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"Chemtrail" evidence. A challenge for believers.

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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I present a challenge to the "chemtrail" believers, provide the board with some evidence. The request is simple, present a single piece of damning evidence that shows "chemtrails" are anything but contrails. Modifications to airplanes, air samples, records of this massive operation, etc. Any evidence that supports the "chemtrail" conspiracy.

Since the "chemtrail" conspiracy is so widespread (and actually happening), there should be some evidence, so let's hear it ATS, together we can Deny ignorance.




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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S&F for you, I second this, prove what you claim!



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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I'd urge anyone tempted to post "evidence" here, to first check to see if it's already been explained. Many things, claims, videos, photos, tests, etc, have been around for quite a while, and many were explained years ago, often on ATS.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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I could always say chemtrails killed my father, and raped my mother, but I have no evidence.
I do however approve your message and you will now receive a star and a flag from me for being obvious and logical.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Well this ranks up there with proving whether or not crop circles are real...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by chrismarco
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Well this ranks up there with proving whether or not crop circles are real...

Crop circles are most certainly real, they just are in no way extraterrestrial in origin.

That's irrelevant to my point though, let's get some "chemtrail" evidence in here!



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Ever heard of something called....intuition??

It fits, like a glove....



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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your not going to get any good discussion and that's my point



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
Ever heard of something called....intuition??

It fits, like a glove....

Faith is not evidence. Here is a definition of evidence, if you would like to contribute some:
Evidence: noun, The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Why don't you get of ya pot, and prove they are fake/false or just a myth

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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for the mentally challenged....

Faith

Intuition
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
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for the mentally challenged....

Faith

Intuition
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Thank you for the links, if you read about both you will realize that neither relies on evidence.

So I'll ask, do you have any evidence?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Judging by your previous threads and posts on ATS, 90% dealing with debunking Chemtrails, I'd say you were the official disinfo guy on the subject. It seems you have no other purpose. That being said, I'll simply throw out there:
If Wal-Mart can place chemicals into their air-conditioning units, and they do, this isn't even a theory, to control the shopping behavior of their customers, then why wouldn't the Government do the same thing to the rest of the country, or world for that matter? Population conditioning has always been a top priority of those with power. This is just another way to achieve this strive for control.

Personally, I'm no big chemtrail theorist, and I'm not even sure if its being done, but the fact that corporations are legally doing it in their stores, doesn't bode too well in the argument against the theory that it's being done by our own governments. I've had three different employees of Wal-Mart from two different branches confirm that these in-store behavioral aerosols are in fact used; one a maintenance man, the other a manager.

I'm not going to return to this thread after I hit reply, so there's no need to spark a war of words over something that can't be proven "True" or "False". I'm only stating my knowledge of corporate tactics, and the fact that our government is a corporation, hence it would have the same tactics. Later Tater.

~Mactire
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Mactire
If Wal-Mart can place chemicals into their air-conditioning units, and they do, this isn't even a theory, to control the shopping behavior of their customers, then why wouldn't the Government do the same thing to the rest of the country, or world for that matter?

Another extraordinary claim without any evidence. Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to pick up a gas mask next time I'm in Wal-Mart.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Are you sure you read the links??



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
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Are you sure you read the links??

I'm reading them a second time as we speak. Now, do you have any evidence to qualify your "belief" in "chemtrails" or are you going to continue to go on faith?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by kushin
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Why don't you get of ya pot, and prove they are fake/false or just a myth

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The burden of proof belongs to those making the claim they exist.

They have no evidence, so they cannot present any. Yet they still claim it to be true on belief alone.

All they can do is call names and accuse people of being "paid government disinfo agents" or something equally ignorant.

So if anyone believes they are true, then they should take your advise and get off the pot and show some evidence that backs up their claims.

Or they could just shut up and not bother responding to a thread they know they have nothing to add to



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo
They have no evidence, so they cannot present any. Yet they still claim it to be true on belief alone.



I actually don't mind people claiming something is true based on belief - as long as they acknowledge that it is belief and don't try to say it is a fact.

Belief is opinion - you can discuss opinion all you like and try to change people's opinions & beliefs without needing facts to do so.

Hence my thread - A chemtrail challenge - FACT or BELIEF?

so IMO chemmies are welcome (so to speak) to say the believe [whichever version of the hoax they believe in] - but as soon as they say something that enters the arena of science and fact and verifiable evidence (eg "contrails can't last more than 10/20/30 minutes, or patents are used to spray contrails, or this paper or that video is proof chemtrails exist, etc) - that's no longer belief - that's a statement of "fact" that can be proved true or false.

So when they do that they are fair game IMO.


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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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I don't care all that much either if they just believe in it. I do care when they start making claims and referring to them as fact.

What I don't understand, is belief after all your evidence has been refuted.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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We've gotten a few chemtrailers in here but none of them could present evidence. I wish I could say that I was surprised.
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