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Britain could have 'crushed Germany within three years' if RAF had not REJECTED inventor's plans

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Two Thoughts, firstly the Second World War was essentially a ground war involving thousands of armoured vehicles and millions of ground soldiers, the air war though destructive did little to diminish overall manufacturing output.
Secondly, the air war was about maintaining production quotas of aircraft, during the 3 months of the 1940 Battle of Britain, 100's of Spifire and Hurricane fighters were produced to replace loses incurred.

p00hbear




posted on May, 19 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by waynos
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Any idea that a serviceable jet fighter might be produced in this timeframe is pure fantasy. Airframe technology was nowhere near ready.
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Certainly, and thats why the whole statement (and probably, the premise of the book) is nonsense. One has to be aware that even after years of wartime experience, the Gloster Meteor was not a really good aircraft. This focus on the jet engine is simplistic; it is not enough to strap jet engines on a traditional plane. Which is why the real development step was the finished jet aircraft. There is no thinkable way the British could have produced a Jet counterpart to the killer Bf-109 in that timeframe.

In the larger context of the war, ( and skipping the whole jet bomber issue which I know not enough about^^)only a jet airplane of the quality of a Mig-15 would have had any meaningful impact on its own. And both Germans and Brits were years away from that proficiency at the time of the war.

Lastly, this british insistence on the magnificence of Frank Whittle borders a bit on the german obsession with Konrad Zuse. Yes, he had the earliest complete Turbojet. But neither Whittle or von Ohain were instrumental in bringing the jet aircraft to the front - a bit like the Wright Brothers invented powered flight but had little subsequent impact on the development of "Flight".

Only with the industry might of the big aeronautical players did it become useful. And in this, the German industry had undeniable advances. Because then one also has to think about the differences between the british centrifugal approach to the german focus on axial flow jets.

A hint here is that centrifugal jets are a niche product today.

Bottom line is, the "jet question" pales in comparison to the strategic blunders of the Germans, and is therefor rather irrelevant to the assessment of this war.
edit on 19/5/2011 by Lonestar24 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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The impression that the Germans concentrated on axials while the British worked on centrifuges, changing tack after the war, is widespread but mistaken.

The He 178 was powered by a centrifugal engine just as the E.28/39 was, the real difference was that the British felt the centrifugal engine offered the chance to put a more reliable and powerful engine into service more quickly, due to it's simplicity, while the axial was seen as a long term prospect, where the Germans went for it from the start.

The 140hr life and of the RR Welland compared to the 25hr max of the Jumo 004 is partly a result of this, and partly down the the material shortages in Germany. While the Metrovick F.2 axial engine that was flown successfully in the Meteor during the war was ultimately developed into what became the AS Sapphire and licence built as the Wright J65 that powered many subsequent types of aircraft.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Charles Edward Duke of Coburg. Usual Wiki biog available



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by funbox
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hmm 60 million dead doesn't stack up to reality ether. i mean 60 million dead people for what? a Jewish state?
how many border changed dramtically after the war? how many coffers were filled?

funbox


Deary me, I remember when this forum used to have some level of sanity.
Its like returning to your favourite childhood seaside resort to find the beach covered with heroin needles and empty cans of special brew.

Yes if Rome didn't fall we would probably all be talking Latin on Mars right now. Unfortunately it did and we are not.

The fact is that nations maintain unique technologies for a very short amount of time, it is human nature that revolutionary ideas such as the jet engine, nuclear weaponry and radar tend to propagate simultaneously as scientists and engineers move from nation to nation for various reasons.

If Mr Whittle had been taken seriously and brand spanking new jets along the lines of the Meteor and Vampire were knocking about before the war (would have looked amusing next to the 'new' HP Heyford), its quite likely that Goering would have accelerated their own development of jets. Much like the Dreadnought class led to an arms race, so too would these new aircraft.

One could therefore easily suggest that due to Nazi Germany's ability to quickly develop and produce new weapons, with their 'war geared' economy; that such an early development would likely lead to an even more fearsome Luftwaffe available for the Battle of Britain. The potential of mixing jet engines with high flying aircraft along the lines of the Heinkel He 274 would have reduced the RAF's ability to combat German bombers to nil.

Jensy

P.S Waynos, it is truly reassuring to see you are still here!



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Why do people say Germany could of won the war?

No matter how you spin it, they were going to get their asses handed to them regardless.
The americans would of eventually murdered them either way, so it doesn't even matter.
Germany knew they couldn't compete with America, which is why they wanted the USA as an ally.
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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by DuceizBack
Why do people say Germany could of won the war?

No matter how you spin it, they were going to get their asses handed to them regardless.
The americans would of eventually murdered them either way, so it doesn't even matter.
Germany knew they couldn't compete with America, which is why they wanted the USA as an ally.
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Yes, everyone knows it's "could have"


Can you elaborate on how Germany wanted the USA as an ally? This is not something I've come across before. I know there was an intention to have Britain as an ally, and several times when Germany hoped to 'negotiate' Britain back out of the war after it did begin, but as far as I am aware it was Germany that declared war on the USA?



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