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The Enlightened Ego - Solving the Problems of Awakening pt.1

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posted on May, 25 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Now this is a perfect example of an 'enlightened ego'.
Judging words like naive and folly and patronizingly wishing me luck.
edit on 25-5-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


The other sign of one is that you care enough to mention it. =)




posted on May, 25 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Cast away your human nature for that is what is suppressing your higher self from manifesting. You were originally from a higher dimension,but the weight of the impurities in your light energy body has made you so heavy that you have gone lower and lower into the lower dimensions. In your very soul you know how to rise up into the higher dimensions,but you must work upon yourselves to perceive once again what you really are and Not what you have become in the physical body. No body can help you to become a superior or higher being,It is you yourselves who are able to do that if you are willing to be humble and seek the knowledge that you have misplaced within you.



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Is it not your ego that dislikes what or how this thread was wrote? Is it not your ego that dislikes others sharing their "meditational and spiritual experiences" as you've said? Surely if it was not your ego taking in these words, but rather it was your sense of Self, there would be no problems. That almost seems a bit hypocritical to me.


Personally, I enjoy reading other people's accounts of meditational experiences, but as this is a thread about the "enlightened ego", I thought it would be relevant to mention that the sharing of spiritual experiences is itself a symptom of this "enlightened ego", and as such could become a hindrance to deeper spiritual experiences.

Actually, I thought that this is exactly what your opening post was all about. Am I mistaken?



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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When you have evolved and elevated to the state of real and true enlightenment as a spirit being in the physical body what you want to know is in your very senses as though it automatically flows out from within you.As you progress into a finer state of being your very own existence means nothing to you and you are a part of everything in the Universe.



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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It seems as if you have some sort of resentment about being in human form, as if you find it a mistake or error or you look down upon it.

Maybe this is the reason you find comfort in the idea that you are a higher being then others, a way for you to cope with your own human existence? Telling yourself your here to help others ring true for you?

We are not really separate at all...we are all of 'one'. We should be working on being a harmonic being amongst others....not to become superior or higher then them. They are a part of us and we them.

The work to do, is right here on earth...not somewhere 'out there' or 'up there'.

This life is not about paying the price for impurities...its about 'being of the expression that we, as a 'one'...expressed.

Edit to add...we are a part of everything and yes that can be discovered...but I still disagree with the idea that we are here due to impurities.
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posted on May, 25 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
I can relate to what mystic is saying here.

I learned, after sharing alot of my what I will call 'spiritual experiences', that these experiences were tied very personally to the 'I' of me.

Spiritual experiences, feed the ego. Mainly they have something to show to the person about themselves, their desires, what they long for. Or they feed the 'self' in a way that its in need of, like comfort or being loved or simply filling the 'fear of the unknown' with a 'known'.

And I can see what mystic is saying about how we can 'live for others' without sharing those inner experiences.

If we learn, through spiritual experiences, lets say the importance of oneness. We dont have to tell others about the experiences, to live our life then more as being of a 'one' rather then a individual self. What we have learned, will shine through in the way we live.

It can be very complicated and I have found that others spiritual experiences, are personal to them, have something to show them about themselves more so then for them to tell to the world.

Does that make sense?

But I do think we can look at all the spiritual experiences that have ever been shared by man, to understand this. That spiritual experiences are obviously very different to each individual and to me, this taught me, through reading and observing many others experiences....that spiritual experiences dont hold some worldly truth that another man has to tell to another man...but that spiritual experiences are directly related to and connected to, that individual and their fears, their desires, their dreams.

Learning this...and seeing how the mind creates things for us to feed what ever it is we are seeking or in need of, is not easy and many can not even consider such an idea that spiritual experiences are not some 'real thing' that holds worldly knowledge.




What misticnoon and you have said is correct. Those who tells of their experiences do not realise it but subconsciously they are feeding their ego because they feel good that they are in a higher state of vibration than others.



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Dear leovirgo,All beings in the lower dimensions are there to learn and to grind off their impurities and other reasons.. It is hard for those in this lower dimension to make sense off,or comprehend it That is the ego making them feel and think that they do not have bad vibrations in the and they are here do do things that their mind is presenting. As you evolve you intelligence will mature and you will make sense of,comprehend and understand what has been said.Read what has been said and chew on it before saying things about what you think we are feeling. Misunderstanding and jumping to the wrong conclusion about others state of consciousness is a growing problem in forums and keeping what you think others are to yourself is the kindest thing that you can do.



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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It seems as if you have some sort of resentment about being in human form, as if you find it a mistake or error or you look down upon it.

Maybe this is the reason you find comfort in the idea that you are a higher being then others, a way for you to cope with your own human existence.
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What authority gives you the idea that we have resentments about being human. Do not let senseless ideas creep into your mind and give you the wrong impression of what others feel. In your limited understanding of existence,you do not even consider that a higher being can merge with and use the physical human consciousness to help those who are humble enough to want to learn.



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Do you even realise that it is your ego playing with you to give you the idea in thinking that we resent the human body. For you to put it in words is akin to you believing what you say and that is egoistic of you.



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by mysticnoon
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Is it not your ego that dislikes what or how this thread was wrote? Is it not your ego that dislikes others sharing their "meditational and spiritual experiences" as you've said? Surely if it was not your ego taking in these words, but rather it was your sense of Self, there would be no problems. That almost seems a bit hypocritical to me.


Personally, I enjoy reading other people's accounts of meditational experiences, but as this is a thread about the "enlightened ego", I thought it would be relevant to mention that the sharing of spiritual experiences is itself a symptom of this "enlightened ego", and as such could become a hindrance to deeper spiritual experiences.

Actually, I thought that this is exactly what your opening post was all about. Am I mistaken?





No you are very much correct. It just seemed you and a few others had some problems with what was written. Maybe I was mistaken. Nonetheless, I have enjoyed your contributions. They have been very helpful to myself.

Peace friend.



posted on May, 25 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Hey, there are always going to be those who do not understand you and that is ok. All you can do is speak with honesty and sincerity and let others perceive what you say as they want.

But this thread was not meant to act as a medium to ego check people's posts, or as misticmoon said to ego patrol. If someone is seeking spiritual awakening the ego check is for them to check within themselves only, not within others. If they are not honest with themselves about this, or are blinded to its reality, than sooner or later they will be forced to analyze its reality when they continue to suffer from mundane things. They most likely will come to this "roadblock" in their spiritual progression and either do some introspection or just quit their search all together. Either way this should not effect us in any negative way, so all is good in the end my friend.

Peace.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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Thank you Dear friend. Please do NOT jump to the wrong idea and misunderstand that we are picking out the egomaniacs. We are mere pointing out their faults from an observer view point so that they can reflect and correct their attitude.We do not care to reply to those who do not want help. It is good that some of you take an intelligent poke at us,because we would not have revealed so much without your curiosity.
We are not telling you all what to believe.The path to understanding the universe is yours to choose.If you take the wrong path, you will have more suffering andmore lifetimes to go through to realise the truth.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by 1Starman
Dear leovirgo,All beings in the lower dimensions are there to learn and to grind off their impurities and other reasons.. It is hard for those in this lower dimension to make sense off,or comprehend it That is the ego making them feel and think that they do not have bad vibrations in the and they are here do do things that their mind is presenting. As you evolve you intelligence will mature and you will make sense of,comprehend and understand what has been said.Read what has been said and chew on it before saying things about what you think we are feeling. Misunderstanding and jumping to the wrong conclusion about others state of consciousness is a growing problem in forums and keeping what you think others are to yourself is the kindest thing that you can do.


Hello Starman

Dont get me wrong...I love feedback and love to see what other people feel they understand.I am able to appreciate that we all have our own reasons for understanding what we do, and what we do not.

You have reasons you feel that we have impurities and that is why we come here...and I have reasons to not agree with that. Just because I share that, as you have shared also what you feel...should not make either one of us feel that we should not share with others, what it is we understand from our own limited point of view. I can admit, and know, and have no issues with...that understanding things while in the flesh body, limits us.

I would love for you to share why you think we come here mainly due to being impure...and maybe that can challenge my own understanding and Im open to that and welcome it.

I guess to me, suggesting impurity before incarnating here...suggests that we made some wrong choices. My issue with that is...there really are no wrongs. For all things lead us to where we need to be.

It makes no sense to me that we were of higher dimension....and then came to lower. For we are 'all'. We are the Spirit in the seen and we are the Spirit in the unseen.

I feel you are saying to focus on trying to raise the vibration of the self, so we can return to this 'higher dimension'....and where Im at with understanding things...its not about the 'self' at all, after you understand certain things. And you too...have said this to...that once you understand, we are everything, there is no concern about the 'self'.

So maybe that explains a bit where I see a little contradiction in what you say...maybe we have middle grounds we can stand on.

As Spirit emanates into its own expression of being....there is 'cause and effect'. The effect, of Spirit thinking its in separate bodies, separate forms, individual consciousness with a whole span of different personalities...'causes' certain things to happen. Those things can be 'pride, greed, competition, basically, your common duality...and its all meant to be. So the process begins...as a conscious being arises in the emanation...it see's itself as being separate from all things in this 'dream expression of being'....and that illusion of separation...causes the human nature. Its natural that the human nature, will long for the self it thinks it is...long for individuality. But before incarnating, emanating, into the 'human nature'....from what I personally understand...'before' there are no impurities.

Being of the flesh...is very much tied to the whole 'seen' of the whole universal expression of Spirit. Of the Sun, Moon, this solar system, the earth, the air, water....we are of all of these things in a very direct way.

I will say...I do believe in different vibrations of energy. I would not call any higher or lower, but just different states of being. Maybe one more of Spirit vibration then of flesh...maybe more of the vibration of being one with all things then being restricted to just the 'self'. Im sure you could agree that using words like higher and lower...create issues.

I dont think its about us being individuals before we were here or after we are here. I think we are one and if we long for being a self before or after, past or future, then that only shows a reflection of what we are still living for, in the present.

I wish you well and no ill will
LV



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Hi Life!

I hope you didnt misunderstand me. Im not against sharing experiences and I love love love to observe others, for I feel they are a part of me, figuring things out in their own little experiences.

I just think, we alot of the time, misunderstand what spiritual experiences are. I think Spiritual experiences can be taken alot of the time as 'real things', like some other world we are pearing into when really, we are peaking into, the depths of our mind and Spirit entangled.

We see people that have experiences of other races of aliens, we see people that experience going to other planets, that find out we are not from Earth, that figure out this world is a prison planet (or not)....we see such a variety in spiritual experiences and I can only understand from that, the experience then, is personal, to that person.

I can see now...all the dreams and experiences I have shared in the past 3 years on here...is a look into my own soul (phase of being)...and as well, a look into my mothers because I have shared her NDE here (though with her permission).

I dont think I would change any of that sharing and I dont regret sharing it...because through observing others paths over the years, we can see 'why' they experienced what they did and how it reflects in what they understand, what they can accept, what they may still fear, and what they desire or what they have learned to let go of in those desires.

What I see in anothers experiences, will be limited due to my own 'state of being'. And the same way with anyone observing anothers path and experiences. In the end, the experience itself has more to show the individual that had the experience or that was even a part of the experience....then it does anyone else in the world. When I shared my mothers experience here...I did not realize this. I also, feel that her experience was not only something to show to her....because as fate had it, I was by her bedside the whole 9 hours for her to tell it all to me. I could be wrong...but since I believe in oneness...that it was fate I was by her side in that 9 hours and that her experience, her personal experience, also had something to offer me to observe. But still...it had for the most part, a offering to her...to show her where she was at on her path, to show her a deep look into her own state of being.

I have now become more reserved in sharing experiences, and use them for work on myself by trying to be honest and see if the experience shows some human desires or human fears that I need to work with.

I clearly remember one of my last really strong experiences and it occurred when I was feeling the need to make a choice in what I lived for in this life. It was as if I was flying through space...further and further away from earth...and along that path I was thinking about the 'self' being my focus of living...the hopes that I as a self, would 'rise, ascend, be saved'...what ever word you want to use there. As I came upon a black hole...the experience tested me. The flesh of me, the human nature in me, longed to be a individual....but the soul...saw itself as a part of everything, it was simple a phase of being and it longed for harmony, awareness of its unity, with all things. The experience represented, my inner battle. Many of the dreams I experienced, clearly also showed, this inner battle and the 'working mind' of my phase of being. Sometimes the experiences fed my ego in what I longed for in my human nature...and the more I worked on discerning between the human nature and nature of Spirit....the less my experiences were about the 'self' and became more about 'the all'.

They were not experiences that was going to help anyone else understand things...they were solely for me and where I was at on my path, what I was in need of, and sometimes, even showed me things I did not want to see.

I think by observing many peoples experiences, we can get an idea of not only where people at on a personal level...but where the world is at, as a unit. Of course, all still filtered through by our own limited understanding of what we should live for and what our purpose is.



Much love
LV



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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I can literally say, there are posts on this particular thread that has changed my life.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Please help me wise/intelligent spiritual people on this particular thread, you and I know who you are.

I cannot continue to play this fake game of life. I have the utmost disinterest in it.

I was born on May 31st, 1986 in Trinidad and Tobago. I will be 25 in a few days.

Since a young age i've always been popular in the material world, I had lots of friends. Everyone finds me "VERY" funny, I think at a young age I've been able to control others emotions, for the better or the worse. (Now that I think of it, this has literally no meaning whatsoever for me typing, but I will not delete it because maybe it does have some meaning that others will understand).

I'll get to the point.

This world is too fake for me. I see it everywhere, in everyone. Its all lies to me. I feel like I am the only one who sees this but, stumbling across this particular thread has shown me that I am normal.

Its funny, I came across ATS mainly for the pointless doom and gloom threads and learning the most up to date info into whats going on in this world. Its done its job. If everything happens for a reason then it was no mistake i've come upon ATS and stumbled apon this thread in this particular part of my life.

I feel like I am at the point in life where I can either go the fake way or the real way (IMO). I dont know if I am right or wrong in this matter. To me, MOST everyone in life goes the fake way into doing things that dont matter in search of a happiness they will never achieve. I want to go the other way. I want to follow my heart and soul and not listen to everyone who "in my opinion" have the wrong answers.

I live with my Mom, my sister, my grandma is visiting and will be leaving soon and my 2 year old nephew who was born 1 day before me, on different years of course.

My mom is the most egotistical person I've ever "noticed". I love my mom more than anyone in this world. On my right arm there is a tattoo that writes, "the only woman I love is my mom", love for her is not of the question. She has so much (in my opinion) FAKE hate in her. She is so caught up in appearance and she has opinions on things before she deeply or even barely understands them. She is quick to call out flaws in people when she has her own. I feel like she is being "fake" with herself. We have a gold fish that is dying. She made me take it out the tank and put it in a bowl. The fish was literally about to die. It was barely breathing and my mom refused to give up on it. I saw that deep down inside she really does care about life and its purpose. In my opinion this shows she is being fake to her true self and the world of material things have strayed her.

My mom along with my sister and her boyfriend (My nephews father) are so unbelievably reliant on material needs its depressing and it takes alot out of me on my spiritual journey (in my opinion). They are all about money and hard work and having "nice things" in life and view me as lazy or that I am not doing anything (maybe I am). Its so hard to live a life where everyone is telling you to go to school, make money, find a woman, do this do that, when, all I REALLY want to do is be happy (Will going to school, making money, finding a woman and doing this and that, make me genuinely happy?)

I need help, there is sooooooo much I want to ask and sooooooooo much I need to learn. Every once in a while someone says something on here that I feel was directed towards me (maybe im crazy). Asking questions like this may seem a little weird to normal everyday people, but I feel like I was meant to be here asking these questions and really contemplating the answers.

I do not know the answers and may not ever will. But unlike the rest of the world..I AM WILLING TO TRY.
I AM WILLING TO GIVE UP EVERYTHING TO KNOW THE TRUTH (EVEN IF THERE IS NONE). I WILL GIVE UP MY HOUSE, MY FAMILY AND ALL MATERIAL NEEDS IF THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO DO. I AM WILLING TO BECOME A MONK AND MEDITATE ALL DAY AND NIGHT IF THAT BRINGS ME TRUE HAPPINESS AND TRUE HAPPINESS IS THE TRUE GOAL IN LIFE.

PLEASE HELP ME.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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Hey friend, thanks for stopping by. It seems you are in a place that many of us have gone through, or are still going through. That is the first thing to understand, 'we' who seek other 'ways' might be rare in the grand scheme of things, but you are not alone in these feelings. In fact, I truly believe most people feel as you do, but like you said they are so caught up in material gratification that they cannot see any other way so they learn to conform to it.

Your passion to find another 'way' is expected at this stage, and it is needed for you to remain focused on your goal. It is like you have finally excepted that the way society (majority of people) is living is not conducive to your health or your happiness, and you are ready to let go of it all. That is an essential insight for you to have as you begin. But try to remain calm and not overdue it so fast, that will most likely lead you to one or both of the hindrances that were described in the OP, and it may make your 'journey' and life that much harder.

From what I have read in your post, the best advice I can give you is to remain patient and follow your heart (it seems like a good one to me
). Begin to study some of the great Masters teachings (i.e. Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Jiddu Krishnamurti...) and most importantly begin to practice meditation. In the end you will be your best teacher, but by studying these other teachers who have already gotten where you are trying to 'go' you can gain better insight into all of this.

If you have particular questions please ask them, there are many wise people in this thread that I am sure would be more than willing to help you out.

Peace friend.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Thank you so much for caring enough to take the extra few minutes to think deeply about someone you have never met. So am I going too fast? Should I slow down and live in the stage that is life? Is it hard to pretend that you care all the time? For the brief time of "pretending to care" about other human beings material world all I do is get frustrated. Is this holding me back? Is it possible to live in your mind and also this frustrating material world?

Like my sister and her son (my nephew).
Every time she "thinks" hes in danger of any sort, small or big she panicks, which im sure every other mother does. This frustrates me because If I am with him does she actually think I would "purposely mistakenly" put my nephew in any danger? To me, it seems like she thinks, "im not thinking" and not paying attention to the things that could hurt him.

Its not just my sister. Im sure its 99% of mothers across this planet that are like this.

I view it as, nobody wants anything to happen bad to any child. And if something did happen. It was a complete mistake and might be meant to happen. I dont think instilling a constant state of "fear" that something might happen onto your child is healthy. But maybe im wrong.

Why do we think as a child grows up from always telling him what to do, this might hurt, be carely, watch out..the child grows to an adult and is fearful of everything? But maybe im wrong, I honestly dont know anymore If I am talking just to speak and I really understand something I dont think I understand.

Oh well?

And lately, I dont really search for certain posters or certain messengers. I usually read every post to what it actually is, a "message". Sometimes people say something that they literally find no meaning in and it strikes a cord inside of me. As if the message they thought of and wrote was a message for specifically me and even though they thought they said nothing of importance, it made me understand something "more" about "something" (usually myself). Maybe im crazy?

I dont really believe in religion, but Always deep down inside KNEW there WAS a god, with any doubt in my mind. And unwavering belief, if you will. I have come to a stand still with religion with the thought that, "If one religion was the absolute answer, why does not every man, woman, and child have access to ONE RELIGION. If one religion was the answer then, in my opinion of course. Everyone would have access to this one religion and would have a choice of choosing another religion. But if ONE religion was the TRUE ANSWER, EVERYONE would have access to it.

Why do Christians say the only way to god is Christ when people around the world in poverty have no access to a bible or have even heard the word, "Jesus Christ".

To me, god is not that cruel. To care for something to even have to access to the "TRUE RELIGION" and others to be just unfortunate enough to be born in a different part of the world.

Sorry, that doesnt make sense.

And its not just Christianity, its all religions.

But then again,
I used to "consider" myself a Christian. I would always wear a cross with Jesus on it as a necklace and everyone would comment on it. Maybe "Jesus" is putting me through some kind of test right now. Like I said, I do not know everything.

Yesterday, something came across me. I dont know if I created it or something else. I got down on my hands and knees and said the "lords prayer". I always have said the lords prayer as an act of faith in god. Thinking now, I literally do not understand the lords prayer and if its words suit what I am thinking. I still say it.

After the prayer I stood up and looked up and said, "God let me be the one, let me be the one that changes the world" I dont know if that was an act of insanity or an act of love. I had tears.

As for the ego, I have my understanding of it through little phrases and sentences that ring true to me. Some of it in the very same sentence or paragraph doesnt "fair to me" Not every word is correct in paragraph but sometimes just a few worlds that just "feel right". This could be wrong, everything could be right and im just picking and choosing. I dont know everything.

I dont know what to think or do. But I will keep reading these messages I get through this computer of mine and contemplate them as if they were mine. I will never again look at the poster or messenger. I will only look at the message itself. To me there are alot of diamonds in the rough when it comes from intellegent human beings that have time to think about something they would usually just blurt out. But maybe im wrong?

edit on 26-5-2011 by itsJUSTzo because: But maybe im wrong?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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Sometimes its important to disconnect yourself from everyday life, look at yourself and your life from a distance. We can get so caught up in everyday problems and drama that we forget how beautiful life really is. Focus on the now and realize that only you can make your life the way you want it, only you can make your life miserable or blissful.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Hey buddy, no problem at all. You gave a lot to digest here so let's just take this step by step.

Caring

You should never "pretend to care". That is what would be labeled under what I would call "Self-betrayal", which I am planning to go into further detail on in a later thread. If you don't want to care about something or someone then don't, doing so is only detrimental to yourself and others in that it is not sincere and thus can be damaging to all parties involved, including yourself. But maybe you should seek deeper into yourself for why you don't care.

Is it because of some sort of bitterness or resentment deep inside of you because you realize what 'they' are doing is wrong and they won't listen to you and change? It sounds like this could be true. If so, you must let go of this strong passion to help others who are not interested in being helped at this time. It will only drive you crazy and ruin your relationships, and make the 'truth' that much harder to find.

I can relate to this feeling of wanting to change all that I see as wrong with this world. But in the end I found that this is impossible. I also found that even though this desire has a certain level of compassion attached to it, it was deeply rooted in my ego. In fact, in trying to do so you will probably create more damage then you could ever realize. It has taken life a long time to get to this point, and it will take a long time to change into something better.

You obviously already do care, if not you wouldn't be concerning yourself with these issues. So do what you can, what feels healthy and natural to you, and that is all. If your sister needs help taking care of your nephew, and you don't mind doing so, then do so for your nephew's sake. As far as changing her parenting habits, like being fearful of everything, there is not much more you can do but just mention to her the effects it has on not only herself but everyone else around her. To do this you will first have to carefully observe what these effects are, only then can you determine what should be done about it. If she doesn't except what you say as true then there really is nothing else left to do, so you should just let it go until a more suitable time. This also may be a good time to then re-analyze your own insights into the situation and determine if your beliefs were correct or if your approach was too hostile or authoritative.

Religion

I mostly agree with everything you stated here. If one religion was truly the absolute answer then everyone would follow it. However, you must take into account that not all people are coming from the same frame of mind, the same cultural background, or the same circumstances in life. So this is definitely part of the reason. You also should understand that most religions are created around an enlightened beings teachings, but most of the people who have progressed these religions to where they are today, insofar as the followers, were/are not enlightened themselves so misunderstandings and distortions of the original message are inevitable. Although the religions of the world most definitely have vast differences and conflict with each other, I truly believe the enlightened beings whom these religions were founded after all experienced and 'saw' the same things. So on a fundamental level, it is not these enlightened beings who these religions were founded after that are in conflict with each other but rather the people following them, those who are not enlightened themselves and thus misunderstand 'their' teachers words.

There is a Buddhist saying that goes, "A Buddha is always going to be misunderstood, that is why they are a Buddha."

As far as praying to God to be the chosen one to change the world, that is very compassionate of you being that you would have to sacrifice everything to even have a chance at achieving that, but ultimately this is a construct of your egoic thoughts. Be careful with this thought, it might be a helpful tool to keep your passion strong, but it will most definitely delude your perception of reality and hinder your ability to awaken. Humble yourself by knowing that the 'greatest' men to ever walk this earth were not "chosen" to become the 'greatest', they simply were in the right place at the right time and allowed themselves to become this. People like Gandhi, Dr. King, Buddha, Jesus... did not forcefully set out to become the 'greatest' men, they allowed themselves to become this by opening their hearts to all and accepting the role they were placed in by circumstance. They did not achieve this chance by worshiping or praying to God, they received this chance through a matter of remaining open to circumstance. I recommend not concerning yourself with this thought any further as it will most likely be very distracting and Self deluding.



I like your idea of not concerning yourself with who the poster is, but only the message that is given. That is truly a noble thing that will take a great deal of patience and attention to remain true to, but it shows your level of desire to learn insofar as your level of unconcern for peoples egoic and idolatrous persona's. This a great thing!

Good luck friend.
Peace.

edit on 26-5-2011 by LifeIsEnergy because: (no reason given)

edit on 26-5-2011 by LifeIsEnergy because: (no reason given)



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