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But have you ever noticed that when you become aware of your egotism, when you acknowledge "this thought or feeling is coming from my ego", humility arises and the ego disappears along with that thought/feeling? It cannot be found when this happens, at least until it arises again.
To say Ramana Maharshi, or Jiddu Krishnamurti, or Christ, or the Buddha, or any other of the many very wise human beings throughout our history are wrong on this would seem very egotistical to me, for, how can we as humans who have not achieved this level of wisdom judge their insightful wisdom as wrong?
Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy
No, we're just rational people who think that filtering everything through how one feels about it is retarded.
You're a feeler, I'm a thinker.
What of it?
It has nothing to do with "ego" or fear.
It's more like, WTF does this matter? WTH are mindless people trying to speak about things that can't be known, and can't possibly help out our species?!
Okay, so we're all one.
IT DOES NOTHING but helps people keep their heads in the sky, and deny reality.
You're trying to "teach" people to become mindless.
To deny their "ego"
WTF is an ego?
Qualify this term, please?
It's so much mindlessness, it makes me want to get a bazooka and floor the whole lot of you.
Here, I found you a mirror, kid:
GROW UP!!edit on 22-5-2011 by unityemissions because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
Be patient please. I have always been a logical, rational person. Mind over emotion type of fellow. But even emotion is a hindrance and is not what we are discussing here. This is hard for you to grasp because you've never experienced it, you haven't reached to that point where something feels wrong.
Have you ever thought of something, say life on other planets, or your purpose here and during your thoughts, somewhere, you begin to feel like you're falling into yourself. Like a hole of sorts, a hole of your own self and all your thoughts stop...but your mind thinks about this falling and it suddenly stops. You suddenly "snap back to reality" for lack of a better term. Has that ever happened to you? If it has, you will have a vague understanding of what it is we are speaking about.
Do you believe that you are your mind? That your thoughts are who you are? Most people do. I once did...and it hard to explain how I grew out of it, but I realised that you are not your thoughts or your mind. It is a part of you, a level of consciousness of you, but it is not your consciousness.
The body, mind, soul...all are various forms of consciousness and they follow their own paths, the body has its own way, the mind has its, and so does you....your soul. All of these things do not always function in accordance with the other. In fact, they mostly do not.The body is a simple survivalist mechanism, the brain is more advance and you, you are a lot more complex and wiser than the brain.
But you are soft and the more you're exposed to worldly affairs, the softer you become and the louder the mind becomes. You hear the mind, but you can only feel yourself.
This is not something that is easily explained. The ones who know of what I'm saying will understand clearly, you will not. What I encourage you to do though, is spend more time looking at things...be silent and observe the world. Watch everything and try to rest the mind; let things be. Try not to judge...and you will realise that the mind gets softer and you become louder. You start to hear yourself more and less of your mind.
There is nothing to loose, try it.
Originally posted by yyyyyyyyyy
You're completely correct in everything you are saying and yet... you may not have full access to all the facts.
And you asked me earlier, I've been influenced by Steven Brooks so I would ask you the question back and then feed-back the answers to you, so you can get my answer of what is enlightenment by asking yourself the question, hope that helps. If you want feel free to fight and fight and fight on this board and vent a little anger, hell, you can get angry at me if you want with my foolish answers that don't go anywhere.
The Psychopath: The Mask of Sanity
At the present time, there is something very scary going on in the metaphysical community: talk about the so-called "Indigo Children." One of the chief promoters of this idea, Wendy Chapman, writes: Indigo Children are the current generation being born today and most of those who are 8 years old or younger. They are different. They have very unique characteristics that set them apart from previous generations of children. [...] These are the children who are often rebellious to authority, nonconformist, extremely emotionally and sometimes physically sensitive or fragile, highly talented or academically gifted and often metaphysically gifted as well, usually intuitive, very often labeled ADD, either very empathic and compassionate OR very cold and callous, and are wise beyond their years. Does this sound like yourself or your child? Indigos have come into this world with difficult challenges to overcome. Their extreme levels of sensitivity are hard to understand and appreciate by parents who don't share this trait. Their giftedness is unusual in such high numbers. Their nonconformity to systems and to discipline will make it difficult to get through their childhood years and perhaps even their adult years. It is also what will help them accomplish big goals such as changing the educational system, for instance. Being an Indigo won't be easy for any of them, but it foretells a mission. The Indigo Children are the ones who have come to raise the vibration of our planet! These are the primary ones who will bring us the enlightenment to ascend. Sounds like a severe case of denial and wishful thinking, in my opinion. But, as we already understand the psychological reality is merely a tool for the Theological Reality, I suspect that the reader already has jumped ahead of me here and realizes what a big snow-job this "indigo children" deal is. Ms. Chapman has kindly provided a check-list to determine an "indigo child." After learning what we have about psychopaths, let's have a look at her list: Have strong self esteem, connection to source Know they belong here until they are told otherwise Have an obvious sense of self Have difficulty with discipline and authority Refuse to follow orders or directions Find it torture to waiting in lines, lack patience Get frustrated by ritual-oriented systems that require little creativity Often see better ways of doing thing at home and at school Are mostly nonconformists Do not respond to guilt trips, want good reasons Get bored rather easily with assigned tasks Are rather creative Are easily distractible, can do many things at once Display strong intuition Have strong empathy for others or NO empathy Develop abstract thinking very young Are gifted and/or talented, highly intelligent Are often identified or suspected of having ADD or ADHD, but can focus when they want to Are talented daydreamers and visionaries Have very old, deep, wise looking eyes Have spiritual intelligence and/or psychic skills Often express anger outwardly rather than inwardly and may have trouble with rage Need our support to discover themselves Are here to change the world - to help us live in greater harmony and peace with one another and to raise the vibration of the planet What we see above is a list that includes certain definitely psychopathic behaviors along with behaviors of gifted children. We have to wonder at the attempt to weave the two together. Where did this idea of "Indigo Children" come from? The phrase, "Indigo child" was coined by Nancy Ann Tappe in her book Understanding Your Life Through Color (1982) and refers to the color in these children's aura. Ms. Tappe was interviewed by Jan Tober for her book The Indigo Children (1999) and said: "These young children - every one of them I've seen thus far who kill their schoolmates or parents - have been Indigos." That didn't stop Tober from writing her book and declaring that these children are "Spiritual Masters, beings full of wisdom, here to teach us a new way of being." The way the followers of the idea justify the fact that "not all Indigo children are filled with unconditional love, tolerance and non-judgment," is by declaring that they require "special" treatment and handling with kid gloves because they are so special and delicate and sensitive. In a pig's eye. They are psychopaths and they have an altogether different agenda. And somehow, they are aware and seek to ensure that their offspring are well cared for, and that a lot of psychopaths grow up without being identified as what they are. Nevertheless, there is no explaining the extremes that "true believers" will go to in order to find excuses for inexcusable things. Elizabeth Kirby, a businesswoman in southern California, who has "studied and practiced metaphysics for the last 21 years," writes: In hearing about the school shootings, I knew Indigo children were pulling the triggers. The Columbine High School shooting was so horrific it caught everyone's attention. At the time my eldest daughter said to me, "Because they (Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold) were Indigos they wanted to do it, so they just did it. No remorse, no guilt, they just went ahead and shot all those people because they wanted to and felt they needed to." Indigo children don't have guilt to keep them in check and because they balk at authority they don't believe they have to follow the rules. Writers in mainstream America like Jonathan Kellerman are lumping the Indigo school shooters with the psychopaths; the dark entities who are bullies, con-men, stalkers, victimizers, serial killers and those who kill for thrills. I don't believe these Indigo children who have taken weapons to school to harm other children are psychopaths. They have been bullied and teased and have an avenger attitude seeking justice for injuries inflicted on them. They aren't killing just for the thrill of killing. These kids know changes have to be made within the school system and they chose violence to make their statement, to give us a wake up call. Some of these metaphysical Indigo children are not hesitant about using violence to bring about change, and to bring us to enlightenment. Indigo violence is here and it will continue, at least with this present generation of Indigo children. We are seeing with the current Indigo violence how the school system needs to be changed and how imperative it is to address the issues of bullying and intimidation in school. As the Indigo children grow to adulthood, their agendas will move out of the school system into our other systems, our social, political and judicial systems for example. Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, is an Indigo. Amazing, huh? Did you catch the remark: "Some of these metaphysical Indigo children are not hesitant about using violence to bring about change, and to bring us to enlightenment."
Originally posted by unityemissions
Another guy that things they know what I've experienced or haven't. Oh of course...if I don't match up with your philosophy I must not have experienced the depths of what you have..not logical and I'm not buying it.
Listen kid, I've had "out of body" experiences ever since I can remember. There's a rational explanation for it, and it has nothing to do with spirituality. The places that go berserk in the brain when this happens has to do with spatial orientation. Our minds seem to have a high priority of knowing where we are when we're conscious. Obviously, this is for survival. So once we trick our minds in one way or another, else have epileptic electrical storms in at least this brain region, we recruit other areas of the brain for help. Viola, out of body experience.
This is more irrational nonsense. IF I chop off my arm, I still will exist. IF I chop off my head....goodbye! I'm not merely my thoughts, I have feelings and emotions as well.
More nonsense. My brain is not my body?! WHAT?? Is my mind not my brain? REALLY? What about the people who get organic brain damage and turn psycho or genius, or into some madman? It happens. No reason to separate mind and the brain whatsoever.
You're trying to promote mindlessness. You have a mind, so why not use it for a change? Trying to tell people to quiet their mind is like trying to tell a viper not to attack it's prey. You can't do it without the result being death. Don't tell me about "ego death"..this new age nonsense is another way of saying "psychotic", or more specifically, depersonalization. Narcissists go psychotic all the time and think they're god.
Oh yeah, because I've never been psychotic before, and you would know this.
Well I have been. I've experienced a lot of trauma, and I've had many things happened which could be interpreted the way you say. You know what happened? I went insane, then realized how and why I went insane, then I did a lot of work to come back to sanity. What you guys are talking about is becoming entirely demoralized, and then losing your self in mindless idiocies. It does NOBODY any good in 2011.
Not judging has to be the most evil thing I've ever heard in my life. Have you no clue what monstrosities would arise in our society if 99% of us choose not to judge each other?! It's retarded.edit on 22-5-2011 by unityemissions because: (no reason given)
Name the 'greatest' human beings to ever walk this earth and even they have done 'bad' things and/or thought 'negative' thoughts. Name the 'worst' human beings to ever walk this earth and even they have done 'good' things and/or thought 'positive' thoughts. Instead of playing this egotistical game of judgment, of what is 'bad' and what is 'good', I think it is more important to let go of this desire and just be. When your able to do that you will feel an immense sense of wholeness, like an ocean of energy buzzing inside of you, that is the awakening. The whole 'path' to awakening is just a device to rid ourselves of the egoic conditioning that is blocking us from remaining in that experience.