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Republicans....I'm Calling You Out!

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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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For those of you who have not read some of my earlier threads, I think it's best to set the stage for the comments I am about to pass along.

I am what I call a "true conservative". I believe that the freedoms of the individual are the single-most important issue in our society today. Whether it's conflicts with political correctness, party mantra, talking points or popular opinion, I do my best to maintain the philosophy that with personal freedom.... all things work better.

I'm also lucky enough to realize that there is a certain flexibility we must have to give up a part of ourselves and our tax dollars for the betterment of the community in which we live. Streets must be built, sewers as well, and we must care for our neighbors in need. Some may call this socialist, but I call it personal responsibility. We have a responsibility to care for our families and the other people around us. Why, do you ask? My answer would be that it can be, and very well may be, you yourself that is in need at times in your life. If you give, there is no less honor in receiving and you have every right to fall back of those who you have rendered aid. That's my opinion anyway.

That being said, what I have to say will offend many Republicans, tea partiers and so-called conservatives. Ok, I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions. But at least I may have made a few of you question that which you blindly follow.


National Security



Could this be the biggest scam on the American people ever? Yes, I believe so! From WWII, Vietnam, Cold war and the Middle East conflicts, the fear of our personal safety has been milked by those in power. For those who have private and corporate interests in war, manipulating the religious right, "Patriot Movement", and the right wing overall has been easy to drum-up fevered support for wars that seem justifiable, but end up bearing unintended consequences that we refuse to acknowledge after the fact.

Those of you who rally to bomb this country, or kill that dictator in the name of national security do not stop to realize that your decision to support the pillaging of other's freedoms is hypocritical to a true conservative stance! We are displacing the many, for the sake of killing a few.....with little results or overall better security. We are supposed to defend liberty, not impose it on others whom we disagree with.


Terrorism




This ties in directly with the national security issue. Simply put, you have nothing to fear from Muslims, Islam, Sharia Law or crazy radical terrorists that intend to bomb your children's schools. This is a fear tactic of the highest degree! Are them some crazy people out there that do things in the name of their God? Yes, but all religions have that problem. Every human being knows that some people take things to the extreme. Christians and Muslims alike are guilty of horrible atrocities throughout history. For us to even begin to surmise that this religion has broken into new territory is simply ridiculous.

It's also quite clear that some people in the Middle East are willing to commit some horrible acts in an attempt to defend what they believe is rightfully theirs. It is no different than what many of you have said or planned to do in a similar situation. What are you prepared to do to defend you home and homeland? Is it really any different than what they are doing? I would gladly give my life for the sake of my family, wouldn't you do the same? So what difference is there between us and these so-called terrorists?


9/11



I'm tired of it! There is only so many times that I can stand to hear a right winger invoke 9/11 in any discussion of war, national security, terrorism and the policies in which they plan to introduce regarding this issue! 9/11 has been used as the convenient scapegoat to justify wars, take way our freedoms, counteract any dissenting argument and to debunk any other conflicting opinion due to the "emotion" surrounding the event.

Fact is, we don't know the whole story surrounding 9/11. If you believe what the government tells you.....you're nuts! I don't want to get into the entire 9/11 issue, but it has to be mentioned. Please know that this event has become a piece of propaganda that Goebells himself would be proud of. No matter the facts surrounding the issue, it has been used in a way that only diminishes what it means to be American, and freedom-loving. I hope you can see that

The Birther Movement



Good Lord, where to begin! This subject is riddled with hypocrisy and outright humorous stupidity! First off, no one can prove anything.......but still uses the "appearance" of impropriety to convince the masses that Obama is a Kenyan-born, illegitimate president. Ok, I'll bite! what proof do you have?

"Well we need to see the BC."

Here's the BC.

"Why are you talking about the BC? What's the deal with his SS#?"

SS# looks legit.

"Selective service card...uhhh....personal property connection.....uhhh.....long-deceased Hawaiian girl fraud!"

Seriously? How can I take this serious? I am open to your theory, but back it up with something that doesn't resemble a really bad South Park episode! Which leads us into sources.


Sources



Let's get something straight here......I may be on a conspiracy site, but I am not about to believe some link to a hardcore right wing website that regurgitates talking points and mindless mantra against its political adversaries for the sake of selling gold, food insurance or survival seed packs!

WND is not a reliable source!

Rawstory is not a reliable source!

Foxnews is not a reliable source!

Blogspot.whatever is not a reliable source!

Youtube is not a reliable source!

Obamareleaseyourrecords.com is not a reliable source!

These sites are biased to the core. I cannot even begin to take them seriously, and holding their information as proof of nefarious intent or history of Obama, or any other person for the matter, is simply false and completely disingenuous on your part. The sources or "experts" they quote are always anonymous or directly tied to the site themselves!

So how can I take them seriously at all? I can't. And that's the sad truth. Could Obama be a Kenyan-born, Marxist Muslim? Sure, there is always a chance. But until there is some evidence other than drummed-up propaganda, I have to accept the fact that he got where is his by legit means.


Pride and Ego




Set aside your personal inhibitions and selfish reasoning for the sake of finding the truth. It’s always more important to learn the truth than it is to confirm your own preconceived programming by your political party! Left or Right, we need to realize that spreading lies for the sake of party only diminishes your creditability. You must be willing to accept and understand the truth, even when it flies in the face of what you have been told.

So put your pride and ego to the side, and be willing to accept the fact that you may be wrong from time to time.


In closing, I would like to appeal to the human side of all of you. You know....I know, that things are not what they seem. Whether you are a leftist, or a right winger, you know that there are some serious problems we face in the very near future. Regardless of political affiliation or party, it's undeniable that the time will soon come that we must decide if we are Americans, or hyphenated Americans. Are we one, or are we many? Are we self-serving, or destined to become the greatest organism imaginable by working together as truly compassionate, truth-seeking people?

That choice is important! That directly decides whether we placate to fear and falsehoods in the name of the personal profit of the greedy individual, or if we live and practice freedom in the way in which our founding fathers set forth.

We must be willing to break party lines and willing to accept the truth when it presents itself. We can no longer manipulate the truth to conform to our political brainwashing.

and brainwashed you are…….




posted on May, 21 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Facing facts mean you realize that no one,other than a dim or a Repub,will ever be elected president...the Repubs most closely reflect my values and my demographic,so I vote Repub...hey,are far from perfect.but they look out for me better than others.....but the dims are almost communist(mr o's speech the other day where he referred to having industry in he hands of the many and out of the hands of the few)Thats communism....so I agree with you about most of what you say,but I gotta still support Repubs....supporting the others is just signing myself and my family into slavery...if,somda,som oher guy,like a Ron Paul,WHO HAS A CHANCE TO GET ELECTED out of a 3rd party comes along,Ill consider changing...but thats a looong way off....even RP is running a s a Repub...he saw the light:[edited on 5/21/2011 by Homedawg because: sp

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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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You should not be calling conservatives out....

The two-party system in it's entirety is a ruse and we all are technically insane for continuing to believe that we are "represented" at all by these criminals in power.

Your points are very valid, but you seem to be viewing things from the 5,000 foot view rather than the 30,000 foot view... The whole idea is to keep people divided.... As long as they do, we will always fight amongst ourselves over silly things like politics while the ones in power do as they please with impunity. Your post validates this very concept.

There are people who can see all sides of a debate and who truly understand all of the needs of the people, but we will never see them represent us or lead because that completely defeats the purpose.

Good post... Will make people think.


~Namaste



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Sounds like the saying: "you're only voting for the lesser of two evils".

I agree and you make a good point, but you're still voting for evil and that's how I look at this issue. Both sides are corrupt.

And explain to me how helping people out, or disbanding corporate control of our lives is communism. As of now we live in facism. Is that a better option?



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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Homedawg
 


Sounds like the saying: "you're only voting for the lesser of two evils".

I agree and you make a good point, but you're still voting for evil and that's how I look at this issue. Both sides are corrupt.




WELL SAID!
But one siders as I like to put, can't see the ******it and think their opinion is the almighty opinion



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Homedawg
 


Sounds like the saying: "you're only voting for the lesser of two evils".

I agree and you make a good point, but you're still voting for evil and that's how I look at this issue. Both sides are corrupt.

And explain to me how helping people out, or disbanding corporate control of our lives is communism. As of now we live in facism. Is that a better option?



edit on 21-5-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: add comment
Im a middle aged,middle class white male.dims arent gouing to do ANYTHING for me but take more of my money..I have no problem helping someone out WHO NEEDS IT...that does not include someone who has allowed the dims to cuddle them from birth,trot them along so someday they can begin being bussed to the polls every two years to vote for who they are told to.... have serious problems with helping them out usin more and ore of my tax money that could go to Law Enforcement,infrastructure,etc...same for foreign aid to country's that hate us and ahrbor our enemies.......have you read Karl Marx?..."into the hands of the many" is on of his mantras....and mr o most certainly not only read,but studied Marx.....he and that other creature,the bomber,live for his works
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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Perhaps you are correct. To be consistent, I must recognize that my view is slightly skewed as well. In that realization I can open myself up more fully to the ideas and opinions of others with falling prey to blatant propaganda. That's where I believe the Republicans have a corner on the market.

We must be open to each other, without the interference of political baiting through emotion or patriotism.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by johngrissom

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Homedawg
 


Sounds like the saying: "you're only voting for the lesser of two evils".

I agree and you make a good point, but you're still voting for evil and that's how I look at this issue. Both sides are corrupt.




WELL SAID!
But one siders as I like to put, can't see the ******it and think their opinion is the almighty opinion
Im pretty sure I stated that I would vote for a 3rd party if they showed they have a chance of beating a Repub or a dim...but,as I sid,thats a loooong way off and I have to live here now....and keep as much of what I have earned as possible to keep the drones from getting it



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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Im a middle aged,middle class white male.dims arent gouing to do ANYTHING for me but take more of my money..I have no problem helping someone out WHO NEEDS IT...that does not include someone who has allowed the dims to cuddle them from birth,trot them along so someday they can begin being bussed to the polls every two years to vote for who they are told to.... have serious problems with helping them out usin more and ore of my tax money that could go to Law Enforcement,infrastructure,etc...same for foreign aid to country's that hate us and ahrbor our enemies.......have you read Karl Marx?..."into the hands of the many" is on of his mantras....and mr o most certainly not only read,but studied Marx.....he and that other creature,the bomber,live for his works


All due respect, but this is what I am talking about, Homedawg. You have the talking points down.

You have no problem helping people out, but not welfare collecting sheep that were "coddled by the dems"? You also invoke Karl Marx and Bill Ayers? All talking points used by the Republican talking heads and politicians to discredit Obama.

Let's be honest, Obama has become more conservative in his leadership than anyone could have hoped for. So even if he did read Karl Marx he is not leading as one of his students. And Bill Ayers and Obama had a profesional relationship. There are many people that we ourselves associate with that could leave a stain or our reputation. Should we be pointing fingers?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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It's very hard to be open to other peoples' ideas, when the minute you say something to the effect of you believe the government should play a role in helping the less fortunate in society, you are immediately called a socialist, communist, fascist marxist that doesn't understand what it means to be a true American. The funny thing is, from my experience, the people who were running around calling anyone who didn't implicitly agree with Bush in the early 2000s a terrorist sympathizer and traitor, are the same that run around now asking for the birth certificate and such. Irony is awesome. This country was founded on compromise, but it's hard to compromise with people who tell you from the start that the only way this will work is if they get everything they want, while I give up everything I want. How do you compromise with that? And don't fool yourself, that's exactly what happened during the health care debate. In retrospect, both sides could have been happy, very happy, and both sides could have claimed victory, but republicans forced democrats into the maneuvering that they needed to do. I'm open to ideas from either side, because my beliefs are a mixture of either side. I am all about the Libertarians, except, as I said, I think there does need to be a social safety net. Maybe that net needs to be fixed from its current configuration, but I don't think it needs to be removed. We are already on the express train to being a third world nation, we don't need to accelerate the process.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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You should be calling out the vast silent majority!

These boards seem to seethe with people claiming to be non affiliated.
Lets see some sort of movement then.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Imnot quotin Marx...in his Middle East "manifesto" on Thursday,mr o slipped in a comment about taking industry out of the hands of the few and putting it in the hands of the many....to me,thats a cal to arms to shift to a communistic system...which he ha already one with the "bauil-outs" in return or ahand in running things...as to therest,Ill keep vooting Repub until something better,for my demgraphic, comes along...because the dims sure are not going to do anything for me except take more of my money,make gas to high for me to drive to work,and regulate how high my thermostat can go in the name of leveling the playing field....uh-huh



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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If the obama/ayers relationship is purely professional,then why was ayers in the obama living room the night he decided to commit to run?...thats a little more than a "professional" relationship....and speaking of ayers,he is a noted,PROVEN terrorist....his "cause" cant be used as an excuse for that sort of violence....and mr o is a butt tght buddy of his....no...I stand by my statements,no matter how much ya'll try to pick them apart and divert attention from the main theme.....for me,Repubs will remain the party of choice,no matter how bad they may be..(until a viable alternate party comes along,one that has a reasonable chance of getting a 3rd party elected)..if evil is evil,then NO ONE should EVER vote,since they are all evil in some way.....but the Repub evil,as it were,is more to my taste....dim/lib.socialist/communist evil is just too wild for me
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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
communistic system



You keep using this word or implying it, and I don't think you know what it really means.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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I'm also lucky enough to realize that there is a certain flexibility we must have to give up a part of ourselves and our tax dollars for the betterment of the community in which we live


sorry but a true conservative does not believe that at least this one doesnt.

i would say your a progressive and that itself is contrary to what conservatism is.


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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by Homedawg
communistic system



You keep using this word or implying it, and I don't think you know what it really means.
Im 56,I grew up with the "russian system" at its height..my wife is an economist...oh yeah...I know what it is....if the many.."the Masses" own or control business.,thru the hands of ""The Government",thats a communistic suystem..and thats what barry and william wants...and are trying to do....if you dont know me,dont assume things about me....I see the disinformation trools have come out on this one...Im going to mow my yard,that I bought with earned wages,with a mower bought in the free market wih some of those same wages...then I will eat supper with food bought,not paid for with other taxpayers wages....I know where mine comes form....obviously others do too...and they like that they are given theirs...



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
you're a progressive

Hey, I saw you using this word Neo, and just wanted to say, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Unless of course anyone who supports any sort of taxation is a progressive now.

I guess Thomas Paine is a progressive.
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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
thats a communistic suystem


Most "communism" the world has seen has little in common with Marxism/Karl Marx communism. Most communism the world has seen is just full blown socialism.

And while I'm not saying the "workers control of production" isn't a part of communism, there is a farcry difference between socialism and communism. Enough that I dare say, you don't actually know what the hell you're talking about.

But please, continue to use the fallacy that, because your wife is an economist, she's an expert on this. I need a laugh or two.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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did thomas paine every use the word community?

thats one word conservatives do not ever use.

pick whatever label you want

conservative in name only
republican in name only

or progressive to change the parties path.

whats in a name?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg

Originally posted by johngrissom

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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Sounds like the saying: "you're only voting for the lesser of two evils".

I agree and you make a good point, but you're still voting for evil and that's how I look at this issue. Both sides are corrupt.




WELL SAID!
But one siders as I like to put, can't see the ******it and think their opinion is the almighty opinion
Im pretty sure I stated that I would vote for a 3rd party if they showed they have a chance of beating a Repub or a dim...but,as I sid,thats a loooong way off and I have to live here now....and keep as much of what I have earned as possible to keep the drones from getting it


The problem is the only reason third parties don't have a chance of winning is because people like you don't think they have a chance of winning, so you vote for flavor R or D and since the media on both sides play "they can't win" game very well, it's not just a long way off it's never. I think the Obama election was a perfect example, since the media and especially people like Rush, threw Ron Paul under the bus out of the gate saying he had no chance of winning, of course as history has shown neither did McCain. But, if people keep doing what they have always done, they will get the same results. Peace be with you.



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