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Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders

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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Surfrat


Is Obama going to plea for return of North America to the Indians?
Or return of the South to the South?
California, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas to Mexico?
And why not also give back the original 13 colonies to Britain?
The 1967 borders are militarily indefensible. It would be suicidal for Israel to accept this proposal, as it's enemies would (and have) used these areas as springboards to attack Israel. The country is tiny as it is, why are we asking it to give up even more land?



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because it wasn't their land in the first place. oh yeah god told them




posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Yep, thats good enough reason in my book!



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Good on Obama.... Shame that Israel aren't gonna play ball..... Stalemate.....

Tick....Tock....


I wonder where all this will lead.




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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Obama knows, israel does not want peace. Israel wants LAND and the palestinians of planet earth or somewhere into the desert. As soon as peace gets a hold onto the region, its over with israels land grab. So they fear nothing more then peace!



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by daggyz
 



Didn't Israel take the land after winning it from a war they didn't start?


You need a history lesson....

Israel attacked first in 1967....
They DID start it.....


the original pre emptive strike.


so were the Egyptians just joking around? jordan? other dirtbags?

"hey guys, let's mass 100k troops and heavy weapons around israel for grins!"

"and if they kick our ass, we can say they started it!"


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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Surfrat


Is Obama going to plea for return of North America to the Indians?


We'd be happy with a few of those legally-binding treaties to be honored, actually. Nothing hard to grasp, there. I mean by the constitution, every treaty signed with us is the "law of the land" after all.


Or return of the South to the South?


The south already has the south. Though, diverting all the federal money the southern states rake in year after year towards a slavery reparations fund would do some good, I guess.


California, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas to Mexico?


I've been to Texas; I don't think Mexico would want it back, since it's full of Texans. Nio matter how hard we try to get rid of that place, I doubt the Mexicans will fall for it.


And why not also give back the original 13 colonies to Britain?


It would have actually saved a LOT of people a hell of a lot of grief in the first place. Canada and Australia turned out alright, after all.


The 1967 borders are militarily indefensible.


All borders are militarily indefensible, when you have enemies. The trick is to work towards not having enemies. If your enemy's main grievance is that you keep stealing land from them, well, that seems like an easy thing ot solve; stop stealing land and return what was stolen.


It would be suicidal for Israel to accept this proposal,


I know that Zionists love to fantasize about heaps and heaps of dead Jews - in fact, to people like them, the only good Jew is a dead one. But the fact is, Israel's existence is not in any danger from anyone. its nature as an apartheid racist enclave ruled by European orthodox warmongers might be in jeopardy with demographic and political changes, but Israel itself is facing no "suicide".


as it's enemies would (and have) used these areas as springboards to attack Israel.


if you have an enemy at your border, they're going to find a way to attack. it doesn't really matter where your border is. Again, the key is to get your enemy to stop being your enemy. What Israel has been doing for the last sixty years is not working, maybe - just maybe - a new approach is in order.


The country is tiny as it is, why are we asking it to give up even more land?


Same reason we demand that thieves return their stolen goods, even if they didn't have much to begin with. Really, this is a stupid question.
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by fooks
the original pre emptive strike.


so were the Egyptians just joking around? jordan? other dirtbags?

"hey guys, let's mass 100k troops and heavy weapons around israel for grins!"

"and if they kick our ass, we can say they started it!"


edit on 20-5-2011 by fooks because: (no reason given)


Israel had previously conducted an armed and unprovoked invasion of Egypt in 1956, at the behest of French and British interests. They only withdrew when essentially forced to do so by the United States and the Soviet Union; in fact the Suez crisis was really hwen it became chiseled in stone that the US and the USSR were superpowers and that Britain and France were second-rates.

So in that perspective, Egypt placed its military near the border of a nation that had proven its hostility and willingness to launch an invasion, and was, at that time, threatening to do so again. What, do you think Egypt should have just sat around with an undefended border?

If Egypt had been planning an attack in 1967, they would have attacked. Not parked near the border.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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Obama has just proven ignorance of international politics and history and has put one more brick in the wall between him and a possible 2nd term.

Does he even OWN an Atlas??

When Presidents fail at home they hope for success abroad - or vice versa.

His latest foray into international diplomacy is once again proving he is qualified to be Governor of Illinois.
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Leonidas
Obama has just proven ignorance of international politics and history and has put one more brick in the wall between him and a possible 2nd term.
Does he even OWN an Atlas??
When Presidents fail at home they hope for success abroad - or vice versa.
His latest foray into international diplomacy is once again proving he is qualified to be Governor of Illinois.
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Why does he need an atlas?
He just needs to see the land Israel continues to steal and the illegal blockade they continue to enforce..



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Leonidas
Obama shows ignorance of international politics and history and one more brick in the wall between him and a 2nd term.


I struggle to figure where you're seeing ignorance of politics, much less history. International politics are very much with Obama on this, with the exception of the extremists who are currently running Israel (and running it into the ground, to be truthful). Israel certainly does not have history in its corner. The sole thing that has kept this conflict running has been sixty years of United States acquiescence to the ambitions of Israel's hard-right, even at the expense of Israeli lives.

Remove that US acquiescence, and this conflict rolls up in four months. Israel will fold if the US applies pressure. Everyone in Israel's current government - even crazy Lieberman - understands that the US is not asking Israel to do anything that would actually hurt Israel. This is not an existential proposition, and so, if Obama keeps leaning on them, they'll give in. They're simply holding out in the hopes that Obama will be the one to fold, much as his predecessors have.

Israel folds, the conflict draws to a useful, if slightly tense close, and the dude will have finally earned that silly Nobel Peace Prize.


Does he even OWN an Atlas??


Very probably. Why?


When Presidents fail at home they hope for success abroad - or vice versa.


Well, considering that even the die-hard opposition against him here in the US can't find a single thing to oppose him on except trying to claim he's not a citizen, signs are he's doing pretty good at home. And abroad, this is one of his smarter moves.


His latest foray into international diplomacy is once again proving he qualified to be Governor of Illinois.


Which makes him still vastly more qualified for the presidency than you, wouldn't you agree, random guy n the internet?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by fooks
the original pre emptive strike.


so were the Egyptians just joking around? jordan? other dirtbags?

"hey guys, let's mass 100k troops and heavy weapons around israel for grins!"

"and if they kick our ass, we can say they started it!"


edit on 20-5-2011 by fooks because: (no reason given)


Israel had previously conducted an armed and unprovoked invasion of Egypt in 1956, at the behest of French and British interests. They only withdrew when essentially forced to do so by the United States and the Soviet Union; in fact the Suez crisis was really hwen it became chiseled in stone that the US and the USSR were superpowers and that Britain and France were second-rates.

So in that perspective, Egypt placed its military near the border of a nation that had proven its hostility and willingness to launch an invasion, and was, at that time, threatening to do so again. What, do you think Egypt should have just sat around with an undefended border?

If Egypt had been planning an attack in 1967, they would have attacked. Not parked near the border.


they wanted to nationalize the canal. lol, nassar, what a guy!

besides, that has nothing to do with the 67' war.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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besides, that has nothing to do with the 67' war.


Why not?
Israel seems to bring up WWII every other day..



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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no they don't. they are not like the arabs/palistinians that cry all the time about how bad they have it.

really, millions of palistinians need to come back? when there were about 30k in the beginning?

lol, where are their arab brothers? ya, they don't want them at all.

seems to me that it don't pay to make peace with israel. 500mil a year in donations to a non-exsistant peoples.

wow, where is it all going? arafat's widow in france? 20mil a year? didn't he have about 9bil in swiss banks?

wake up, people. at least israel buys weapons, how much does a rock cost?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by fooks
they wanted to nationalize the canal. lol, nassar, what a guy!


Yup. Of course, hiring a mercenary nation to massacre over three thousand people and injure nearly five thousand more, just so you can keep a chunky profit margin from exploiting a former colony... seems a bit of an overreaction.


besides, that has nothing to do with the 67' war.


Bull. Israel's invasion in 1956 set the stage for everything in 1967; The Egypt-Syrian defense pact, UNEF, Egyptian paranoia of Israel reinvading, etc. Put bluntly, Egypt had every reason to have men on the border, and had every reason to believe both Israel's overt threats, and the covert threats that the USSR was claiming Israel was making.

Granted, if it weren't for the Soviets' bungling of information, the whole thing probably could have been avoided; but one can hardly blame Egypt for doing everything it could to prevent a repeat of 1956.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:27 AM
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I wonder where all this will lead.


Im guessing the unilateral declaration of a Palestinian State by Abbas come September.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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Good. That has been American policy for several decades. Israel is as much a terrorist entity as any terrorist entity. We do not need or want them as an ally.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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How many innocent Iraqi and Afghanis did you rape, murder, kill and mame?????



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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check out the french involvement with britain.

the US didn't have a lot to do wit dat.

as to a relationship to 67', stupid egyptians didn't learn anything, did they?

whatever, this is today, not yesterday.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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Can someone please suggest a reporter ask Obama when they are giving the Indians all there land back that was lost in the Indian wars?

Lets see his face then!

What country that has been attacked then won the war and gained land and is forced to give it back. Remember that Israel were attacked by three countries whcih had their butts whipped good.

So in fairness when do the American Indians all get their land back?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by verotik

Originally posted by Surfrat


Is Obama going to plea for return of North America to the Indians?
Or return of the South to the South?
California, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas to Mexico?
And why not also give back the original 13 colonies to Britain?
The 1967 borders are militarily indefensible. It would be suicidal for Israel to accept this proposal, as it's enemies would (and have) used these areas as springboards to attack Israel. The country is tiny as it is, why are we asking it to give up even more land?



news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


because it wasn't their land in the first place. oh yeah god told them



And I bet you live in the USA and would not want your home and land given to the Indians who first had ownership?

Tell us where you live and we'll see if your comments are based on truth or ignorance.




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