5-21-2011 Rapture... Get the facts strait...

reply to post by clangers23


First, I noticed that you did NOT come up with any quotes from the koran to negate the ones I posted.

Second, all your quotes are from the old testament. In a post above this one I stated,



"The harshness of the Old Testament was before the forgiveness of Jesus came into the world.

With Jesus came a new beginning and a new chance for forgiveness for ALL people who come to Him and accept his sacrifice in a personal way.

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow
reply to post by clangers23

 

First, I noticed that you did NOT come up with any quotes from the koran to negate the ones I posted.

Second, all your quotes are from the old testament. In a post above this one I stated,



"The harshness of the Old Testament was before the forgiveness of Jesus came into the world.

With Jesus came a new beginning and a new chance for forgiveness for ALL people who come to Him and accept his sacrifice in a personal way.

But I did come up with quotes annihilating your whole post. And not you, not even a trillion of people like you can refute those claims of mine. BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE QUR'AN.

You can continue to rely on your anti-islamic websites and be a bigot, or you can actually read the Qur'an for yourself and see the truth.

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi


I went out and bought a koran for myself because I didn't want to take someone elses word for the horrible things I heard it said.

It took me about 3 minuets to find them for myself.

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

I went out and bought a koran for myself because I didn't want to take someone elses word for the horrible things I heard it said.

It took me about 3 minuets to find them for myself.

Then read FURTHER. I already posted my reply.

For example - DO NOT QUOTE only 9:5 here - and CONVENIENTLY leave out 9:6! That is bigotry!

If you read the whole chapter 9 you will clearly see that it is talking about a treaty muslims had with makkan pagans.

It was THE PAGANS that BROKE THE TREATY - so God gives them 4 months to come back to the treaty otherwise the permission is given to muslims to fight.

And even if they do not repsect the treaty, STILL God commands the muslims to escort to safety those who repent and are sorry for braking the treaty.

The same things applies to ALL the verses you have quoted. Do not just RIP one verse out of it's historical and textual context!

reply to post by EvolEric


Excellent well-put thread sir.

Well the day is here. At what time should I hope some of the population disappears?

Time to set the record straight:

ANY Religion that says it's the "right" one and all others are wrong, is itself, wrong. God loves every child equally. God knew what we were going to do with our lives before creating each of us here on Earth. Do you think God would send you here, knowing that you'd pick the "wrong" religion and therefore be assigned to everlasting hell/damnation after physical death? No loving Father/Mother would do that their children.

-CWM

reply to post by Qumulys


If you think all people of a religion are so because they're born into it, you are wrong and you need to research people of different countries and their background. The number of Christians in China have been rising over the past several years with well over 300 million Chinese Christians in China. It has nothing to do with being born into it for a real Christian is not one by their own choice but chosen by the Father. All the Father gives the Son will come to Him.

reply to post by Ashyr


Way to cut out the parts you liked, go back and read my post clearly you do not understand i never said the world would explode lmao

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi


The point is Jesus and neither His apostles ever taught to use violence and instead the opposite.
The apostles gave their life up for the faith as well as countless other Christian's. Where Jesus said He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword and to turn the other cheek, Muhammad forced Islam on people and raised the blade.
People that kill in the name of God are not following God. Jesus speaking to His apostles said, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

Jesus & His apostles made thing's very clear and God does not change. Going by both the Old & New Testament books it's proven that Muhammad is a false prophet, and really prophesied nothing. He believed himself to be possessed and under the spell of a witch. One of his wives named Aisha was 6 and consummated it when she was 9. These are facts which cannot be denied.

You'll know a true follower of God by the fruit he or she bears. Jesus is the only way, all else are the broad path which Jesus warns us against. They are the path of thieves and robbers. The only way to life is the straight, narrow path. It's very evident that the Qu'ran is a mix of muddied truth and outright lie and is anti-Christ. Gabriel would not have had delivered supposed Qu'ran that existed always in heaven which contradict what Gabriel himself told Mary & Joseph and which the LORD had said. It is said that Allah is the best of deceivers. A deceiver is a liar and Jesus said the father of all lies is the devil.

I had to reply to you with these FACTS and have nothing else to say to you.

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

The point is Jesus and neither His apostles ever taught to use violence and instead the opposite.
The apostles gave their life up for the faith as well as countless other Christian's. Where Jesus said He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword and to turn the other cheek, Muhammad forced Islam on people and raised the blade.
People that kill in the name of God are not following God. Jesus speaking to His apostles said, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

Jesus & His apostles made thing's very clear and God does not change. Going by both the Old & New Testament books it's proven that Muhammad is a false prophet, and really prophesied nothing. He believed himself to be possessed and under the spell of a witch. One of his wives named Aisha was 6 and consummated it when she was 9. These are facts which cannot be denied.

You'll know a true follower of God by the fruit he or she bears. Jesus is the only way, all else are the broad path which Jesus warns us against. They are the path of thieves and robbers. The only way to life is the straight, narrow path. It's very evident that the Qu'ran is a mix of muddied truth and outright lie and is anti-Christ. Gabriel would not have had delivered supposed Qu'ran that existed always in heaven which contradict what Gabriel himself told Mary & Joseph and which the LORD had said. It is said that Allah is the best of deceivers. A deceiver is a liar and Jesus said the father of all lies is the devil.

I had to reply to you with these FACTS and have nothing else to say to you.

edit on 21-5-2011 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

Seldom have I seen so much ignorance bundled.

I only have one quote of Jesus for you:

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and SLAY THEM in front of me." (Luke, 19:27)

And no, this is not out of context. Yes, Jesus is setting a parable. But it is JESUS presented as the King here, so Jesus is indeed talking about himself (ALL CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS AGREE).

G'day to you.

And the circle of intolerance is, once again, complete.
Doesn't the hate ever get too much to bear?

Originally posted by EvolEric
I've seen too many people on here mock Christians
over this stupid Rapture prophecy BS...

I wanna set some things strait...


Christians are not saying this... extreme fundamentalist lunatic's are...

I'm Christian... my family is Christian... we aren't saying the rapture is coming...

Jesus did not predict Sunday's Rapture...

The Bible is not saying 5-21-2011 is the Rapture


A lunatic by the name of Harold Camping did....


This is what is in the Bible says about the Rapture and the End of Time...

Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Acts 1:7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has put in his own authority.

Mathew 24:36 "But the day and hour no one knows.not even the angels in heaven,but my Father only.

If Harold and his followers actually read the Bible...

They would know they were wrong...

Harold Camping is a false profit...

-End of Line

edit on 5/20/11 by EvolEric because: (no reason given)

Man, you sound just like the Muslims that go - "WE didn't bomb you, that nutcase fundamentalist did!"

I wonder if we should listen to you since we don't listen to any of them.

Khar

Originally posted by jimnuggits
And the circle of intolerance is, once again, complete.
Doesn't the hate ever get too much to bear?

You see Jim, I do not hate them. But many of them indeed hate me.

How do I know this?

I never insult Jesus. I never say he is a bastard or whatever. I never say Moses is a warmonger or whatever.

But I have to constantly read attacks from them telling me that "Muhammad was a pedophile, rapist, terrorist, warmonger, bastard, thief, liar, satan, antichrist ..." and so on and so on.

THAT is the difference between me and them.

I LOVE JESUS. They HATE Muhammad.

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow
reply to post by clangers23

 

First, I noticed that you did NOT come up with any quotes from the koran to negate the ones I posted.

Second, all your quotes are from the old testament. In a post above this one I stated,



"The harshness of the Old Testament was before the forgiveness of Jesus came into the world.

With Jesus came a new beginning and a new chance for forgiveness for ALL people who come to Him and accept his sacrifice in a personal way.

The point I was trying to make is that anyone can selectively delve into any religious doctrine to support an argument. More concerning is the reason why you feel the need to re-enforce you're own beliefs by denegrating another religion? What does it matter what the Koran says? How does that validate the bible?

Personally I don't remotely believe the bible is the word of God. It is the word of man, a document drawn together attempting to unify the numerous Christian sects that formed over the 300 years post the existence of Jesus.

God did not make man.... Man made God. Period. I mean just read the complete and utter nonsense in the threads. One big fairy tale fiction novel is what the bible is. I can see it now, 2000 years from today someone finds a harry potter book, then it will be assumed that everyone from our time is a witch or wizard. Just nonsense written by medieval man to try to explain natural things happening around them that to them seemed other worldly. Religion and belief in god Woulnt be so prevalent if not for the forcing of beliefs onto others and the punishing of nonbelievers back in the day. If someone had not forced you into believing (parents, etc.) What would you worship? Or believe?

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

The point is Jesus and neither His apostles ever taught to use violence and instead the opposite.
The apostles gave their life up for the faith as well as countless other Christian's. Where Jesus said He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword and to turn the other cheek, Muhammad forced Islam on people and raised the blade.
People that kill in the name of God are not following God. Jesus speaking to His apostles said, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

Jesus & His apostles made thing's very clear and God does not change. Going by both the Old & New Testament books it's proven that Muhammad is a false prophet, and really prophesied nothing. He believed himself to be possessed and under the spell of a witch. One of his wives named Aisha was 6 and consummated it when she was 9. These are facts which cannot be denied.

You'll know a true follower of God by the fruit he or she bears. Jesus is the only way, all else are the broad path which Jesus warns us against. They are the path of thieves and robbers. The only way to life is the straight, narrow path. It's very evident that the Qu'ran is a mix of muddied truth and outright lie and is anti-Christ. Gabriel would not have had delivered supposed Qu'ran that existed always in heaven which contradict what Gabriel himself told Mary & Joseph and which the LORD had said. It is said that Allah is the best of deceivers. A deceiver is a liar and Jesus said the father of all lies is the devil.

I had to reply to you with these FACTS and have nothing else to say to you.

edit on 21-5-2011 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

On the assumption that you accept in my opinion an unproven disparate often historically inaccurate document drawn together from numerous sects by ancient man as a proven fact. I guess that's where faith begins?

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi


Being a Biblical scholar means nothing. There are so called Biblical scholars that twist scripture. So it's irrelevant. You don't love Jesus because you deny Him for who He is. So according to scripture, you are anti-Christ. I don't hate Muhammad. But Muhammad did lift himself up, where as Jesus did as the Father commanded Him. Jesus came in the name of the Father and the Father did the work's.

There are none righteous, all our righteousness is counted as filthy rags. It's by grace through faith that we're saved and not of ourselves for none can boast. We're washed and are born again. It's like being alive for the first time.

Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Nothing I said was out of ignorance because it's 100% truth and if it is not, prove me wrong. It is out of context that you quote what my Lord said. It is abundantly clear by everything Jesus said, how He lived while on earth and as His apostles lived that neither He nor His apostles believed in using violence. Luke 19:22-27 simply shows that if we do not use what the Lord gives us, it will be taken away. Many are called but few are chosen. Many who claim to have served the Lord will be told to depart from Him, that He never knew them. We are to die to self, surrendering all of ourself to the Lord.

My Lord could have called upon the angels to help him and killed all the soldier's that came for him but He didn't. He had Peter put away his sword and surrendered Himself unto the soldier's. He came to die for the sins of the elect & the whole world. Anyone that takes the time to read the gospel account's and the letter's will clearly see that what I point to is the truth and that you are either writing out of ignorance of scripture or you have an agenda.

Truth is truth, a lie is a lie. One lie is all it takes to make it crumble and that's what Islam is and that is a truth I hope you come to know. May the Holy Spirit come upon you as He did me in 2003.

reply to post by soaringhawk


Matthew: "And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son,whom I have loved; with him I am well pleased." There is but ONE God, and there is ONE mediator. There is not one scripture where Jesus states specifically that He was God. There are plenty of scriptures saying Jesus was the Son of God. Even God said that. Looking at the context of the entire gospel of John, Jesus consistently draws a separation between himself and God. The context of all four gospels shows Jesus consistently believing himself to not be God. Looking at the context of the New Testament, early Christians did not believe Jesus to be God. Paul consistently writes about Jesus as the Son of God. "I Am" is not a clear evidence. One also has to read Jesus words with in the content of the rest of scripture and his audience.

reply to post by aero56


Paul disagree's with you. In his letter to the Colossians, he says the following.

Colossians 2:8-10 KJV

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

What is the Godhead? The Father, Son & Holy Spirit and these three agree as one.

When Thomas asked Jesus where he was going, Jesus said the following in John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Compare to what I quote in Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

So we have Jesus equalling Himself to the Father. That would be blasphemy if it is not true. Jesus can't be a liar and be a good guy.

Also further in John 14:7-11

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

So Jesus spoke not on his own authority. The Father is the one that did the works and it's He that spoke through His Son. Jesus is the Word made flesh. The Son of God & God.

Isaiah 44:6

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Compared to what Jesus says to John on the island of Patmos. Revelation 22:12-16

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Finally I will tell you another verse where Jesus shows He is God.

John 8:56-59

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

I AM is what the LORD called Himself. The Jews would not have wanted to kill Him if they didn't think He was calling himself God. So there you have it. Jesus showing that in fact He is God. It doesn't matter that you don't like it. That's what the truth is.