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RIAA Bill ‘Nullifies’ U.S. Constitution

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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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The RIAA and MPAA lobby scored another success at the expense of the public.

With Senator Alex Padilla’s Bill 550 Californian law enforcement would no longer require a warrant to raid places where they suspect pirated disks may be located.


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Trampling over our rights and using profit motives to justify it.

Well we all know where their hearts lie now...




posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:05 AM
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Have you ever read the Anti Federalist Papers please?

I would never attempt to justify what they are doing to what remains of our rights yet I am curious wether or not you have read the Anti Federalist Papers since I cannot imagine someone caring enough to desire to inform us of our situation who does not understand or who is unaware of the Anti Federalist Papers.

I feel that I have done all I need to do here as I am hoping that the OP and anyone who ventures here will read these words and then go on to read these papers yet some say I am an optomist as well......

The ANTI FEDERALIST PAPERS will change your viewpoint or you are not reading them correctly



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:16 AM
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Could you provide a little detail about those and their relevance to this?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Mr. Padilla only cares about getting elected, look at his voting history and where his election money came from.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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It saddens me, but doesn't really surprise me. When, corporations give tons of money to candidates of both parties to play their election games, it is not surprising when government gives those same corporations power over the people. It's also not surprising that when corporations like the recording industry are facing their own extinction due to technology that they will fight tooth and nail using dirty tricks, after all the first goal of all organizations is for the organization to survive. The demise of the recording industry by technology is kind of amusing though, since they were created by technology as well; they were born the day the first records were pressed. Peace be with you.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by Watts
reply to post by OverMan
 


Could you provide a little detail about those and their relevance to this?



They contain warnings of dangers from tyranny that weaknesses in the proposed Constitution did not adequately provide against, and while some of those weaknesses were corrected by adoption of the Bill of Rights, others remained, and some of these dangers are nowcoming to pass.

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I have to admit, I had not read or researched the Anti-Federalist Papers. Thanks to Overman for the heads-up!



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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So now they will kick in any door private home/business for whatever reason without a warrant & then when they find nothing use the lame excuse of "we thought there were pirated cds.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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This bill only applies to businesses that mass produce commercial discs, not peoples' homes.


Read the actual bill: e-lobbyist.com...



"The bill would authorize law enforcement officers
to perform inspections, as specified, at commercial optical disc
manufacturing facilities during regular business hours without a
warrant for the purpose of verifying compliance with these provisions
and would authorize law enforcement officers, in performing these
investigations, to seize any optical disc or production part
manufactured in violation of these provisions."



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by againuntodust
This bill only applies to businesses that mass produce commercial discs, not peoples' homes.


Read the actual bill: e-lobbyist.com...



"The bill would authorize law enforcement officers
to perform inspections, as specified, at commercial optical disc
manufacturing facilities during regular business hours without a
warrant for the purpose of verifying compliance with these provisions
and would authorize law enforcement officers, in performing these
investigations, to seize any optical disc or production part
manufactured in violation of these provisions."


It is, as with most laws introduced, a foot in the door. Precedents are set all the time. I don't think anyone one hundred years ago could envision swat teams kicking down door looking for substances or tsa agents patting down infants. Call me a sensationalist, but I know they would not if they could see us today.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Respectfully....

The law is not even a law yet as its still in the preliminary stages. California already has laws on the books that cover this issue. All this bill does is redefines some of those definitions and specifies language when dealing with cds/dvds and inspections.

Secondly I would suggest you actually read the text of the bill before spouting off, as the bill does not come anywhere close to what is described in this thread.

SB 550 would place manufacturers of dvd / cd's into the same boat as say businesses that serve say alcohol. They can be inspected by law enforcement to ensure that what they are making and distributing is legal. This is no different than an officer going into a place that sells alcohol to ensure no alcohol is being sold to minors.

If a business is caught illegally manufacturing and distributing items they are not allowed to, they face a fine.

The 4th amendment does not apply to the individual, or even a business - It applies to the Government. If a standard is established (passing SB550 as an example), any business that apply for a business license in that category (dvd/cd manufaturing and sales) will know up front what that license will entail, including periodic, unannounced inspections. If the business does not want to comply with the provision, they are free to go elsewhere with their business.

A regulatory inspection is what occurs, not a police raid by swat.

CA Senate Bill 550


21803. (a) Law enforcement officers are authorized to perform
inspections at commercial optical disc manufacturing facilities to
verify compliance with the provisions of this chapter. Any
inspection may be carried out with the assistance of a professional
organization designated by law enforcement shall be conducted
by officers whose primary responsibilities include investigation
of high-technology crime or intellectual property piracy.
Inspections shall take place during regular business hours and shall
be limited to the areas of the premises where manufacturing
equipment is located and where optical discs and production parts
are manufactured and stored. The scope of the inspection shall be
restricted to the physical review of items and collection of
information necessary to verify compliance with the provisions of
this chapter. Officers performing inspections may do so without
providing prior notice or obtaining a warrant, and shall have the
authority to do all of the following:



(1) Take an inventory of all manufacturing equipment, including
the identification mark or unique identifying code that any piece
of equipment has been modified to apply.



(2) Review any optical disc, manufacturing equipment, optical
disc mold, or production part.



(3) Review any record, book, or document maintained under
Section 21807, kept in any format, electronic or otherwise, relating
to the business concerned.



(4) Inspect, remove, and detain for the purpose of examination
for as long as reasonably necessary any optical disc, production
part, or record, book, or document maintained under Section 21807.



(5) Seize any optical disc or production part manufactured in
violation of this chapter.



(6) Obtain and remove four samples each of the optical discs
molded by each mold that has been used or could be used to
manufacture optical discs.

(b) No person shall evade, obstruct, or refuse any inspection
requested or being carried out by a law enforcement officer to
determine compliance with this chapter. The manufacturer, and
the employees, servants, or agents of the manufacturer, shall
cooperate during the course of the inspection by promptly doing
all of the following:

(1) Providing and explaining any record, book, or document
required to be maintained pursuant to Section 21807.

(2) Pointing out and providing access to all optical discs,
manufacturing equipment, optical disc molds, and production parts
and demonstrating to the satisfaction of the officer that they include
or have been adapted to apply the required identification mark or
unique identifying code.

(3) Providing and permanently surrendering four samples each
of the optical discs molded by each mold that has been used or
could be used to manufacture optical discs...............


click link above for remaining information, including fines and punishment for violating the law.


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posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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I guess that's why "Nullifies" was in quotes. Thanks for the clarification.

Will do better to read sources thoroughly in the future.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by stasis

Originally posted by Watts
reply to post by OverMan
 


Could you provide a little detail about those and their relevance to this?



They contain warnings of dangers from tyranny that weaknesses in the proposed Constitution did not adequately provide against, and while some of those weaknesses were corrected by adoption of the Bill of Rights, others remained, and some of these dangers are nowcoming to pass.

Source

I have to admit, I had not read or researched the Anti-Federalist Papers. Thanks to Overman for the heads-up!


That's freaky. And its worse knowing we're powerless against what's happening so blatantly because the majority are blind sheep content as long as they have cable, alchohol and parties. Literally 99% of messages I get on FB are about the next themeless "themed" party at some random club.







 
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