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The dead infant and the Obama birth-certificate mystery

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
Virginia did have
documentation else it would
never have been in the newspaper
as an infant death.


Where is the newspaper death announcement?




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Virginia did have
documentation else it would
never have been in the newspaper
as an infant death.


You don't think it's possible that a family member put a death notice in the paper to announce to family and friends and other interested parties that the baby died? You and WND are assuming too much, I think.


I cannot say for absolute certainty,
but I would assume there are laws
which prevent avg citizens from posting
birth and death announcements publicly
in a news paper. Else the Ins. Companies
would be flooded with fake deaths to recoup
Life Insurance money. The announcements in the
paper therefore only come from registrars.
Which would prevent Virginia's father or any
family member from posting a note for the family
when a phone call would suffice for that.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Virginia did have
documentation else it would
never have been in the newspaper
as an infant death.


Where is the newspaper death announcement?


Please reread the link.
www.wnd.com...

"A death announcement for the girl, under the name of her father, Tomio Sunahara, appeared in the Honolulu Star Advertiser on Aug. 8, 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on Aug. 14, 1961. "



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
I cannot say for absolute certainty,
but I would assume there are laws
which prevent avg citizens from posting
birth and death announcements publicly
in a news paper. Else the Ins. Companies
would be flooded with fake deaths to recoup
Life Insurance money. The announcements in the
paper therefore only come from registrars.
Which would prevent Virginia's father or any
family member from posting a note for the family
when a phone call would suffice for that.


Why would you assume anything?
Find such laws and post them here.

Research and finding the truth are actually not that bad if you actually give them a try. Let's see those laws preventing people from putting notices in the paper to prevent insurance fraud. So far it does not really make sense. Insurance companies do not rely on death announcements in papers but you want the truth so assuming is not where you will stop. You will go ahead and find out if that is true or not, won't you?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977
Excuse me? My question is about something you said on page two of this thread. I will post it a 3rd time.

Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Now, you have to ask, why did the fraud
occur ??? to hide something else,
maybe an adoption by Lolo Sortoro
which changed his citizenship to
Indonesian.

edit on 5/18/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)


Is that how it works in the US? If you are adopted, it changes your nationality to that of your newly adopted parent? What about his mother's nationality? That no longer counts? This seems odd.


That is from page two of this three page thread. did you already forget what you were putting out?
Why will you not answer the question?


this thread is not really about the adoption
processes for different countries. I have
no idea how that process works in Indonesia
for example. And it wouldn't matter none
the least where a parent was from if later
that child became a citizen of another country
at least IMO.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
this thread is not really about the adoption
processes for different countries. I have
no idea how that process works in Indonesia
for example. And it wouldn't matter none
the least where a parent was from if later
that child became a citizen of another country
at least IMO.


This is exactly what you wrote on page two of this thread.


Originally posted by boondock-saint
if Obama was issued a BC registration
number of an already deceased infant
then that is fraud and displaying that
fraud to the public is another felony.
Now, you have to ask, why did the fraud
occur ??? to hide something else,
maybe an adoption by Lolo Sortoro
which changed his citizenship to
Indonesian.
A former Indonesian
citizen cannot become US President.


Now you are saying you did not mean to say that? You are backing away because you know that is not true? What are you saying? Why would you say it if you did not mean for it to be true?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This entire Birther bull is another distraction.
This has got nothing to do with Obama.


I beg to differ sir,
Obama was the one who distributed
the long form and short form
birth certificates.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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reply to post by Violater1
 

I am using a computer that is not mine, and does not have a spell check. I tend to type fast and accidents do happen. If this small issue takes away from my ability to debate an issue with you, then all I can say is....good. I was talking to Boon! Debate the facts about Obama, leave the spelling/grammer police crap for the high school kids!

What is so complex about this? BS and others have made claims Obama is not American-born. Ok, prove it! Obama has provided evidence. Why can't you provide something to debunk him? WND claims to have experts.....but never release a name of someone who is even experienced in the field.

I am a former birther, but stepped back as it was made clear that there is nothing to the issue and those who support it will do anything to oust Obama. That includes making a fool out of themselves.


reply to post by boondock-saint
 

What research did you do Boon? You copied and pasted an article from WND. If thats what it takes to become an "experienced researcher" than I am God of researchers!

I believe that you are in fact working the scientific process in reverse. You already know what outcome you want, and now you have to backtrack to find the evidence to support your predetermined goal. Where does the experienced researcher come in and realize this is complete garbage with absolutely no teeth and your doing it in the wrong way?

To show you what I mean, lets look at what you have said:




thus far we have been looking for the WRONG birth certificate


Thats right, lets look for the one that doesn't exist?!




getting closer all the time folks

That's right! You have your mind all made up, and now we need to find evidence to support our claims based on...absolutely no evidence!

I will say again that you should be ashamed to think that people such as myself are going to buy this garbage attempt at "research"!








edit on 18-5-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: grammer



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Where is the death notice?

I'm sorry, but this WND story is FULL of holes! They talk about an unnamed researcher who we're just supposed to believe without ANY pictures, or other corroboration? Are you buying this?



The researcher found documentation for Virginia Sunahara's birth on the morning of Aug. 4, 1961, at Wahiawa General Hospital in Wahiawa, Oahu.


Can he share that documentation with us?



The infant developed complications and most likely was transferred to Kapi'olani Women and Children's Medical Center in Honolulu, although the hospital could have been Queens Medical Center. She died on Aug. 5, 1961.


Proof? Or ANY indication that this is true? "Most likely". Hello? Can we see his sources?



A death announcement for the girl, under the name of her father, Tomio Sunahara, appeared in the Honolulu Star Advertiser on Aug. 8, 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on Aug. 14, 1961.


Great. Can we see it?



The researchers who discovered Virginia Sunahara's birth record speculated that at the time of her death, her parents had not yet selected her name.


This unknown researcher speculated that, did he? Does that make it fact in your mind?



The timing of the newspaper death notice may have resulted...
...
The researchers further speculated that...
...
This would explain why the newspaper death announcements listed the name as Tomiyo Sunahara,


WHat? The death announcement didn't have her name? Then how does WND know it was her? Do you see this language "may have" and "speculated"? Does that raise any red flags with you? At all?

Read more: The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery www.wnd.com...



edit on 5/18/2011 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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Yo Boon

You know when you strike a nerve, and become closer to the truth when the CoIntel Pros begin
their spin attacks.
www.wnd.com...
This link says it all

Where is Virginia's BC number?

Is it the same as the forged, photoshopped BC of the POTUS?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Where is the newspaper death announcement?



A death announcement for the girl, under the name of her father, Tomio Sunahara, appeared in the Honolulu Star Advertiser on Aug. 8, 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on Aug. 14, 1961


www.investors.com...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This entire Birther bull is another distraction.
This has got nothing to do with Obama.


I beg to differ sir,
Obama was the one who distributed
the long form and short form
birth certificates.


Exactly, he released them to issue a premeptive strike against the entire Birthers and yet there is a problem that no one seems to get and that is the entire Birther yipyap is an entire distraction. No real evidence or credibility behind this.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This entire Birther bull is another distraction.
This has got nothing to do with Obama.


I beg to differ sir,
Obama was the one who distributed
the long form and short form
birth certificates.


Exactly, he released them to issue a premeptive(sic) strike against the entire Birthers and yet there is a problem that no one seems to get and that is the entire Birther yipyap is an entire distraction. No real evidence or credibility behind this.


And how long did this "transparency" take to release both of them (btw Didn't Berry say that there was no long form
)?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Birth records are NOT erased just because the infant died.
Even if it died at birth there woud still be a record of the birth.

This sort of situation is exactly what agents of TBTB use to give new identity to some of the protected withnesses.
And in other cases where a new identity would be expedient.
I would think that they would have wised up by now and be producing false birth records complete with social ssecurity numbers for future use.

This is an important discovery and should be pursued and made well known.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1
Yo Boon

You know when you strike a nerve, and become closer to the truth when the CoIntel Pros begin
their spin attacks.
www.wnd.com...
This link says it all

Where is Virginia's BC number?

Is it the same as the forged, photoshopped BC of the POTUS?


You cannot actually debate the issue? You have resorted to making fun of my spelling, calling us "Cointel pros", and using the length of time taken to release documents as shady but you have not touched on the facts of the issue!

Show me the money, and I will believe!



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
Birth records are NOT erased just because the infant died.
Even if it died at birth there woud still be a record of the birth.

This sort of situation is exactly what agents of TBTB use to give new identity to some of the protected withnesses.
And in other cases where a new identity would be expedient.
I would think that they would have wised up by now and be producing false birth records complete with social ssecurity numbers for future use.

This is an important discovery and should be pursued and made well known.


Exactly

But somebody with TPTB screwed up,
and that's where this defect becomes as apparent
as the ears on his head.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977
Why would you assume anything?
Find such laws and post them here.

really???
this type comments are trivial.

That would be like me trying to find a law
that says the sky has to be blue.

jeez



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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You have no idea if it is true or not and you do not even care but you put it forth as part of your theory? This is supposed to be taken seriously? So you are not really interested in the truth so much as you are interested in things in general?

If you want to get to the truth, you have to find facts. What is the problem there? I am actually in a bit of shock that a birther is calling something like a fact, "trivial." Obsessing over an article talking about a death notice, putting forth theories, then getting upset when someone asks you if what you say is actually true? What am I to make of this?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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See the interview The Post & Email did with Susan Daniels on what her investigation and research found on his social security numbers. www.thepostemail.com...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This entire Birther bull is another distraction.
This has got nothing to do with Obama.


I beg to differ sir,
Obama was the one who distributed
the long form and short form
birth certificates.


Exactly, he released them to issue a premeptive strike against the entire Birthers and yet there is a problem that no one seems to get and that is the entire Birther yipyap is an entire distraction. No real evidence or credibility behind this.


Who is it distracting, and from what?



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