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Celibacy, homosexuality not to blame for priest abuse.

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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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The largest ever study on the sexual abuse crisis inside the Catholic Church in the United States has found that neither homosexuality nor celibacy are to blame.


I would say I agree with this 100%.

Not all gays are "Peds" so being gay must be ruled out immediately! Celibacy if a lifestyle choice and if one is determined to follow their belief they will remain celibate.

The animals that do this to innocent children are weak minded and pathetic excuses for human beings! A pure waste of oxygen!. They took a vow and they are so weak of mind they cannot live up to that vow! Most of them would commit these atrocities whether they are in the church or not.

It is not the fault of the church as a whole that it happens. It is a disgusting fault of the church in the way they cover these cowardly acts up! It astounds me that there are people high in the church who believe these things are wrong, would never do it themselves but yet will compromise their own values to help the church "Save face" They need to grow a real backbone and do what is right! I think those people are guilty as well and should be exposed and punished!

It disgusts me the way the church hides these things! This is why I am not a fan of the Catholic Church!
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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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"" The reason why priests do what they do is because they aren't allowed to express a natural sexual drive.""

i disagree wholeheartedly !

my stepmother is catholic and this is her reasoning as well. false.

a person in the priesthood could easily masterbate. end of story. there is no gray area here. none. no excuse!

they are simply pedophiles entering the priesthood. wolves in sheeps clothing.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by slowisfast
i can say that as a straight male that was celibate, by choice, for the last three years(up until a couple months ago) i can attest that celibacy, in no way, affected my judgment regarding what is and isn't acceptable.


i can relate. if anything, the desire for sexual intimacy decreases at an incredible rate. desire only surfaces with which you were originally attracted to.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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I would say I agree with this 100%. Not all gays are "Peds" so being gay must be ruled out immediately!


Pedophilia isn't, hasn't been a real issue, since the vast majority of victims are post-pubescent.

The media likes the sensationalism of the pedo issue, but it's a distraction from the obvious homosexual-based issue.

Agreeing with two significant report assertions "100%", seems like we're falling for their game. I would suggest that we need to seriously question this Catholic bishop's report, and if they say this, then maybe we should prudently suspect "that".

ESPECIALLY when they are pandering to the PC crowd.

JR



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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...they are simply pedophiles entering the priesthood.


We would do well to look past the pedophile nonsense. The data isn't there. This is an issue of homosexual men, victimizing post-pubescent boys, 80% of the time, when the "normal" stats suggest that girls should be the victims three times as often, all things being equal. They're not. It's a case of homosexual men, attracted to the priesthood, incubated in seminaries bathed in the homosexual subculture, finally playing out. Not a mystery.

This thread needs to get past the PC insanity. Yes, homosexuality is deeply involved in this scandal, and believing and buying into this report's assertion that homosexuality has nothing to do with it, is just as absurd as thinking celibacy has nothing to do with anything either.

COMMON SENSE, over PC madness, any day.

JR



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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Just my two cents, the whole "just stressed and confused by social turmoil" thing just doesnt hold water. If those were the determining factors, we should expect to see a corresponding increase in many professions of child molesting, and I dont know of any data that supports that.

Also, they could contrast rates of child abuse between gay and straight priests, presumably, but where precisely did they get the married priests with which to compare the rates of pedophilia, and thus eliminate celibacy as a factor?



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by phatpackage

Not all gays are "Peds" so being gay must be ruled out immediately!


No, the fact that not all gays are pedos does not mean that being gay should be ruled out as a factor.

Not all men are rapists, but almost all rapists are men. Hence, being male IS a factor in whom is more likely to rape.

Im not saying that to bash gay men. Im just pointing out an obvious flaw in your logic.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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So we need a news report to tell us the same thing that psychologists have been saying for years? Sex crimes are about control, not about sex. Still, the article sounds like it's making excuses for those sick F's.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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falling for their game


I have not fallen for any game! Read the last line of my post!



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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There is no "flaw" in my logic. You know where you can put your "illusions". I'm am not gay but some of my family members are. Being gay is not a contributing factor to being a "Ped". I aave family members and friends who work in Police Child Protection services. Degree qualified in criminology and they will tell you it has nothing to do with sexual preference. These are predators. Some happen to be gay but not all! get the point! It stretches beyond sexual preference! You say your not bashing gays! Sure as hell sounds like it!
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by phatpackage
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falling for their game


I have not fallen for any game! Read the last line of my post!


I probably misread you, but your post that I responded to mentioned that you agreed "100%" with the bishop's report's assertion that homosexuality and celibacy had nothing to do with the abuse. If that is your stance, then I would suggest that you have fallen for a part of their report that seems to be obfuscating the issues.

I tend to agree with the majority on this one, firstly, how can celibacy "not" be an issue? Even if it wasn't, it's hard to imagine how exactly they could come up with data on that, that would sustain any kind of scrutiny.

Regarding the homosexual part of the issue, I think illusions makes a good point, and I would suggest that your response to him/her is rather predictable, to some extent. The bishops know quite well to take advantage of this current climate of political correctness, and they seem to have calculated correctly, based on some of the responses in this thread, that seem to take issue with questioning this part of the report.

Logically speaking, we can't rule out homosexuality as a factor, especially in consideration of the statistics that indicate that both the abusers and the victims are mostly POST-pubescent males. The "pedo" issue seems to be a small part of the whole problem, so to focus on only the small part, and ignore the larger, doesn't do us any good. The media has done us all a disservice by playing into this more sensational part of the story, but we are no better, if we willfully choose to ignore the bigger picture.

I read the rest of your post too, of course you are indignant with this obvious attempt by the bishops to deflect, and bring up excuses, but I don't think we do the victims any justice by buying into parts of this report that pander to political correctness.

In my opinion, the whole report stinks to high heaven.

JR



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by phatpackage

There is no "flaw" in my logic. You know where you can put your "illusions". I'm am not gay but some of my family members are. Being gay is not a contributing factor to being a "Ped". I aave family members and friends who work in Police Child Protection services. Degree qualified in criminology and they will tell you it has nothing to do with sexual preference. These are predators. Some happen to be gay but not all! get the point! It stretches beyond sexual preference! You say your not bashing gays! Sure as hell sounds like it


I find the highly emotional cute but annoying.

It doesnt matter what current dogma is regarding gays and pedophilia. It can be wrong. Im not saying it IS wrong, Im just saying there is the possibility at any time of dogma being wrong if the information used to formulate said dogma was inaccurate. And, the old information indicated that females by far were more likely to be victims of child sexual abuse.

That "known" was part of the formula used to come to the conclusion that homosexuality was not a significant factor in pedophilia. Now, it is becoming apparent that that "known" may be incorrect. And many, many more males have been victims of sexual abuse than was previously known. In part, thanks to the pedophile priests. That wave of disclosures has changed the social mood and removed some of the stigma men have felt regarding reporting their own instances of abuse. Prior to that, the need not to appear gay yourself, or weak, and various other of the social baggage that males were carrying, made a lot of male victims stay silent.

Until we get an accurate picture of who really is being victimized, and in what percentage, and by whom, we really cannot say with any accuracy what is and is not a factor. Dogma be damned.

And you can whine at me as if I am making all this up, and vent your displeasure at me, or you can grow the flock up and just accept that thats how evaluating cause and effect works and it has nothing to do with me other than I know more about that than you do, and thus am the one pointing it out to you.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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the romam catholic rules that "priest's" cannot marry is a man made[by them] law. celibacy is a gift from God.so if it is man ordained then these priest's will still want sexual realtion's.sadly young children in their care become the target.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
most child rapists and pedophiles are christians, they need to be sent to guantanamo bay just like all the terrorists.


So you think that I along with every other christian should go to gitmo eh?

Only one word describes the vomit you spewed in this thread...



I'd be careful "The Professional".. you are gaining quite the bad reputation..
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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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"The report, commissioned by America's Catholic bishops, discounts a number of theories that have been previously floated to explain abuse by priests. "

..and in other news.. a recent study commissioned by cats discounts a number of theories that have been previously floated to suggest dogs are better.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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I never thought of it as a homosexual thing, though I am sure there are many of homosexuals that choose a life based on celibacy due to their religious upbringing. Thinking of it as a homosexual thing is the same as thinking it as a hetrosexual thing (little girls get molested too). It's a deviant thing. Celibacy, without spiritual will, most certainly contributes to eventual perversion (in my opinion). Just like using pornography to satisfy your self at the exclusion of other opinions leads down a road of needed more extreme clips in order to gain your fix.



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