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When Obama ignores the War Powers Resolution; Turning point in America?

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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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As the U.S. military campaign in Libya approaches the 60-day mark this Friday, six Republican senators wrote President Obama asking if he will comply with the War Powers Act, which says Congress must authorize action that lasts more than 60 days.

"Friday is the final day of the statutory sixty-day period for you to terminate the use of the United States Armed Forces in Libya under the War Powers Resolution. Last week some in your Administration indicated use of the United States Armed Forces will continue indefinitely, while others said you would act in a manner consistent with the War Powers Resolution. Therefore, we are writing to ask whether you intend to comply with the requirements of the War Powers Resolution. We await your response," wrote the GOP senators Wednesday.

The letter was signed by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, and Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah.

The GOP senators said they believe the president already violated part of the War Powers Act – which says the president's constitutional powers allow him to only deploy troops into "hostilities" with a declaration of war, specific authorization from Congress or a national emergency caused by an attack on the U.S.

But the president did follow the provision in the 1973 law requiring him to provide information to Congress about committing U.S. forces. Now the question is whether he will abide by the part of the War Powers Act which says he must get Congressional permission within 60 days.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

There have been many great threads touching this subject (mods, delete if necessary) but today is the day. Today we will see if Obama follows the rule of law or dsregards it. This, in my mind, is the turning point for the future of our country.
Where were you when JFK was killed?
Where were you when the towers fell?
Where were you when Obama decided to ignore congress (the peoples representatives) and fight his own wars?

In a speech delivered in 2007 by Senator Obama, he said this;

History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

www.outsidethebeltway.com...

Thank you for your time.
Regards,
Beezzer




posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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He will exercise the authority he thinks he has to continue our hostile occupation of Libya. Obama won't have Congress vote on it because that would mean admitting he was wrong to enter Libya without Congressional approval. Not to mention it would be asking the Republicans for permission. He doesn't ask, he dictates.

/TOA



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American
He will exercise the authority he thinks he has to continue our hostile occupation of Libya. Obama won't have Congress vote on it because that would mean admitting he was wrong to enter Libya without Congressional approval. Not to mention it would be asking the Republicans for permission. He doesn't ask, he dictates.

/TOA


Thanks for your reply.
And please excuse the simplistic response, but isn't that why we have the "separation of powers" in this country? To circumvent these actions that are occurring now? Is this the "fundamental change" Obama talked about in his campaign?



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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This will indeed prove interesting.

I've watched Obama do the total opposite of what his flowery campaign promises claimed he stood for so often I've lost count.

This would just add to that number. Sort of like the old joke:

Q: What's higher then infinity?

A: Infinity plus one!

Replied and subscribed to.

Keep us posted beezzer!



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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I do not quite understand why Obama would not go to the Congress to extend this conflict. The chances of them denying him this extension are second to none. When you have a sure thing why mess yourself up by ignoring the legitimate laws?

Well it does humble me to learn that this was sent in and signed all by Republicans. It rather shows the hypocrisy of the so-called “liberal-left” that the Republicans would be the ones to send a letter to President Obama asking him to make this war constitutional.

Let’s go with a hypothetical and say he does not go to the Congress on Friday, nothing will happen. No one will do anything about it, the news will give a 2 minute segment on it then move along, the people will be mum on it if they know at all, and the Congress will sit back and allow the executive to walk all over them.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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Thanks! Will follow up on this but so far just *cricket*cricket*cricket* on all the news programs. Guess this isn't as important as the loser on Idol.
But I'll be following this closely. Am home today enjoying pain-killers and some new dental work.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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Do Drone strikes in Pakistan violate the War Power Act?

Maybe I should ask these six Republicans.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Cui bono?
Who benefits?
Congress is not made up of innocent naive lambs getting suckered by some evil nefarious leader. I wonder what is in it for them? I'm not surprized to see Mike Lee sign the letter. I worked on his campaign in Utah and he's about as honest a Tea Party member as I could find.

Congress though, doen't do something for nothing. I just can't find the benefit for them in all of this.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
Do Drone strikes in Pakistan violate the War Power Act?

Maybe I should ask these six Republicans.


The drone attacks were voted and funds appropriated for, by congress. So it would not be in violation.
But you bring up an interesting point. Would votes for appropriation assume tacit approval for any act? If that is the case, then all Obama has to say is "You voted for defense spending" ergo "you voted for the attacks".



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Start the countdown...
Obama will most likely do nothing. As I understand it, the War Powers act allows for 60 days worth of money to fund the military operations the president is attempting to carry out. Now, what will happen when it comes time for congress to fund the aforementioned operations? The vast majority will most likely vote in approval; The representatives and senators will not "vote against the troops" if they wish to keep their seats after the next election.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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...all Obama has to say is "You voted for defense spending" ergo "you voted for the attacks".


Exactly, and if they vote against they are said to not be supportive of the American war effort.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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I don't know that Congress voting not to go to war with Libya would be considered a vote "against the troops". It seems that most people don't think we should be there to begin with, so a vote NOT to go to war could be seen as a vote FOR the troops. Specifically for bringing them home.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by FTD Brat
Start the countdown...
Obama will most likely do nothing. As I understand it, the War Powers act allows for 60 days worth of money to fund the military operations the president is attempting to carry out. Now, what will happen when it comes time for congress to fund the aforementioned operations? The vast majority will most likely vote in approval; The representatives and senators will not "vote against the troops" if they wish to keep their seats after the next election.


The only caviat I see is that there is a difference betwen funding an actively engaging in aggressive actions.

I see a dangerous compacency in the congress, though, to allow the president (ANY president) such untethered powers.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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Let me make it clear, I don't care for Obama or for any other lying politician for that matter. Obama sold this country a bag of goods and his foreign policy is just a continuation of the previous administration.

I'm just amazed how people like you can ignore Bush's 8 years of incompetency. Bush invaded a sovereign country under false pretenses. Bush used the tragedy of 9/11 as a way to whittle away at American's constitutional rights. He took part in causing the worst economic recession since the depression. He and his administration had questionable campaign contributions and connections with criminal corporations such as Enron and Haliburton. His family has been connected to corporate fraud in the S&L scandel. His administration ignored the Geneva Convention and authorized torture and illegal wire taps,

Any honest American can easily say the turning point started with the Bush Administration, and now it's just a continuation of our government over stepping it bounds for it own secret agenda.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by WeRpeons
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Let me make it clear, I don't care for Obama or for any other lying politician for that matter. Obama sold this country a bag of goods and his foreign policy is just a continuation of the previous administration.

I'm just amazed how people like you can ignore Bush's 8 years of incompetency. Bush invaded a sovereign country under false pretenses. Bush used the tragedy of 9/11 as a way to whittle away at American's constitutional rights. He took part in causing the worst economic recession since the depression. He and his administration had questionable campaign contributions and connections with criminal corporations such as Enron and Haliburton. His family has been connected to corporate fraud in the S&L scandel. His administration ignored the Geneva Convention and authorized torture and illegal wire taps,

Any honest American can easily say the turning point started with the Bush Administration, and now it's just a continuation of our government over stepping it bounds for it own secret agenda.


I'm not ignoring Bush, but he did get approval from congress (re; the War Powers Act). We can debate the legitimacy of the war another time. I'm looking at the rule of law, right here, right now.

Right now, we are in a war with Libya. After friday, it will be an illegal, unconstitutional war.

Last time I checked, congress voted for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Are they justified? Another thread, my friend, another time.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 07:05 AM
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Still no comment on any news stations or web sites.
There are times that I am sooooo disappointed in my country!



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Has the new resolution passed that was introduced with the defense spending bill? If that's the case, then Obama doesn't have to ask Congress for anything because it can fall under the umbrella of the "war on terror".

When dealing with anything remotely associated with terror, this president (and all future presidents) have been handed a blank check by Congress.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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But...But....Obama is the change we needed.....


Same old crap, only accelerated 10 fold with him in charge.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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The Libyan Rebel group contacted the US State Department directly and asked for assistance which nullifies the War Powers Act as this allows those in other nations an avenue to handle the item that they seek.

Congressional approval is only required in prolonged cases and not in cases where we are in and out in a couple of weeks for which the UN, NATO and The EU are now fully in charge of this campaign as it's been their show from the getgo.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Well if Republicans have any guts, if in 30 days no war resolution has passed, they would move to impeach Obama.

But no way the democrats in the Senate will vote to impeach their god nor the republicans will do it since they love war.

Republicans AND democrats didn't impeach Bush over his many war crimes, there's no way they will impeach Obama over this.

The impeachment procedure is BS really... since house and senate are in the whole scam and are profiteering from the wars.
edit on 20-5-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)




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