The dead infant and the Obama birth-certificate mystery, page 4
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reply posted on 18-5-2011 @ 12:12 PM by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Violater1


I am using a computer that is not mine, and does not have a spell check. I tend to type fast and accidents do happen. If this small issue takes away from my ability to debate an issue with you, then all I can say is....good. I was talking to Boon! Debate the facts about Obama, leave the spelling/grammer police crap for the high school kids!

What is so complex about this? BS and others have made claims Obama is not American-born. Ok, prove it! Obama has provided evidence. Why can't you provide something to debunk him? WND claims to have experts.....but never release a name of someone who is even experienced in the field.

I am a former birther, but stepped back as it was made clear that there is nothing to the issue and those who support it will do anything to oust Obama. That includes making a fool out of themselves.


reply to post by boondock-saint


What research did you do Boon? You copied and pasted an article from WND. If thats what it takes to become an "experienced researcher" than I am God of researchers!

I believe that you are in fact working the scientific process in reverse. You already know what outcome you want, and now you have to backtrack to find the evidence to support your predetermined goal. Where does the experienced researcher come in and realize this is complete garbage with absolutely no teeth and your doing it in the wrong way?

To show you what I mean, lets look at what you have said:



thus far we have been looking for the WRONG birth certificate


Thats right, lets look for the one that doesn't exist?!



getting closer all the time folks

That's right! You have your mind all made up, and now we need to find evidence to support our claims based on...absolutely no evidence!

I will say again that you should be ashamed to think that people such as myself are going to buy this garbage attempt at "research"!







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reply posted on 18-5-2011 @ 12:14 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by boondock-saint



Where is the death notice?

I'm sorry, but this WND story is FULL of holes! They talk about an unnamed researcher who we're just supposed to believe without ANY pictures, or other corroboration? Are you buying this?


The researcher found documentation for Virginia Sunahara's birth on the morning of Aug. 4, 1961, at Wahiawa General Hospital in Wahiawa, Oahu.


Can he share that documentation with us?


The infant developed complications and most likely was transferred to Kapi'olani Women and Children's Medical Center in Honolulu, although the hospital could have been Queens Medical Center. She died on Aug. 5, 1961.


Proof? Or ANY indication that this is true? "Most likely". Hello? Can we see his sources?


A death announcement for the girl, under the name of her father, Tomio Sunahara, appeared in the Honolulu Star Advertiser on Aug. 8, 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on Aug. 14, 1961.


Great. Can we see it?


The researchers who discovered Virginia Sunahara's birth record speculated that at the time of her death, her parents had not yet selected her name.


This unknown researcher speculated that, did he? Does that make it fact in your mind?


The timing of the newspaper death notice may have resulted...
...
The researchers further speculated that...
...
This would explain why the newspaper death announcements listed the name as Tomiyo Sunahara,


WHat? The death announcement didn't have her name? Then how does WND know it was her? Do you see this language "may have" and "speculated"? Does that raise any red flags with you? At all?

Read more: The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery www.wnd.com...


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reply posted on 18-5-2011 @ 12:32 PM by sheepslayer247
Originally posted by Violater1
Yo Boon
You know when you strike a nerve, and become closer to the truth when the CoIntel Pros begin
their spin attacks.
www.wnd.com...
This link says it all
Where is Virginia's BC number?
Is it the same as the forged, photoshopped BC of the POTUS?


You cannot actually debate the issue? You have resorted to making fun of my spelling, calling us "Cointel pros", and using the length of time taken to release documents as shady but you have not touched on the facts of the issue!

Show me the money, and I will believe!


reply posted on 18-5-2011 @ 12:42 PM by Runaway1977
reply to post by boondock-saint



You have no idea if it is true or not and you do not even care but you put it forth as part of your theory? This is supposed to be taken seriously? So you are not really interested in the truth so much as you are interested in things in general?

If you want to get to the truth, you have to find facts. What is the problem there? I am actually in a bit of shock that a birther is calling something like a fact, "trivial." Obsessing over an article talking about a death notice, putting forth theories, then getting upset when someone asks you if what you say is actually true? What am I to make of this?
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