liberals, republicans can call themselves Tea Party all they want. They can "brand" themselves as that to sell their ideas.
But the proof will be in their legislation. In what they end up doing. Also whether or not we will recognize their "authority" as being in the Tea Party.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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Well said!

I believe we actually may be on the same page then.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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Well said, although I would suggest not affiliating yourself with any party because they're all self serving and controlled by the corporate elite. That includes the so called "(republican) tea party." A true democratic system would allow anyone to seek the office of the presidency. Parties don't allow for free thinking and venturing out of their lock-step ideology. Ron Paul is a perfect example of that. The two party system has to go, the sooner the better.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Sheep, you're no conservative. You don't have to buy into the NWO and left/right paradigm and so on, but your talking points are everything we T Partiers call RINO!!!!!!!!
The minute you started talking about Socialism you lost me. Defense is the one thing govt is supposed to be doing. Even the Shaolin monks develop their fighting skills and fought in the Chinese armies. It is not the job of govt to be everyone's nanny.
While I am not for all this endless warring, because it's the agenda of the NWO and not genuine defense of our Sovereignty, I do believe in defense of our borders. We need to bring out troops back home. I am concerned that foreign troops are stationed at home while our soldiers are abroad. And what would be the purpose of that? Why it would be because the Blue Helmets of France and Belgium will not have a problem killing civilians, while our own men and women would be less likely to carry out such orders.
The State has gotten way too big, If the NWO would drop it's agenda of nation building we would have the money to build roads, but as a generality that comes out of the States budgets and not the federal. Time to stop the pork barrel spending. Still with as much taxation and spending going on the cities are still crumbling within. more spending on the lousy public education is not producing independent thinking problem solvers, it is producing brainwashed kids through values clarification. We need change but not the "rope and chains' of the marxist Prez.
By the way, Michael Savage said Bush Jr was a fiscal socialist. I believe that is true, because look at the spending and the baillouts. How funny that libs constantly called Bush names when he was helping them all along.

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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by beezzer
 

In my opinion, the tea party movement started with noble intentions, but after the Republican party realized the power and money they could muster from the movement, they pirated the ship!

The tea party is the mainstream Republican party now.


The T Party just realized no one was listening even after all the marches and protests and home made signs. They then figured they would have to get people into office who would espouse limited govt and lower taxation, more freedom and liberty. But a few people just said what they knew they wanted to hear. Scott Brown is one such a person. I keep saying there is a learning curve. Even Glenn Beck is now accepting G Edward Griffin's point of view whereas a few years ago he did not.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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I am no longer a Republican, So Rino is not a label I accept. CINO would be more appropriate, but even then I believe it would not be well founded. If Reagen were alive to day you would say the same thing about him.....he raised taxes, but yet he is upheld as the conservative "God" for all to follow. Did Reagen know that sometimes we must think collectively, instead of each man for himself?

I agree we need a strong defense and our troops should be home. We also need to squash this out of control spending. Where I disagree is the language used by the Republicans/Tea Partiers to discredit the Dems.


Socialism...
Marxist Prez...
fiscal socialist...

See what I mean. These are words of indoctrinated propaganda! It's pounded into the party mantra and regurgitated ad hominem to discredit the person on the other end of the conversation. Regardless of party, I refuse to get sunk into that black hole.

Let's be honest here, Obama is not a socialist Marxist. He is a fascist, just like the Republican party and NWO powers that be! His overbearing, SOCIALIST health care plan was actually drafted by the Heritage Foundation and put into action through Romneycare in Massachusetts. No matter how you spin this, Obama has come further to the Right than anyone could have hoped for, but the Right just keeps getting more extreme so that they can point fingers and claim "Marxist Socialism" on Obama's part. Don't you think that is a bit disingenuous?Article on HF

Side note: Beck and Sarah Palin are the ones that pulled the Tea Party back into the Republican party. You were sold a bill of goods....to say the least!



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I am what I call a "true conservative".

That's peachy but not everyone will accept your version of "true conservative" therefor all designations of conservative, liberal, republican, democrat and anything else is simply a term to exclude other people in other designations with different beliefs. Much like black, white, spanish, oriental, ect... Instead of everyone thinking all are just Human. That's the problem with labeling yourself conservative then you are stuck with that. Labeling is the true cause of all things failed in this world. Political correctness is a magnification of labeling. So instead of calling yourself a true conservative why not just state what things you believe in? Once you label yourself true conservative anyone that claims not to be conservative will simply ignore everything else you post no matter how enlightening it is. In my opinion you are better off not labeling yourself and just state what you believe in. Let everyone else decide what label they want to attach to you of they choose.

The entire system of political parties is setup to keep people seperated. Now ask yourself what would be the reason to keep people seperated? Who benifits from that? How much money is generated by all these seperate parties in the name of supporting that party? How much money does the political parties raise each campaign to fight against each other? Millions. That proves to me political parties have failed.

Now ask yourself if there was one political party then how much money would be made for it? Zero, because there would be no need for money to be spent on something everyone can agree on.

Instead of propagating parties we sould be working to unit everyone to a tolerable single party (humanity maybe?). Then we can really start making progress in simplifying government and our own lifes. That would benifit everyone. However the sad truth is people are to concerned with their own well being and could really careless about the human race as a whole. It will be the downfall of humanity. All these doomsday theories have nothing on humans destroying themselfs from sheer greed, gluttony and selfishness.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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I just had this image come into my little rabble noggin. It's the next Presidential election, and it turns out, that most of the voters "by a landslide" put their vote on someone who was NOT a two-party -nominee!-
The Government Agent MainStream Media Shills all have their mouths open ('jaw dropped') without a sound coming out, as they are speechless. Just speechless. Meanwhile, somewhere in a cigar smoke filled room around a big board table, in a Rothchild castle (or at Rockefeller's, etc) in front of the giant screen TV, a couple of wine glasses go crashing to the floor, maybe a burning cigar drops from someone's lips to the 13th century Persian rug...........

It sounds like my hand at fiction writing, huh. But does it have------to be fiction? Really? Yes? No?



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Or they could pull there cigars out of their mouths to have a hardy laugh before rising their glasses as one of them says "congratulations gentlemen, we fooled them into thinking they have a choice, again." Cheers and laughter fill the room.

Sorry, if the world is under the control of a cabal then I don't think voting them out is going to work. That process would also be under their control wouldn't it?
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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 

I am no longer a Republican, So Rino is not a label I accept. CINO would be more appropriate, but even then I believe it would not be well founded. If Reagen were alive to day you would say the same thing about him.....he raised taxes, but yet he is upheld as the conservative "God" for all to follow. Did Reagen know that sometimes we must think collectively, instead of each man for himself?

I agree we need a strong defense and our troops should be home. We also need to squash this out of control spending. Where I disagree is the language used by the Republicans/Tea Partiers to discredit the Dems.


Socialism...
Marxist Prez...
fiscal socialist...

See what I mean. These are words of indoctrinated propaganda! It's pounded into the party mantra and regurgitated ad hominem to discredit the person on the other end of the conversation. Regardless of party, I refuse to get sunk into that black hole.

Let's be honest here, Obama is not a socialist Marxist. He is a fascist, just like the Republican party and NWO powers that be! His overbearing, SOCIALIST health care plan was actually drafted by the Heritage Foundation and put into action through Romneycare in Massachusetts. No matter how you spin this, Obama has come further to the Right than anyone could have hoped for, but the Right just keeps getting more extreme so that they can point fingers and claim "Marxist Socialism" on Obama's part. Don't you think that is a bit disingenuous?Article on HF

Side note: Beck and Sarah Palin are the ones that pulled the Tea Party back into the Republican party. You were sold a bill of goods....to say the least!









Indoctrination my azz. You are espousing Marxism just by promoting anything remotely Socialistic. You may say that building roads and paying police officers is Socialist, but we certainly do not have to have all these other entitlements. Police officers do serve the community, and so does the air force, get what I mean? Excessive use of any of these things is what we refer to as the Police State.
I knew as soon as I posted it, that you would come back telling me you are not Republican. I think not only are you not Republican, you are also not in the least conservative, unless you advocate reducing the Supremacy of the State. You cannot have it both ways. If you espouse Big Govt you are not conservative, no matter what party you affiliate with.
There is tons of propaganda coming out of the WH now, with a big time Marxist at the helm. Either you object to it or you want the State to be your Master.

The Tea Party are some of the most educated when it comes to knowing about Marxism, Socialism, and how it is encroaching upon our liberties.
And it's not Reagen, it's Reagan.
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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by simone50m
 


Or they could pull there cigars out of their mouths to have a hardy laugh before rising their glasses as one of them says "congratulations gentlemen, we fooled them into thinking they have a choice, again." Cheers and laughter fill the room.

Sorry, if the world is under the control of a cabal then I don't think voting them out is going to work. That process would also be under their control wouldn't it?
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Well think Kerry on the left and Bush on the right. Both Skull and Bones. There's your answer.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by simone50m
I just had this image come into my little rabble noggin. It's the next Presidential election, and it turns out, that most of the voters "by a landslide" put their vote on someone who was NOT a two-party -nominee!-
The Government Agent MainStream Media Shills all have their mouths open ('jaw dropped') without a sound coming out, as they are speechless. Just speechless. Meanwhile, somewhere in a cigar smoke filled room around a big board table, in a Rothchild castle (or at Rockefeller's, etc) in front of the giant screen TV, a couple of wine glasses go crashing to the floor, maybe a burning cigar drops from someone's lips to the 13th century Persian rug...........

It sounds like my hand at fiction writing, huh. But does it have------to be fiction? Really? Yes? No?


Well ABC news was promoting Newt as very positive while making Paul look ridiculous just by their portrayal of both of them and control of sound bites. That is what the media does and it is unfortunate many people do not look any deeper.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

The two sides to this issue are these.
1. Folks who want more government control over their lives.
2. Folks who want less government control over their lives.


Or as folks who want less corporate control
and people who want more corporate control in their lives.

Frankly I want balance

I think OP is the type of person I support, balanced



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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Very very well said! I do not agree with everything you said, but you, in my opinion, exemplify what a True American is, be they Liberal or Conservative - be able to present your viewpoint in real terms, not sound-bytes, be able to understand that you may not get every single thing you want and be able to put attention to the community in which you live.

Good on ya!



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
If you espouse Big Govt you are not conservative, no matter what party you affiliate with.
There is tons of propaganda coming out of the WH now, with a big time Marxist at the helm. Either you object to it or you want the State to be your Master.

The Tea Party are some of the most educated when it comes to knowing about Marxism, Socialism, and how it is encroaching upon our liberties.

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So do tell where George W. Bush's positive approval ratings came from? Thats right, from the same conservatives
that moan about policies they supported for years. By your definition conservative is a fairy tale, by your definition
it is a false positive. Reagan imparted massive Government across the board, you guys liked/like him because of how he made you feel and what came out of his mouth. Obama the alleged big time marxist, has had lower tax rates than Ronald Reagan, less ONE YEAR.

The TEA party is educated by FOX news, the same cabal that brought you the BIG GOVERNMENT of the last decade. The disastrous fiscal policies, the new agencies, secrecy, supremacy, wars, security, spending and the corporate give away of America's economic security. The TEA party group sticks with the patch work of
arguments constructed by FOX, this thread and your posts are moistened by FOX's attempt to paint this era
as some sort of departure from goodness. Frankly that is laughable...

Who won the 2004 elections again? I guess none of you are conservative, you're fake and cannot admit that you
are a lot of horseless cowboys, all yap and no sack.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Well think Kerry on the left and Bush on the right. Both Skull and Bones. There's your answer.


Yeah and Paul being Lambda Chi Alpha and a career politician. I think he is really the same choice. Like going to a cafeteria and beeing offered meatloaf from three different pans. Hmm now which one should I have?



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