DEA accidentally finds guns from ATF "gunwalker"

Oops!

CBS News has learned that the DEA has confiscated a stash of assault rifles connected to ATF's Fast and Furious operation. It's a major seizure of weapons in the controversial ATF case that's the subject of at least two investigations. Sources say it's believed the suspects intended to take the guns to Mexico.

All the covering the ATF has been doing over the past couple of months hasnt been thorough enough I guess.

The ATF is trying to get them back from the DEA:

At least two suspects were arrested in the April 13 DEA gun bust. Since then, sources say ATF and DEA have been in a tug of war over who should hold the weapons. The DEA is said to want to keep the weapons (and its own case) separate from ATF controversy. Today, the Dept. of Justice, which oversees DEA and ATF, provided no immediate comment or information.

They keep refusing to comply with congressional subpenas, keep shifting around their agents like pedophile priests, and now they're trying to round up all the loose ends they've left.

CBS News

Wow. It's like two rabid dogs have been set loose in the same yard.

Wonder who will win.

Originally posted by Schkeptick
Wow. It's like two rabid dogs have been set loose in the same yard.

Wonder who will win.

Isn't dog fighting illegal?

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Dear Lord.

This kind of turf war is asinine.

Always has been.

The only good thing about the creation of Homeland Security was it was negated.

For the most part at least.

The Underground Empire: Where Crime and Governments Embrace

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Quote from : The Underground Empire - Where Crime and Governments Embrace : Excerpt [Page 3:]

The inhabitants of the earth spend more money on illegal drugs than they spend on food.

More than they spend on housing, clothes, education, medical care, or any other product or service.

The international narcotics industry is the largest growth industry in the world.

Its annual revenues exceed half a trillion dollars -- three times the value of all United States currency in circulation, more than the gross national products of all but a half dozen of the major industrialized nations.

To imagine the immensity of such wealth consider this: A million dollars in gold would weigh as much as a large man.

A half-trillion dollars would weigh more than the entire population of Washington, D.C. Narcotics industry profits, secretly stockpiled in countries competing for the business, draw interest exceeding $3 million per hour.

To what use will this money eventually be put?

What will be its ultimate effect?

Though everyone knows narcotics is big business, its truly staggering dimensions have never been fully publicized.

The statistics on which the above statements are based appear in classified documents prepared with the participation of the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency.

These studies are circulated in numbered copies with warnings of "criminal sanctions" for unauthorized disclosure.

Why is this information withheld from public view?

The international narcotics industry is, in fact, not an industry at all, but an empire.

Sovereign, proud, expansionist, this Underground Empire, though frequently torn by internal struggle, never fails to present a solid front to the world at large.

It has become today as ruthlessly acquisitive and exploitative as any nineteenth-century imperial kingdom, as far-reaching as the British Empire, as determinedly cohesive as the states of the American republic.

Aggressive and violent by nature, the Underground Empire maintains its own armies, diplomats, intelligence services, banks, merchant fleets, and air lines.

It seeks to extend its dominance by any means, from clandestine subversion to open warfare.

Legitimate nations combat its agents within their own borders, but effectively ignore its power internationally. The United States government, while launching cosmetic "wars" on drugs and crime, has rarely attacked the Empire abroad, has never substantially diminished its international power, and does not today seriously challenge its growing threat to world stability.

Why is this so?

Do the world's governments not want to eliminate this expanding source of criminal wealth and power?

Has there in fact never been an attempt to mount a truly effective global assault against it?

Has there never existed -- does there not exist today -- some hidden, unpublicized, international force struggling against the Underground Empire?

Then again turf wars and funding wars seem part and parcel for Law Enforcement.

No one actually wants to solve the problems only get funding to appear to do so.

Which only perpetuates more crime on all levels including the federal level.

From what I have read of this over the last few months, it seems the ATF is actively involved in creating the very situations it is tasked with preventing. Basically justifying it's own existence and budgets. But, isn't that seemingly endemic in most government agencies though, right to the very top with creating wars for private profit and selling them to the public as necessary for national security?

That American citizens are in danger from the actions of ATF and have, in fact, died from their actions, you'd think heads would have rolled long before now. That no prosecutions have taken place, so far, would seem to indicate that the actions of ATF are rubberstamped and approved at a very high level.

A clear case of the old "Problem, Reaction, Solution" doctrine once again being applied for profit.

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That's exactly what it's doing.

It's what pretty much all law enforcement / alphabet agencies do.

They create the problem, trap a handful of violators, and consequently give the problem fuel in the process so it explodes into an even bigger problem then they turn around and ask the politicians and voting idiots for more money and more power to combat the growing problem.

It's an awful mess nobody wants to admit to because it's great for money and power.

Ooof!! It's called job security. Govt. entities are very good at creating their own "work" in order to maintain viability and their share of the budget pie. Use it or lose it in the realm of budgets and cuts and last I checked there are no federal agencies that are involved in reducing their budgets. Not only do we have disasters like this we have the constant implementation of new regulations, rules and laws built on top of a heap of existing regulations etc. All for the sake of building the bureaucracy to secure their own futures. I say Horse !@#@ to it all.

Interesting development thanks for the heads up.