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Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders

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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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Reply to post by tribaltrip
 


The holy books of both groups disagree with you.

If both sides would stick to the books, there would be peace. The strife comes from misinterpretation and lack of belief.


 
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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reply to post by XRaDiiX
 


Obama NEVER ordered Israel to revert back to the 1967 borders......I don't know what you're reading but it must be a comic book!

Finally; Obama will do exactly as he's told, when he's told....and his wife will do likewise if they both want to continue living in the White House and have status we all know they have no entitlement to. They will tow the line just like the last President.

Obama is too afraid of Israel and the Jewish lobby to do anything against Israel and he certainly has no power to tell Israel what they can and can't do.

Obama is a lacky dog, nothing more, nothing less.
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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Reply to post by stumason
 


You posted it twice because your red Herring is being ignored.

Israel has never annexed the West Bank or Gaza.

Resolution 242 should be read by the likes of you.


 
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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reply to post by TheUniverse
 


Alan Greenspan is an atheist and an Objectivist.

And as for the Jews in government, not all Jews are pro-Israel. Some are far from it. There are quite a few anti-Israel Jews in the US. Many others raised as Jews don't practice Judaism.

To catgorically target and accuse Jews, based on soley them being Jews, is ignorant and prejudiced.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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reply to post by bluemirage5
 


Lol its funny you sound like you must be the Leader of the Zionist Agenda the way you speak!

You say Obama telling Israel to revert back to its pre 1967 borders has no merit!
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


What about the 5 Dancing Israelis on 911

Google Video Link


and the various Jewish companies that vacated the twin towers days before the attacks.

Many other videos i can post for you if you wish to, Take the red pill(truth), or take the blue pill(ignorance)

I can post more if you like. They are truly interesting...

Lets go down the deeper into the rabbit hole to see where the truth lies...
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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reply to post by TheUniverse
 


It doesn't matter if there were 100 dancing Israelis.

To target Jews based simply on them being Jews is ignorant and prejudiced.

There were thousands of Palestinian Arabs dancing in the streets after 9-11, but to say all Muslims or Arabs or Palestinians supported 9-11 is ignorant and prejudiced.

We have to be informed and objective about these matters, otherwise instead of going down the rabbit hole we end up in a rat hole.
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by Truther9111776
good

this is where he makes some sense

but he will never do anything to fix the theft of these lands

israel should banish them selves for genocide and oppression

sad how they forget the not so distant past


Genocide? where?

Palestinians are nothing more than Jordanian refugee's, What you and those like you spew forth about Palestine is exactly what The rest of the middle east wants you to. The Palestinians are nothing more than scapegoats for Assad, Seyed Ali Hoseyni Khāmene’i and the rest.

You demand peace in the middle east, yet with Israel gone you will have your peace. But not the peace your looking for. yes the middle east will finally unite, under extreme Islam.


Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. Surah 9:5

The punishment of those who oppose Allah and his messenger...is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter. Surah 5:33

The Jews call Uziar a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ, the son of Allah...Allah's curse be on them. How they are deluded away from the truth. Surah 9:30



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


With Dis-information its impossible to be objective on such matters. From the best of my knowledge the Arab celebrations of 911 were staged and fraudulent at best.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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reply to post by TheUniverse
 


Well if disinformation is so rampant, then that requires even greater caution in labeling and targeting others, since none of us really have any idea what in the world is really going on.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Dude I wouldnt bother trying to argue with dontreally, he is obviously a brainwashed IDF member or the child of a "jewish settler". As a foreigner who has spent a lot of time in Israel, I can say that no matter what you tell them they won't change their minds. I got strip searched and detained for speaking my mind at Ben Gurion airport. They were nice enough to escort me to the plane afterwards though... I guess if you call that nice. I really wanted a pretzel thats all. Anyway I apologize if you've already reached this conclusion, I only made it through like the first 4 pages of the thread so far. Dontreally I apologize if you are not a crazy settler or an IDF member, but in such a case I guess I should applaud you for being such a good troll.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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reply to post by Drakmarine
 


You did not spend alot of time in Israel......whats the bet you were there only once.....yep, I know I can take that all the way to bank!

You hold a grudge against Israel because you were stripped searched by no other than Israel's airport security and customs officers?

hahahahahahaha



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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No , you are the one who needs a history lesson. Israel did not attack first. Infact before she was ressurrected she was attacked.

The british , unable to find an acceptable solution by both the jews and arabs in terms of borders ,wanted to withdraw from the mandate of palestine(JUDEAH). So the United Nations Intervened and approved the partition plan for palestine.It divided the country into two states , one jewish , one arab.

The jews accepted the plan;the arabs and muslims did not. On December 1, 1947 the AHC or Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three day strike and Arab-muslim bands began attacking jews. Innitially on the defence the jews gradually pushed back the attackers and went on the offensive. This Civil war led to the colapse of the Muslim economy(Rothschild reprisal) and around 300,000 palestinian muslims fled or were expelled (from the jewish mandate).

May 14 , 1948 one day before the end of the british mandate in palestine(JUDEAH) , the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence , Israel and Judeah was reborn. Not one day after , the armies of four major arab countries;Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq—attacked Israel.Countries hundreds of times larger than the spit of land that Israel was and still today is , the 1948 Arab–Israeli War or Israeli war of Independence was on. All for declaring independence with what Britain left them. Reminds me of Haiti and how the Europeans treated it after their declaration of independence. Oh , if Haiti had had a navy back then , but that is for another discussion. Israel feared a Middle Eastern reenactment of the Holocaust.This was total war. After a year of fierce fighting a ceasefire was declared but not before the illegal annexation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem by Jordan , which was veiwed as null and void by many nations even the Arab League as these were still part of the Palestinian Mandate, jews had'nt even occupied it. Jordan just wanted to expand and the war was a good excuse to do so. Egypt took the gaza strip , which was all that was left of the palestinian" partition by the time jordan , gypt , israel and sundry had declared ceasefire.

The Egyptian government restricted movement to and from the Gaza Strip, most Gazans could not look elsewhere for employment. In 1955, an uknown member of the United Nations Secretariat noted that "For all practical purposes it would be true to say that for the last six years in Gaza over 300,000 poverty stricken people have been physically confined to an area the size of a large city park." This was all under the administration of egypt when they had controll over the strip. Israel was accepted as a member of the United Nations by majority vote on May 11, 1949. Now to make this clear to you , during the civil war of 1947-1948 the jews did not annex any of the palestinian mandate. They merely held onto thier mandate and drove out hostiles. Doubt me , look at any map with the original mandates and you'll see 70% of Israel today is the original mandates , but in ensueing uprovoked attacks and beligerencies , land has been occupied and annexed in the name of survival and strategic defence.

Notice how they gave back the Sinai(Sin eye or seein eye) it's totally a nightmare to defend and mostly arid while they kept the Golan hieghts with it's high ground and mountainous terrain and is also fertile soil and provides israel with water.

To address the war of 1967 , Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran and cut off Israeli shipping and had massive troop build ups in the sinai with veteran troops of riflemen and tanks from the yemeni civil war and were buying the latest in fighter-jet and bombers from russia .Gamal Abdel Nasser was spewing hitlerian rhetoric akin to the Haulocost with speeches of "Driving the state of Israel into the sea and wiping them off the map". Syria and Jordan were doing likewise only thier borders were closer to Israel and they were visually amassing huge military camps around them. Mossad intelligence confirmed what was blatently obvious it was not if they were going to attack but when. And as usual whenever Israel is attacked all muslims wherever they are come near come far , join in that most repugnant of all human endeavours "holy war" , the filthy "Jihad". So tell me if you were in Israels position at that point in history would you have waited and be torn apart , overrun from all fronts. Or would you have attacked first giving you the element of surprise and the momentum , after all the arabs were itching for a war , Israel just gave it to them before they had finished up their battle formations. 1967 could have been the year of the second Haulocost if they had waited and I know in my heart of hearts many of you would'nt have batted an eye or shed a tear. Even up to today some of you would even say they got what they deserved "dirty jew", you see that's why I believe Israel does what it does;it's damned if it does and damned if it don't. When you put someone in that position the simple solution is to do as they please and be damned , at least they are happy.

To be honest though if I were leader of Israel today I would have no qualms with going back to the 1967 borders , after the six day war. But they already gave back the sinai which was a smart move , it's mostly arid and in 2005 pulled out of Gaza. What , still no peace? Silly me , Allah=Muhamud=Jihad=Endless war and suffering for all.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Surfrat


Is Obama going to plea for return of North America to the Indians?
Or return of the South to the South?
California, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas to Mexico?
And why not also give back the original 13 colonies to Britain?
The 1967 borders are militarily indefensible. It would be suicidal for Israel to accept this proposal, as it's enemies would (and have) used these areas as springboards to attack Israel. The country is tiny as it is, why are we asking it to give up even more land?



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give up or give back that which was taken...???



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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I hope in the next confrontation with the Arab sand dwellers, Israel manages to capture ALL it's lands and returns back to it's original biblical borders!!!



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:10 PM
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lol take it to the bank?? Jeez why are people on this site so skeptical? Oh wait, yeah conspiracy site... Well in that case I'm not offended. Anyway for your information, I've been there three times. Once for a couple of days when I was very young, once for two weeks on vacation with my jewish friend and her family, and once for a semester abroad there during college (admittedly during this 6 month stay I also spent two weeks in Jordan and 1 in syria). Just because you have never been anywhere doesnt mean other people are as culturally ignorant as you and yes I do have a minor grudge against the IDF for training their soldiers to be so ignorant and hateful. Anyway enjoy your life of judging others from the safety of your computer screen.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Netanyahu says return to 1967 borders not an option

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(CBS/AP) WASHINGTON - Showing no concrete progress, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sat alongside President Barack Obama on Friday and declared that Israel would not withdraw to the 1967 borders to help make way for an adjacent Palestinian state. Obama had called on Israel to be willing to do just that in a speech the day earlier.

The Israeli leader said he would make some concessions but Israel will not go back to the lines from decades earlier because they are "indefensible."



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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and you deem that a long time? I don't think so !!!

Come on, tell us all what you said that prompted Israel's airport security to strip search you........I'm still laughing over that one!



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Obama is wayyyyyyyyyyy out of his league when up against Netanyahu !!!!

Perhaps Netanyahu should had taken afew Kenyan and Ethiopian born Israel Jews to the White House to have a say in the matter......and believe you me Obama will NEVER dare speak of those 1967 borders ever again!



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Obama is wayyyyyyyyyyy out of his league when up against Netanyahu !!!!

Perhaps Netanyahu should had taken afew Kenyan and Ethiopian born Israel Jews to the White House to have a say in the matter......and believe you me Obama will NEVER dare speak of those 1967 borders ever again!


Rush Limbaugh said 'Obama got his lunch handed to him'.
can't believe Obama makes such a statement without checking wi Israel first.



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