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The dead infant and the Obama birth-certificate mystery

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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 10:34 PM

Originally posted by boondock-saint

In fact he was recruited by Business International Corporation that was continuously being accused of as a CIA front company. Wikipedia, an independent source, supports this,

Since when is wikipedia a source of any kind, independent or not? These are the kinds of things that are really making this entire birther house of cards fall apart. I read posts praising statements like this and then see the actual statement cites wikipedia as a source? Someone please explain and I really need to see a real source for this stuff thanks.

posted on May, 22 2011 @ 10:37 PM

Originally posted by boondock-saint
some of it came from Wayne Madsen.
Former US Navy and former NSA.
I'd say that was pretty credible.

Appeal to authority?
Is there any real research and facts in this story at all?

Just facts. I have made it this far without seeing any actual facts with sources. That is all I am looking for.

posted on May, 23 2011 @ 08:10 AM

Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by MaskedDebater

Masked Debater

just a question for ya

Thus far you have only 9 posts on ATS.

ALL 9 of those posts have been on Obama threads
in support of Obama.

Is there a reason for this ???

Did you just join ATS to troll
Obama threads ???

Dear Mr. Boondock Saint,

In the post I've quoted above you levied an untrue accusation towards me. I'm not sure if you were merely attempting to discredit my dissenting opinion but regardless your swipe at me was non factual. I'm learning the various tools available to members as I was a longtime lurker. There is so much more that members have that I feel like that guy sitting in the chair getting blown away in the famous Maxell audio tape ad. It took me an entire day to get my Avatar sized right and I'm learning the other various functions. (rivals, friends, adding pictures and videos) Learning this new toolset is a tad intimidating compared to the dumbed-down non member experience.

Among the various tools someone can review another members posting trail. If you review mine using the drop down menu under the left stat menu, you will see I have most defintely NOT solely posted in Obama threads, only this one and another NON Obama thread 9 times. I'm not sure if there is a provision to request a false assertion retraction but kindly request you RETRACT your untrue claim about me. I'm striving to be a straight shooter and diplomat in this matter. Just because I don't agree with your opinion is no reason to tell lies.


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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 08:28 AM
Dowling Family Genealogy

Entries: 291862 Updated: 2011-05-13 05:21:00 UTC (Fri) Contact: Home Page: Dowling Family Genealogy
We Are All Related
Index | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Public Profile | Add Post-em
ID: I206628
Name: Virginia SUNAHARA
Sex: F
Birth: 4 AUG 1961 in Hawaii
Death: 5 AUG 1961 in Hawaii
Burial: 28 SEP 1961 Sec. U, Site 966-F, National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific, Honolulu, HI

Ancestry Hints for Virginia SUNAHARA

1 possible matches found on

Father: Tomio SUNAHARA b: 13 OCT 1924 in Hawaii
Mother: Living PARK

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

I found this apologies if its been already posted if you go to that page there is an email address for the dowling family doing the research?

Sorry dont really know much about this

posted on May, 23 2011 @ 11:05 AM

Originally posted by xuenchen
who looks like who ?

not "Obama Sr." ???

Was Malcolm “X” Obama’s Father?

There is also speculation that Obama is the son of the civil right activist, Malcolm X (Malcolm Little), who was murdered in 1965, allegedly by members of the Nation of Islam. Ann Dunham graduated from high school in the Seattle area in 1960. Malcolm X formed the Nation of Islam Temple No. 67 in Seattle that same year, and was a guest speaker at various universities, including the University of Washington. The “out of the mainstream” Dunham was certainly the type of person who would have been attracted to a Malcolm X speaking event. She also had a history of dating non-white students, and could have met the civil rights leader at one of his public events. It is not difficult to see that Obama resembles Malcolm X considerably more than he resembles Barack Obama, Sr., but resemblance is certainly not the same as evidence. Perhaps the truth will never be known without the release of original birth records or DNA testing, and the likelihood of that is minimal. (Obama himself may not even know his real history.) But Dunham was already in Hawaii when she became pregnant in late 1960. In order for Malcolm X to be Obama’s father the civil rights leader had to have been in Hawaii in late 1960 or Dunham had to leave Hawaii to be with him. No evidence of either circumstance has been produced, but it is not out of the realm of possibility. [408,524,526,1095]

Far-fetched or not, the Malcolm-X-as-father scenario would explain why Obama seemed to be “looked after” – both financially and otherwise – throughout his college years and his political career. Obama would later receive a letter of recommendation to attend Harvard Law School from Percy Sutton, who happened to have been Malcolm X’s attorney. Khalid al-Mansour (aka “Donald Warden”) became the main financial backer for Obama. Al-Mansour has been a close associate of Nation of Islam (NOI) leader Louis Farrakhan, and of Malcolm X, who was the national spokesman for NOI. It is not unreasonable to assume that, if Obama was indeed the son of Malcolm X, those who were close to the civil rights leader would promise to “look after him” in any way possible, making sure he was taught in the ways of Islam and socialism, funded perhaps by Arab and Syrian financiers. Obama’s financial and political benefactors eventually included Tony Rezko, Percy Sutton, Khalid al-Mansour, Muhammadian Mian Soomro, Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, and William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (who would have known Malcolm X , Donald Warden, and associates like Black Panther members Huey Newton and Bobby Seale). A close neighbor of Obama in Chicago is Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Malcolm X split with the Nation of Islam partly over the issue of the illegitimate children of its leader, Elijah Muhammed. If Malcolm X then fathered his own illegitimate child (Obama), he certainly would have had to cover that up in order to retain his reputation of being “above the fray” – and to protect his son from the criminal record, death threats, and violence he himself experienced. Barack Obama, Sr., who Malcolm X had met in Kenya, became the fall guy. Many pieces of the puzzle would fit – and the Obama birth certificate may be one of the key pieces. [408,524,526,1095]

That the father of candidate Obama was someone other than Barack Obama, Sr. is, of course, only speculation. Right or wrong, therefore, the remainder of this timeline continues with the assumption that the father of Barack Obama, Jr. was Kenyan Barack Obama, Sr.

From Obama's timeline and my search to see if Malcom and Ann could have been in the same place at the same time!!!!

posted on May, 23 2011 @ 01:05 PM
Let's not forget about Frank Marshall Davis. Obama's mentor and close friend with his grandfather Stanley Armour Dunham.

One theory about Davis

Davis had a bit of an unusual history.

More on Davis and his connection to Obama

Obama's mentor was also a self admitted pedophile

It has also been established that Mr Davis, who divorced in 1970, was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in San Diego in 1968 by Greenleaf Classics under the pseudonym Bob Greene.

In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Mr Davis confirms that he was the author of Sex Rebel: Black after a reader had noticed the “similarities in style and phraseology” between the pornographic work and his poetry.

“I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine.” In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Mr Davis (writing as Greene) explains that although he has “changed names and identities…all incidents I have described have been taken from actual experiences”.

He stated that “under certain circumstances I am bisexual” and that he was “ a voyeur and an exhibitionist” who was “occasionally mildly interested in sado-masochism”, adding: “I have often wished I had two penises to enjoy simultaneously the double – but different – sensations of oral and genital copulation.”

The book, which closely tracks Mr Davis’s life in Chicago and Hawaii and the fact that his first wife was black and his second white, describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters, often involving group sex.

One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne. Mr Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.

“But there are exceptions. I didn’t want to disappoint the trusting child. At her still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even cripple her sexually for life.”

He then described how he and his wife would have sex with the girl. “Anne came up many times the next several weeks, her aunt thinking she was in good hands. Actually she was.

Who was the "Anne" mentioned in this book? Who knows.
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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 01:45 PM
Brilliant boon!! I've read this thread from start to finish and find myself once again amazed.

All the information provided here contributes so much insight into the foundation on which this latest so-called Birth Certificate was constructed. It is also very revealing as to how the Soetoro/Obama persona has been meticulously crafted over the years for public consumption.

If at the very start of Soetoro/Obama's life you have the secret creation of a phony identity, it's a pretty safe bet that the rest of his life has been fashioned with the same masks of illusion using the tried and true techniques and templates of deception. This is of course, not a distraction, but the core telling essence of who Soetoro/Obama is and indicates beyond all doubt the dire consequences this could have for not only the U.S. but also, all the world as a result. Some of which, we have already witnessed.

It is ominously striking how much of his life has been built on either the contributing factors of deceased people or strangely muted at critical junctures of his life by the conveniently timed death of others.

The insights into the ramifications of the issues that you have shared here are of profound significance because, the public Soetoro/Obama's policies and actions cannot be separated from the concerns related to his private identity, and also, more importantly, from the operating principles concealed and arising from within his secret identity which has been provided for him with ill-conceived intent.

posted on May, 24 2011 @ 06:19 AM

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by sepermeru
You, boondock, want people to think that.


dude, I'm just following the bread crumbs.
the choice is yours on what you believe.

I have to ask what kind of bread you have been eating.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
And not ONLY is it the same palm print,
but it appears to be in the shape of a
lightening bolt. Now how weird is that ???
So now I'm left scratching my head wondering
if Obama really is a genetically engineered
Alien/Human Hybrid.

You judge for yourself. Find pics of both of
Obama's hands and do your own analysis

edit on 4/20/2011 by boondock-saint because: added url

posted on May, 24 2011 @ 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Antiquated1

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by sepermeru
You, boondock, want people to think that.


dude, I'm just following the bread crumbs.
the choice is yours on what you believe.

I have to ask what kind of bread you have been eating.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
And not ONLY is it the same palm print,
but it appears to be in the shape of a
lightening bolt. Now how weird is that ???
So now I'm left scratching my head wondering
if Obama really is a genetically engineered
Alien/Human Hybrid.

You judge for yourself. Find pics of both of
Obama's hands and do your own analysis

edit on 4/20/2011 by boondock-saint because: added url

LOL Well played. If I had to guess, white bread for sure!

On subject:

It seems ludicrous to me to think this army of deranged keyboard commandos think they can dig up any real dirt on POTUS. I mean c'mon. Obama passed muster in the last election amidst the likes of deep pockets and champion mud slingers from BOTH parties. If "The Don" spent all that money on his "special investigative team" he sent to Hawaii who came up empty and he subsequently backed out of race, what does that tell you?

Or the infinitely deep pockets of the Koch brothers, nary a single impeachable fact. Obama was right about carnival side show barkers like Trump, Taitz and the rest of the berserk birthers. The flanks of Obama detractors would do themselves a favor to realize THEY are fueling the likelihood of his 2nd term. Of course taking out the World's most notorious terrorist by a brazen raid didn't hurt either. Just look at the list of GOP dropouts thus far. At least I give them props for realizing he is unbeatable. Who is still standing? Neutron Gingrich and that Tim Paltry guy. LOL

Of course this is just the opinion of a paid disinfo agent channeling Elvis.


posted on May, 25 2011 @ 11:02 AM
reply to post by MaskedDebater

There is another avatar with a wooden mask in it. I believe you have been thought to be the other person. I've been watching for the other one and never found the avatar yet.

You are a case of mistaken identity and ought to be given an Apology!

posted on May, 25 2011 @ 10:07 PM
oh btw Obama is from Thailand, his family is phony ( ha, and black) Stanley Ann Dunham and her parents are still alive in Hawaii....age 68, and 88-90 He is on the Side of the Nazi Bushes.Clinton and willing to destroy America

posted on May, 26 2011 @ 11:28 PM

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Fury1984

Research huh? I'd love to see your ingenious idea on how to gain access to the Vault room which btw, is a secured area and is usually guarded by either former military or recently retired State Trooper so how exactly do you plan to get in there? March on up and demand they let you in? You've got to be kidding me. Unless you are an employee of The Hawai'i State Bureau of Health you ain't getting anywhere near it. Hence why Trump got shut down.

So sorry!

I forgot to mention that my name is Danny Ocean.

You make a valid point. If there is a cover-up, then Obama has many friends in Hawai'i State Government (which we already know he does).

posted on May, 28 2011 @ 12:10 AM

have fun looking for his friends--------------------------the Nazi Communist!

posted on May, 28 2011 @ 12:27 AM

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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:42 AM
While I would like proof that the birth certificate number is not that of Somara's I do understand how painful it would be for them to relive such a loss :cry:

posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:10 PM
reply to post by boondock-saint

Check this out, not sure if allready posted

The Plot Thickens.........Yes, I know he has already done a lot of damage to our country. (AMERICA) That's why we must get rid of him and his gang of Socialists as soon as possible.
An intensive investigation has revealed the identity of the man whose
Social Security number (SSN) is being used by President Obama:

Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, immigrated to the
United States in 1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425 (Obama's
current SSN) on or about March 1977.

Ludwig lived most of his adult life in Connecticut . Because of that,
his SSN begins with the digits 042, which are among only a select few
reserved for Connecticut residents.

Obama never lived or worked in that state! Therefore, there is no
reason on earth for his SSN to start with the digits 042. None

Now comes the best part! Ludwig spent the final months of his life in
Hawaii , where he died.

Conveniently, Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, worked
part-time in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse, and
therefore had access to the SSNs of deceased individuals.

The Social Security Administration was never informed of Ludwig's
death, and because he never received Social Security benefits there
were no benefits to stop and therefore, no questions were ever raised.

The suspicion, of course, is that Dunham, knowing her grandson was not a U.S. Citizen, either because he was born in Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia upon his adoption by Lolo Soetoro simply scoured the probate records until she found someone who died who was not receiving Social Security benefits, and selected Mr. Ludwigs
Connecticut SSN for Obama.

Just wait until Trump gets past the birth certificate and onto
the issue of Barry O's use of a stolen SSN. You will see leftist heads
exploding, because they will have no way of defending Obama.

Although many Americans do not understand the meaning of the term "natural born" there are few who do not understand that if you are using someone else's SSN it is a clear indication of fraud.

Let's all get this information out to everybody on our mailing lists.
If the voters of this great nation can succeed in bringing this lying,
deceitful, cheating, corrupt, impostor to justice it will be the
biggest and best news in decades for our country and the world.
“Very Interesting Bit Of Detective Work”

Errors in the recently produced White House birth certificate.......

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Post-colonial history (from Wikipedia)

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?????

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