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reply posted on 17-5-2011 @ 11:21 PM by ChaoticOrder
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Now my question is... How do we break free? How do I go about not paying income tax?
Well it's funny you should ask that, because I think I just found the answer: Bitcoin. There was a thread recently made on it: www.abovetopsecret.com...

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reply posted on 18-5-2011 @ 12:08 PM by adeclerk
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If you really love America, you would be more than happy to pay taxes. After all, without taxes there could be no America.


reply posted on 20-5-2011 @ 10:26 PM by Se7enex
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Really? I think you have forgotten what America was founded on.
Do some research into the Constitution and other documents. Our country is run nothing like it should be.
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reply posted on 21-5-2011 @ 12:30 PM by adeclerk
Originally posted by Se7enex
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Really? I think you have forgotten what America was founded on.
Do some research into the Constitution and other documents. Our country is run nothing like it should be.
edit on 20-5-2011 by Se7enex because: (no reason given)

Oh right, the founding fathers created the States, realized that fighting the revolutionary war had caused them to go into debt, and immediately started to tax liquor. I'd say we're being run correctly.


reply posted on 21-5-2011 @ 12:52 PM by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by Se7enex
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Really? I think you have forgotten what America was founded on.
Do some research into the Constitution and other documents. Our country is run nothing like it should be.
edit on 20-5-2011 by Se7enex because: (no reason given)

Oh right, the founding fathers created the States, realized that fighting the revolutionary war had caused them to go into debt, and immediately started to tax liquor. I'd say we're being run correctly.


They could choose to either buy liquor or not, when you purchase it you decide to pay for the tax. If not enough people bought it, the free market would have kicked in and democracy would have changed the tax. Taxes on a limited level are necessary even if they are inconvenient, but now we are taxed pretty much just for being alive and it is not a choice.

Do I want to pay for the liquor and fund the government?
Do I want to live and fund the government?
Not exactly the same thing.

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical" -Thomas Jefferson



reply posted on 21-5-2011 @ 12:55 PM by adeclerk
Originally posted by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by Se7enex
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post by adeclerk



Really? I think you have forgotten what America was founded on.
Do some research into the Constitution and other documents. Our country is run nothing like it should be.
edit on 20-5-2011 by Se7enex because: (no reason given)

Oh right, the founding fathers created the States, realized that fighting the revolutionary war had caused them to go into debt, and immediately started to tax liquor. I'd say we're being run correctly.


They could choose to either buy liquor or not, when you purchase it you decide to pay for the tax. If not enough people bought it, the free market would have kicked in and democracy would have changed the tax. Taxes on a limited level are necessary even if they are inconvenient, but now we are taxed pretty much just for being alive and it is not a choice.

Do I want to pay for the liquor and fund the government?
Do I want to live and fund the government?
Not exactly the same thing.

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical" -Thomas Jefferson

No income, no tax. If you don't like paying sales tax, leave America. Simple as that.


reply posted on 21-5-2011 @ 12:57 PM by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by Se7enex
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post by adeclerk



Really? I think you have forgotten what America was founded on.
Do some research into the Constitution and other documents. Our country is run nothing like it should be.
edit on 20-5-2011 by Se7enex because: (no reason given)

Oh right, the founding fathers created the States, realized that fighting the revolutionary war had caused them to go into debt, and immediately started to tax liquor. I'd say we're being run correctly.


They could choose to either buy liquor or not, when you purchase it you decide to pay for the tax. If not enough people bought it, the free market would have kicked in and democracy would have changed the tax. Taxes on a limited level are necessary even if they are inconvenient, but now we are taxed pretty much just for being alive and it is not a choice.

Do I want to pay for the liquor and fund the government?
Do I want to live and fund the government?
Not exactly the same thing.

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical" -Thomas Jefferson

No income, no tax. If you don't like paying sales tax, leave America. Simple as that.


No, if I don't like the tax I remind everybody that I am an American. That gives me the right to tell the government to change the laws, and if you don't like freedom you can leave America. Simple as that.


reply posted on 21-5-2011 @ 01:11 PM by adeclerk
Originally posted by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by Se7enex
reply to
post by adeclerk



Really? I think you have forgotten what America was founded on.
Do some research into the Constitution and other documents. Our country is run nothing like it should be.
edit on 20-5-2011 by Se7enex because: (no reason given)

Oh right, the founding fathers created the States, realized that fighting the revolutionary war had caused them to go into debt, and immediately started to tax liquor. I'd say we're being run correctly.


They could choose to either buy liquor or not, when you purchase it you decide to pay for the tax. If not enough people bought it, the free market would have kicked in and democracy would have changed the tax. Taxes on a limited level are necessary even if they are inconvenient, but now we are taxed pretty much just for being alive and it is not a choice.

Do I want to pay for the liquor and fund the government?
Do I want to live and fund the government?
Not exactly the same thing.

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical" -Thomas Jefferson

No income, no tax. If you don't like paying sales tax, leave America. Simple as that.


No, if I don't like the tax I remind everybody that I am an American. That gives me the right to tell the government to change the laws, and if you don't like freedom you can leave America. Simple as that.

I like freedom, but I realize I must pay taxes to support the government that provides me freedom.


reply posted on 21-5-2011 @ 01:21 PM by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by The_Phantom
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by Se7enex
reply to
post by adeclerk



Really? I think you have forgotten what America was founded on.
Do some research into the Constitution and other documents. Our country is run nothing like it should be.
edit on 20-5-2011 by Se7enex because: (no reason given)

Oh right, the founding fathers created the States, realized that fighting the revolutionary war had caused them to go into debt, and immediately started to tax liquor. I'd say we're being run correctly.


They could choose to either buy liquor or not, when you purchase it you decide to pay for the tax. If not enough people bought it, the free market would have kicked in and democracy would have changed the tax. Taxes on a limited level are necessary even if they are inconvenient, but now we are taxed pretty much just for being alive and it is not a choice.

Do I want to pay for the liquor and fund the government?
Do I want to live and fund the government?
Not exactly the same thing.

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical" -Thomas Jefferson

No income, no tax. If you don't like paying sales tax, leave America. Simple as that.


No, if I don't like the tax I remind everybody that I am an American. That gives me the right to tell the government to change the laws, and if you don't like freedom you can leave America. Simple as that.

I like freedom, but I realize I must pay taxes to support the government that provides me freedom.


'I like freedom, but I think the government needs to take away my freedom to give me freedom.'

Like I said, nothing wrong with paying limited taxes when it is a choice, it's not a choice therefore no freedom to decide to pay the tax. But the government can't provide you freedom, it's from God, no man can give it to you or take it away. That's why we celebrate Independence day on July 4th when we declared we were free. This was the entire basis of what America was founded on, that's why some men who weren't even big believers in religion thought is was so important to found the country on the idea that freedom is from God, so people later on wouldn't say let the government take freedom away so that they can defend my freedom. Henry David Thoreau outlined this concept very well in "Civil Disobedience" and men like Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi learned form it, took ideas from it and proved it to be true.
edit on 21-5-2011 by The_Phantom because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 21-5-2011 @ 01:28 PM by ofhumandescent
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1.Paying income tax is illegal.
2.A license is not required to travel on public roadways.
3.We as Natural Persons are not subject to imprisonment, tickets, or statutes. We are only subject to the "Laws of the Land"


Yeah right, Don't pay your income tax and you will spend time in a federal penitentiary.

Have a police officer pull you over without a license or car insurance and you will end up in the back of a squad car and in jail until someone bails you out

The laws of the land are no longer in effect.............read my location.

Now, you are misinforming people and if they try any of the stuff you have put up there they will find themselves in jail, court and having to pay a lawyer thousands upon thousands of dollars to get them their freedom back.

We now live in a police state.

Welcome to 1984.

We have two lawyers in our family and they say your post is a crock of the brown word.


reply posted on 25-5-2011 @ 01:21 PM by Se7enex
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Yes, let's ignore all of the casualties we caused in the course of killing the terrorists.
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