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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by XRaDiiX
Age DOES merit knowledge, many years of knowledge.....
Now where's all that proof AND evidence of Israel's involved in 9/11 that could hold up in the British High Court you promised us ???
Perhaps a trip to Disneyworld would give you enough time to think about it?
Originally posted by ElliotNoir
There is a difference between Jews and Zionist
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No wonder we don't see many Israeli speeches in America. They are openly racist against the Arab world-Calling them 2 legged animals. They are dehumanizing them- like Hitler. How can a group who just came out of the horrors of WW2 act like this?
Now Obama is calling for an Israeli State and a Palestinian State?
Does America follow the Zionist agenda?
I read the protocols of the Elders of Zion- tried to post it and got attacked and my thread closed bc im an 'Anti-semite" and it was proven to be a hoax. Maybe (although i have not seen evidence that it is), but Zionism is not a hoax. My best friend is a Jew. My father converted to Judaism. I take no religious affiliation for obvious reasons.
but I will say ...
Namasteedit on May 19th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by earthdude
Jew is NOT a race.........jewish is a religious following.........just like muslim isnt a race.....
Sooo ya, just thought id throw that out there to yaedit on 19-5-2011 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms
What utter rubbish.....
the Jewish people are NOT an ethnic race at all, they never were.
The Jewish people are unified by Judiasm and they happen to be decendants of Jacob (Israel).
You are deemed Jewish if your mother is Jewish or if you are converted by the Beth Din.
The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-3 Yhudim Israeli pronunciation [jehu'dim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia
Genetic studies on Jews show that most Jews worldwide do indeed bear a common genetic heritage which originates in the Middle East, and that they bear their strongest resemblance to the peoples of the Fertile Crescent, with only minor contribution from their host populations
Originally posted by donotinducevomiting
BELOW IS A LETTER SIGNED BY ALBERT EINSTEIN and other citizens of conscience BACK IN 1948.
i believe its relevancy is even stronger today over 60 years later .... the ideological decendants of these murderers,menacham begen and his followers have, since that time, been emboldened by the possession of 100 to 200 nuclear weapons[ illegal] and other weapons of mass and conventional destruction, and also by the infiltration of the united states essentially using americas proxy army to attack and murder arabs in many countries that surround it, the world has a type of cancer.... america as imagined by the zionist controlled project for a new american century , and other right wing and christian radicals groups , is a type of cancer. The fascism that exits in varying measure in the uk and australia etc is also very much a cancer too.
The fascist and zionist terrorists in israel albert einstein warned of in 1948 continue their reign of terror today, and most people with a modicum of intellectual courage will understand that the american cia and the israeli intelligence committed the most horrific and deadly terrorist mass murder in history showing that zionist, and american, fascist terror is still a very dreadful issue in the world today.. these criminal acts and .the ongoing crime against humanity that is the besieged bantu palistianian enclaves demonstrate that israel remains one of the most active and deadly rogue terror states in the world today .
published in 1948 in new york city ..................
Letters to the New York Times
December 4, 1948
New Palestine Party
Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a “Leader State” is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
Isidore Abramowitz, Hannah Arendt, Abraham Brick, Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo, Albert Einstein, Herman Eisen, M.D., Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D., H.H. Harris, Zelig S. Harris, Sidney Hook, Fred Karush, Bruria Kaufman, Irma L. Lindheim, Nachman Maisel, Symour Melman, Myer D. Mendelson, M.D., Harry M. Orlinsky, Samuel Pitlick, Fritz Rohrlich, Louis P. Rocker, Ruth Sager, Itzhak Sankowsky, I.J. Schoenberg, Samuel Shuman, M. Znger, Irma Wolpe, Stefan Wolpe
New York, Dec. 2, 1948
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Originally posted by fnord
I'm Authentic Jewish (my mother was jewish, her mother before her was jewish and so on as a matter of fact I can trace my ancestry back to the early 1400s. I recognize isreal as a authentic jewish state.
Originally posted by arriana
Originally posted by ElliotNoir
I love ATS deeply but some ppl here are the most ignorant ppl in the world. They are more concerned with bashing you and turning readers away rather then presenting an intelligent argument. If it makes you feel better about yourself- carry on.
I will join in on an intelligent argument when I see one
By the way - Zionism a religion? Are you serious?
Well, i think that figures ARE lacking then. How many Jews were forcefully migrated ,according to you? Bore me.
And if you think that 1700 years old claim to land is irrelevant, then why you think 63 years old one is more valid?