While Obama Promises Billions To Egypt, Ron Paul Outlines His Plan For Sanity In The Oval Office

Originally posted by gorgi
Its reduce overall federal spending. That would be a major cut to the GDP and to peoples jobs, and there wont be a place to transfer those jobs over either.

Reducing wasteful spending will help lower inflation and people will buy more
people will buy more will mean more jobs
more jobs will mean more GDP

If jobs are essential then he'll keep them, if they are not then he will give the money back to the people by not taking it from them in the first place.

If people cannot afford to buy things people will lose their jobs
That's why both Cisco and HP just recently laid off alot of people, because people are buying less.

You don't bite the hand that feeds you and win the presidency.

How could we insure that this man gets a fair shake at the whitehouse?

Originally posted by gorgi
Apparently Dr.Paul does not realize that slashing pending during a hard economic time the economy will get far worse. There is a reason that no sane person takes him seriously.

Dr. Paul's understanding of economics comes from his study of Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, and Milton Friedman, all clearly insane . I'm pretty sure Dr. Paul has at least an order of magnitude better understanding of economic principles than you, as observed by your comment.

/TOA

I think Ron Paul's foreign policy alone would save this country billions and possibly trillions of dollars.

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by gorgi
Apparently Dr.Paul does not realize that slashing pending during a hard economic time the economy will get far worse. There is a reason that no sane person takes him seriously.

Dr. Paul's understanding of economics comes from his study of Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, and Milton Friedman, all clearly insane

. I'm pretty sure Dr. Paul has at least an order of magnitude better understanding of economic principles than you, as observed by your comment.

/TOA

Those guys are crazy. Austrian school of thought is a joke and thats why no one takes them seriously. He doesnt. I try to show people economics by they prefer magic economics.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by gorgi
Its reduce overall federal spending. That would be a major cut to the GDP and to peoples jobs, and there wont be a place to transfer those jobs over either.

Reducing wasteful spending will help lower inflation and people will buy more
people will buy more will mean more jobs
more jobs will mean more GDP

If jobs are essential then he'll keep them, if they are not then he will give the money back to the people by not taking it from them in the first place.

If people cannot afford to buy things people will lose their jobs
That's why both Cisco and HP just recently laid off alot of people, because people are buying less.

Dr. Paul doesnt consider any job important. thats the problem. He wants to get rid of everything. We have a low inflation rate. It is not high at all. Stop making stuff up. He wants to cut jobs and that will lower GDP, you can t seem to make up your mind, He wants to slash the Federal govt and make jobs how ?

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

Originally posted by gorgi
Apparently Dr.Paul does not realize that slashing pending during a hard economic time the economy will get far worse. There is a reason that no sane person takes him seriously.

You're funny.

So we should just keep spending money that we don't have?

How much do they pay you for this?

Raise taxes. We have one of the lowest rates in the industrialized world. If we raise it we will have more money. Less deficit This is not voodoo or anything..

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That was the way that middle class florished in America before the "outsourcing" now most of the money that people spend on purchases ends in some other country pockets.

US has lost the productivity that used to be the bread and butter of the middle class and supported the economy.

i am a big Ron Paul fan. Can't say that he is going to solve all America's problems, but he sure as hell is our best shot.

all supporters should do whatever they can to help this man get elected. simply talking to people does more than any flyering, or neighborhood canvassing.

speech passionately and people will listen

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by gorgi

 

That would be a major cut to the GDP and to peoples jobs, and there wont be a place to transfer those jobs over either.

My friend, while government jobs do "contribute" to GDP. The taxes taken to pay for those government jobs are a net loss to the economy. That tax money could be used for much more productive purposes. Productivity generally declines as the tax rate increases, as people choose to work less. The higher the tax rate, the more time people spend evading taxes and the less time they spend on more productive activity. So the lower the tax rate, the higher the value of all the goods and services produced. Government tax revenue does not necessarily increase as the tax rate increases. The government will earn more tax income at 1% rate than at 0%, but they will not earn more at 100% than they will at 10%, due to the disincentives high tax rates cause. Thus there is a peak tax rate where government revenue is highest. Point being, that cutting government jobs and reducing taxes will eventually lead to more private sector jobs which are more of an overall help to the economy. Well, this should "normally" be the case. However thanks to globalization and various free trade agreements, those jobs will be created just not here in the US. We have our wonderful politicians(of both parties) to thank for that.

Thats not true. if taxes are raised. People will still work. Every economist will agree to that. The money is not lost either. The government spends all of it and creates jobs in the process.Even when the highest tax rate was near 90% or so , people did not work less at all. There is no credible evidence to support that.

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He's talking about government spending, not consumer spending.Government spending does nothing to help the economy as it requires more borrowing and debt ceiling adjustment, deepening the mess.

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He's talking about government spending, not consumer spending.Government spending does nothing to help the economy as it requires more borrowing and debt ceiling adjustment, deepening the mess.

Obama has kept his promise of change you can believe in. Without his lack of leadership and a run amok congress, Ron Paul wouldn't be electable. For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering voting for a Libertarian. Hope the PTB don't turn him into another Ross Perot or Ralph Nader.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

Originally posted by gorgi
Apparently Dr.Paul does not realize that slashing pending during a hard economic time the economy will get far worse. There is a reason that no sane person takes him seriously.

You're funny.

So we should just keep spending money that we don't have?

How much do they pay you for this?

Exactly, like borrowing from China to give to Egypt. Hmmm sounds like robbing Peter to pay Paul, but then, that is the socialist model

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by gorgi
Apparently Dr.Paul does not realize that slashing pending during a hard economic time the economy will get far worse. There is a reason that no sane person takes him seriously.

Dr. Paul's understanding of economics comes from his study of Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, and Milton Friedman, all clearly insane

. I'm pretty sure Dr. Paul has at least an order of magnitude better understanding of economic principles than you, as observed by your comment.

/TOA

Those guys are crazy. Austrian school of thought is a joke and thats why no one takes them seriously. He doesnt. I try to show people economics by they prefer magic economics.

I, and anyone with even half a clue of economic principles, hope you don't manage money for a living. Unless we're talking about a banker. You'd make a perfect banker.

/TOA

We don't need a raise in tax rate. We need a stable lower rate that EVERYONE pays. No loopholes, no workarounds. and apply to all types of income. we would be in the black in 4 years.

Ron Paul is (sorry for sounding extreme) America's last hope and I REALLY REALLY hope & pray that this is not some type of final cruel joke on the people when he gets elected.

I must say that he "gets elected" because if he doesn't it will prove (unfortunately) once and for all that America is literally insane or COMPLETELY under the thumb of the NWO and there is absolutely no going back.

I'm from Canada and the fact that Harper (think a clone of bush) got reelected tells me that my country already is one of the two (or both) that I mentioned above.

Peace

-AS-

Sanity???? On WHAT planet?

Paul will never, ever get into the WH. He won't even be nominated.

His approach of "property rights trump all" is anathema to a free society. His belief that market forces will prevail is quaintly ignorant. That was almost out of date when it was taught to me in college in the 60s.

Ron Paul just another clown in the clown show.

Originally posted by blah yada
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He's talking about government spending, not consumer spending.Government spending does nothing to help the economy as it requires more borrowing and debt ceiling adjustment, deepening the mess.

Government spending is part of the GDP and gives people jobs. Raising the tax rate on the rich back to pre-Reagen levels will have a dramatic positive impact on our economy.

GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports)

Taxes do play a part,but raising it on the rich will only raise the GDP and jobs as apposed to the middle class.