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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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israel

in 1967 israel knowingly and viciously attacked the uss liberty in open international waters

uss liberty attacked by israel

israel armed forces openly and blatantly killed us service members illegally



why not establish what really happened that day
by the hands of a supposed ally

raking in billions a year in tax payer money
edit on 19-5-2011 by Truther9111776 because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 19 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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1967? What about terrorist attacks by muslims in the last two decades?



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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reply to post by LoverBoy
 


Earlier this week a report says(see ATS thread) that Israeli ships and or forces blockaded a US ship. Seems like that is the OP's relevance to the thread?
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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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why would you like to forget history

is not denying ignorance

simply understanding history and not repeating it



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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Yep the USS liberty was a terrorist attack by Israel on the USA. The ship had flag, mast high, and bright white lettering designating the ship and it was still attacked. It was a false flag attempt by israel.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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Yep, israel attacked and killed several of our boys on the USS Liberty.
Not alot of folks know that, I wonder how that happens??
Good job reminding us to Deny Ignorance OP.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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it is good to see that some know about this

most my age do not have any idea about this

history is lost when we accept ignorance

i was born more than 2 decades after this event

and only know about it due to an addiction to books

some thing my generation seems to know nothing about



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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no debunkers or shills

i am surprised

i guess this one is hard to deny huh



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:35 AM
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There's no doubt about it. It was a blatant attack. They knew exactly what they were doing. The Liberty even flew the holiday ensign, which is quite larger than the usual US flag. They had been surveiled for days prior to the attack.

www.gtr5.com...

www.usslibertyveterans.org...

www.ussliberty.org...

"Assault on the Liberty" by James Ennes is a really good book. He was on watch on the bridge at the time of the attack. He was the Electronics Materiels Officer on the ship.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:47 AM
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Lol man care to name a few ? i havent seen any 'Muslim terrorist attacks' in my lifetime.

Only well orchestrated false flag attacks made to look like 'Muslim terrorist attacks' by secret organizations and governments.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:48 AM
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It look like that dispicable act does not matter a rats ar.s.....how much did the w/h give to israel to kill civilians last year....oohh it does not matter... who won the fattest losser on tv last night..



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:53 AM
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Respectfully,

I see the point you are making and I think anyone is hard-pressed to make a case against an Israeli-led attack on the U.S.S. Cole. I can tell you, however, that I have witnessed "terrorist" attacks (plural) carried out by Muslim Men and Women.

That being said, I have also witnessed senseless acts of violence carried out by Athiests, Chrisitans, Jews and only God knows who else in my relatively short lifetime.
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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I like the way you put Respectfully, but didnt really say anything to disrespect me, You sir are a good gentlemen & i appreciate the decorum, I can see what your saying indeed & if you were in the forces as your picture suggests, I can agree with what your saying about men and women and even children can commit acts of 'terrorism' but its not to do with the War on terror, its because we (the us, uk & other european countries) have invaded there country on the premise of a lie & we originally armed and trained these 'militants' they are now just using what they've been shown to do & are passing it onto there generations, because there children are growing up in a warzone, Created by Us. I dont agree with them killing us or us killing them, but if we step back, we are in there country, polluting them with outrageous amounts of radiation & killing there families, Its no surprise they see us as invaders, cause thats exactly what we are.

Again, no disrespect to the armed forces, all the boys and girls are brave & just doing their job, but what their job entitles at the moment, is following orders from liars and crooks. Its so criminal, it really gets to me.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 06:35 AM
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haha funny joke
whats killing Muslims?
america

whats killing americans?
AMERICA
( well among the rest of the traitors, 32 dual passport (Israeli American passports) government desision makers are)

Of the 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are now dead, he said. By the year 2000, there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. More than a decade later, more than half (56 percent) who served in Gulf War I have permanent medical problems. The disability rate for veterans of the world wars of the last century was 5 percent, rising to 10 percent in Vietnam.

�The VA secretary was aware of this fact as far back as 2000,� Bernklau said. �He and the Bush administration have been hiding these facts, but now, thanks to Moret�s report, it is far too big to hide or to cover up.�

Terry Johnson, public affairs specialist at the VA, recently reported that veterans of both Persian Gulf wars now on disability total 518,739, Bernklau said.

�The long-term effect of DU is a virtual death sentence,� Bernklau said. �Marion Fulk, a nuclear chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved in the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in the soldiers [from the second war] as �spectacular��and a matter of concern.

www.americanfreepress.net...

and it has gotten MUCH worse since 2000

actually go here and weep
www.naturalnews.com...





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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 06:43 AM
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Respect, simple concept of give first and receive. Such a beautiful thing when individuals are mature enough to utilize it.

You have made very valid points. This "war on terror" is as far from a black and white issue as anything could be. I would say it's two shakes of a scorpion's tail away from being a complete clusterfudge. Funny thing is, with all the talk of military zombies (not insinuating you in any way), from my experience the men and women serving with the "coalition forces" know just how much sh__ the media and politicians of the west are full off. Hell, I bet the boys in the PX could tell you the weight down to the last gram of peanut and corn.

There are indeed legitimate targets populating large swaths of the Middle-East and Asia, however, as this nice decade-long journey has taught all of us, this is not a force-on-force conflict. I called in enough ordinance to know that we are fighting a termite infestation with C4. There is going to be nothing left of the house by the time the termites are taken care of. There will inevitably be a few that survive and move to the neighbors house, where more C4 is applied until everyone is either dead or homeless. Believe me my friend, no one laughs harder about a "WAR" on "TERROR" than the men and women who have lived it. WAR is TERROR!



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 06:55 AM
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Indeed


Very interesting, may i ask you this question, if you are one of the members of the armed forces who knows, basically, that its all Bulls*it, Then why do you keep up the fight ? or why do others keep up the fight ?

Is it because thats there job & with the joke of a country the UK is right now, most, probably wouldnt be able to find anything else if they left the forces ?

I just know that if i didnt think like i did now, but i adopted this mindframe, After i had joined the forces and say, had done a tour of iraq or afghanistan, that i would not continue my military career. So i just wonder what makes others carry on if they know that its all for nothing.

Respectfully, Vanishr



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 07:14 AM
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It's complicated. I'm still trying to sort myself out as is. I am a U.S. American who joined not in response to 9/11, or some nationalistic sense of pride. I was originally attracted by the mission, the excitement, the purpose, the precision, the whole experience. I have always been a peaceful guy believe it or not. Killing is the last thing I wanted or want to do. I joined with incomplete, but still more naivety than I possess now. I was not old enough to be fully aware of how much can be sacrificed for such little gain (spiritually, physically and financially).

In our countries (the U.S. and the U.K.) men and women choose to serve their country. By that they choose to serve their brothers and sisters at home. Ideally, the masses of average men and women control who goes where to fight and why. Things are obviously not that black and white, but the concept is (somewhat) intact.

In the early days of our current laundry list of conflicts things were very militaristic. There were large groups of well-defined enemies dead-set on controlling the local population with an iron grip and killing any and all Western forces they could find. Those days in Afghanistan were some of the harrier of my life. If people think all our fighting is done at distance with remote-controls, well, that's certainly not the case. I have quite a bit less (as do most servicemen) regrets about the fighting we did over there because witnessing the brutal, savage (coming from a warrior) and borderline-retarded behavior of those trying to kill me, well, let's just say the news spends more time talking about celebrities than they do showing the thousands of hours of video footage submitted to the DoD from the frontlines that illustrates perfectly how little regard for human life the true "Taliban, Al Qaeda _insert_extremist_group_here_" has. I don't even like talking about some of the things I witnessed, not yet at least. Just be aware that there are large groups of uneducated men who do unspeakable things to women and children without a shred of remorse. They can not be reasoned with. They do not understand basic concepts of human dignity. They will stab, shoot and hack anything and anyone they deem worthy of their despicable rage. This is not a jab at Muslims, as these guys represent Islam about as well as the jerk-off burning Bibles represents Christianity.

I've deviated quite a bit, but always remember it is a double-edges sword. Men and women MUST join and surrender control of their situation to the military. It IS THE ONLY method that allows for military machines as large and complex as those of our respective nations to operate. It is the only way they can ever truly uphold their end of the bargain with the people. The basic root of the problem lies with the general public; not to say the problem is anywhere near basic or simple to fix.

Don't watch these videos or read these reports of abuses or childish behavior and get the idea that coalition forces are acting irresponsibly as a whole (not to accuse you of doing such). I had the pleasure of meeting and serving with members of many nations in my deployments, especially FAC's from the RAF and the Royal Navy. We share many things in common, the first of which is a top-notch military with men and women who for the most part want good for ALL people of Earth. Most of these men and women would be the first to take a bullet for you should the opportunity present itself. Without the military, our nations would not exist as they do now for very long at all. With the military, men and women are subject to clusterfudges like the current situations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I'm sorry if this answer is incomplete, as I would need a few years and many, many pages worth of text to truly lay it out for you. I'll do my best if you have any more questions amigo.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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Thank you for taking such time to write such a well constructed response, although i do not think you answered my question directly, you have answered other questions and provided relevant information & i appreciate the effort you put in to typing your response also.

As for your comments on the Media, i know buddy, its criminal how they spew out useless bulls*it day after day, when we've got things happening all over the world, day by day, that people who arent there too see it for themselves, need to witness and find out whats happening, But people are far more worried about missing the latest episode of 'dancing with the stars' or some other S*it, Its ignorance and lazyness on the part of the population, they are tricked into thinking these wars are for a purpose even greater than what they originally say they are for, I just dont understand it, people dont bother and quite frankly i think they just dont care, its disgusting, unless they personally know someone or have a family member out there. (in one of the various warzones we've created) 'The basic root of the problem lies with the general public' have to agree with you there mate.

To respond to your comments about the sub-humans who commit these atrocities, murdering woman/children etc.. I believe them to be just as bad as the Global elite and politicians who have instigated these wars, without regard for human life or humanity at all, to be honest, its all FUBAR. I personally believe all these problems we are discussing in regards to whats going on at home & in the media, I believe its all cleverly instigated by the biggest crooks of our time & i would like to see them brought to justice, but at the moment, it seems the only way this could happen would be for someone to make the ultimate sacrifice & go against the system to do it, I also believe this is instigated, We cannot get out of this rut without breaking the *rules* of our society, or, the rules that have been forced upon us since birth.

Its like were trapped, forced into a life of slavery, just to get by, serving immoral purposes & doing little for the greater good. People are too caught up in there own *pointless* lives, worrying about things that dont really matter, because they've been conditioned to think these things are important, its like people feel they have to worry about something, so they subconciousely, just get really involved with something, that has no effect on their day to day life, or the outcome of anything important or meaningful.

Hope most of this makes sense as its quite hard to put it all into words.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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ummmm

have you ever read or seen any videos

about the uss liberty

the uss liberty

not the uss cole

there is a major difference

there is no case to make here

israel attacked a us naval ship in international waters

in 1967 during the 6 day war

care to refute



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Hey truther you might be interested in my thread related to the 1967 middle east skirmish:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As a side note did you know that under israeli pressure the US Secretary of defense was urged not to airdrop water supplies to the dehydrated egyptian soldiers in the desert!!

If that does not make you sick I do not know what will.



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