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London School Economic academic's claim 'black women less attractive' triggers race row

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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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This is just outrageous. As the times has changed, I've come to the conclusion that as a human being we are all one big family. It does not matter what race you are but what matters is who you are as a decent human being inside. Beauty is just another part of the physical world, where as who we are inside is the spiritual. As a soul in a physical body, it is sad to see an individual feeling the need to degrade others to comfort their ego that they are beautiful, when beauty is deeper than the shell the soul is in.



Student groups at the London School of Economics are calling for the dismissal of a social scientist who has become embroiled in a racism row after claiming that a study showed black women to be less attractive than women of other races.

Dr Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist at the institution, published his comments on a blog and claimed he had analysed data from an online study of physical attractiveness.

In his article for Psychology Today, Kanazawa wrote: "Black women are … far less attractive than white, Asian, and Native American women." The piece drew a barrage of complaints from readers and has since been removed from the site.


www.guardian.co.uk...
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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
it is sad to see an individual feeling the need to degrade others to comfort their ego



Are you sure thats what it was, because the small bit of the article made it seem that he was just reporting the results of a study... but that an angry mob wasnt happy with the results of that study.


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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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library.flawlesslogic.com...

"Research in Philadelphia carried out in 1958 and 1960 indicated that of all rapes, only 3.2 percent were black-on-white assaults and 3.6 percent were white-on-black. Since that time, the proportion of black-on-white rapes has soared. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40 percent of all rapes were of whites by blacks, and not one case of white-on-black rape was found. In general, through the 1970s, black-on-white rape was at least ten times more common that white-on-black rape."

Is that racism too?

The word racism is tossed around way too quickly.

If you haven't watched "Conversation about racism" then do, it's very revealing that many people missinterpret and missuse the word racism all too often.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Saw this in the newspaper the other day, disgraceful. I completely agree with everything you've said, we are all in a sense on big family, this study in my opinion is pointless, what important information does it behold. There are so many other things worth studying, but this scientist chooses to determine which colour of person is most attractive? Doesn't deserve to be published in a newspaper.

Regards, Aimie.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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Psychology Today is one of those publications that does more to mis-inform and mis-lead people than most magazines. Psychology is an in-depth social science that is not easily explained in bite-sized articles that most people can read while perched on a toilet.

Meanwhile, this fellow was reporting on data taken from a given source. Using a different source, there would be different results. There is nothing racist here. If there are four desserts listed in a food magazine article and those who participate rate the desserts from most to least favored, one has to come out on top, and one has to come out as #4.

Don't blow a non-issue further out of proportion. The test data could just as easily came out Asian or White, and people wouldn't be throwing their arms in the air and demanding this fellows head had those results been published.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
it is sad to see an individual feeling the need to degrade others to comfort their ego



Are you sure thats what it was, because the small bit of the article made it seem that he was just reporting the results of a study... but that an angry mob wasnt happy with the results of that study.



thats what i got. if i read a study and it showed say Asian-american women got more 'votes' from males aged 25-35 then african american women. would it not be true to say that?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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London School of Economic -- isn't that the Fabian socialist school, that most the world leaders come from?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
it is sad to see an individual feeling the need to degrade others to comfort their ego



Are you sure thats what it was, because the small bit of the article made it seem that he was just reporting the results of a study... but that an angry mob wasnt happy with the results of that study.



I'm sure that's part of it.

Angry mobs, those people are not angry mobs, they're activist who do not support degradation of another human being.


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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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The study showed this, he was just reporting the results. Academic freedom is more important than political correctness. The only thing these clueless student groups will achieve is more recognition for this study, lol..



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
... those people are not angry mobs, they're activist who do not support degradation of another human being.



Not quite. Because of one thing you can be sure. If a study find white people less (anything) than black people, there are no activists screaming outrage and calling for sackings of the messenger. Racism only works one way.

Indeed I will go so far as to say that there ARE such studies that have found white women less attractive. Its just that we've never heard of them because they didnt get international criticism.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Aimie
Saw this in the newspaper the other day, disgraceful. I completely agree with everything you've said, we are all in a sense on big family, this study in my opinion is pointless, what important information does it behold. There are so many other things worth studying, but this scientist chooses to determine which colour of person is most attractive? Doesn't deserve to be published in a newspaper.

Regards, Aimie.


The scientist wasn't saying who was attractive, it was a study. Presenting honest results isn't being racist. It shows that more people find whites, asians, etc attractive than black people. How is that racist? Is it sexist that I find women attractive, but not men? Calling someone a racist because they don't find people of a certain race attractive is just flat out ridiculous, We don't decide who we are attracted to, sorry.

Although, I would say even doing this study was pointless. I'll agree there are much more important things that could have been studied, this was pretty pointless.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I am a white Australian, who partially agrees with thier "study".
I each race of people there are your attractive, and not so attractive people.
Except for our Australian Aboriginies, to me they would have to be the most unattractive race on the planet. But to somebody else, they may find them beautiful.

It was only a study made up from different peoples opinions, I wouldn't get all worked up about the racisim aspect of it.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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What exactly is degrading about this? I'm not really getting it.

I'll go back to what I said, is it degrading to men that I don't find them attractive? No, because I'm attracted to women. If someone doesn't find a certain race attractive overall, that's not degradation or racism, it's just their own preference for who they are attracted to.

This is really getting out of hand with people calling everyone a racist. I'll call you a sexist just because you are straight, or gay, it doesn't matter. If you don't find a certain gender attractive, you are being sexist by your logic.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
... those people are not angry mobs, they're activist who do not support degradation of another human being.



Not quite. Because of one thing you can be sure. If a study find white people less (anything) than black people, there are no activists screaming outrage and calling for sackings of the messenger. Racism only works one way.

Indeed I will go so far as to say that there ARE such studies that have found white women less attractive. Its just that we've never heard of them because they didnt get international criticism.



I think any study that said any group is unattractive is a outrage and should not be tolerated. It is not one way. If it is one way than you are speaking of the elites social engineering plan. I don't tolerate anyone being degraded as a human being.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Just to add some more data to the discussion, I found the results of message sending on the site okcupid.
It rates how often a person replies to a message, as opposed to how often they should reply by the 'normal' rate.

OKC

Related to this thread of today, this bit stands out...

Men don’t write black women back.
Or rather, they write them back far less often than they should.
Black women reply the most, yet get by far the fewest replies.
Essentially every race—including other blacks—singles them
out for the cold shoulder.


So maybe the author of the article in Psychology Today was telling the (unwanted) truth.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Wow now theres a suprise. Nowdays you are not allowed to say anything that might harm upset or annoy a member of another race however true it might be, unless that is it is aimed against the white man then you can say or do anything you like and get away with it, if the poor white man speaks out everyone plays the race card instantly.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1
Just to add some more data to the discussion, I found the results of message sending on the site okcupid.
It rates how often a person replies to a message, as opposed to how often they should reply by the 'normal' rate.

OKC

Related to this thread of today, this bit stands out...

Men don’t write black women back.
Or rather, they write them back far less often than they should.
Black women reply the most, yet get by far the fewest replies.
Essentially every race—including other blacks—singles them
out for the cold shoulder.


So maybe the author of the article in Psychology Today was telling the (unwanted) truth.



No, I reject it as the unwanted truth. It's what people have socially condition to see beauty is delusional.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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I tend to agree with you, however I think its important to note just how the teacher reported the results of the study....I personally have no Idea how he did, so I have no opinion on him personally....however, for arguments sake, had he argued that this study showed that Black Women were less attractive than other races then he would have most certainly been in the wrong. Attractiveness is not an intrinsic value that can be defined in such a manner. For instance if one was to take a survey back a few hundred years ago, then one would find that most of the top female models of today would be considered quite ugly as they are far too skinny....and most of the top male models would be far too feminine looking to be considered attractive to women from a few hundred years ago as well.

So to be accurate the professor should have stated that according to this study, done on 'such and such year', the people surveyed rated black women lowest in attractiveness on average among other races.....Perhaps a minor difference, but peoples opinions on what is sexy are quite flexible. It could be but a year or two and Black women may be in vogue!
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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN

I think any study that said any group is unattractive is a outrage and should not be tolerated. It is not one way. If it is one way than you are speaking of the elites social engineering plan. I don't tolerate anyone being degraded as a human being.


I'm not getting where you are coming from... the study wasn't mean to make you feel warm and fuzzy, it was meant to tell the truth. Why are you so against that?

Everybody is attracted to different people, some like short people, tall people, fat people, skinny people, black people, white people, these are all APPEARANCES. And people are physically attracted to APPEARANCES. You have no right to call anyone racist or degrading because they simply aren't attracted to someone.

You don't choose who you are attracted to. I'm attracted to big round rear ends. I didn't choose this, I just like them. Am I degrading towards women with small rear ends? No, I'm not attracted to them, I can't help it. It's not a choice.

Please get over yourself and realize that people have the right to be attracted to whoever they are attracted to, without you thinking you have a right to look down upon them because of it. Not a single person on this planet things every person is equally physically attractive.

Anybody has a right to simply present a study that puts on paper what people are attracted to. There is absolutely nothing racist or degrading about it.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
No, I reject it as the unwanted truth. It's what people have socially condition to see beauty is delusional.


And? What you are saying doesn't matter. That is not the subject here at all. WHY people are attracted to whoever they are attracted to is not the issue. The study simply presents WHO they are (or aren't) attracted to. So how can presenting truth be racist? I'm not getting it.



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