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Fake or Real...Does Obama's BC even matter? No.

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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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I'm not going to count the number of threads on the issue because quite frankly, it doesn't matter.

I am not going to say I believe it's a fake or even if it's real, my opinion doesn't matter.

I won't even convince myself that if it's proven to be a fake, Obama can be thrown out on his laurels. It won't happen.

Why do I say these things? Because it doesn't matter!

There will never be anything to come of it. There will be no charges of fraud and even if there were, they wouldn't make it past the White House gate. He will not even take the time to read the charges.

He can do and say whatever he wants and he will never even be impeached. From War Crimes to his BC...if he is guilty on all charges nothing will come of it.

If he got caught having a little slap 'n tickle on the White House lawn with one of the maids there might be a chance.

2,050 Obama Lies

Why do I say all of this?

1. Because it's a hard fact that the majority of American People have given up and have relegated themselves to just surviving whatever comes next. Not all, but the majority.

2. The entire World knows that he is guilty of lies and crimes against not just America but the World. What's being done about it? Nothing.

3. His approval ratings went from approx. 30% to 70% for awhile just after the OBL fiasco. So much proof of a fake incident from the vids, testimony, disposing of evidence etc. What will come of it? Nothing. Just like always.

4. With the millions of Americans jobless, broke, homeless since he has taken over the Oval Office, a person would think that THESE are the reasons he should give up his chair or be thrown out of it. But what are people ranting about? The BC of course.

So, if it was proven that the BC issue was indeed a forgery with 100% proof, what will happen? Nothing.

I am 47 yrs old, have seen Presidents come and go and for the first time I get the feeling that this one is untouchable. America is falling and people are running around looking for proof of a fake ID rather than concentrating on all the evidence of his crimes that are all around us.

Diversionary tactic? That's my guess. He could be 100% American but as long as he can create doubt and stir a conspiracy, we'll never see what he's really up to.

My advice? We have enough well informed, intelligent and well spoken people here on ATS to make the difference that is needed. But if those resources are being used to chase down a piece of paper that may or may not exist, he wins again.

Just my 2 cents.

Another thread of mine addressing the same issues:

Are You Really Free If You Can't Question Your President?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

How is America free when there is no chance in hell of getting rid of a President that has and continues to lie, murder and steal from the American People and across the World?

What is going on in the US and why is it that the only time a President goes on trial is when he is involved in a sex scandal?

I sat back for the last few days and read thread after thread regarding Obama's complete disregard for the Constitution, the anger of so many asking for and not receiving answers to the OBL scandal and people seething at being considered stupid enough that they should just accept the official story and move on.









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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Crooks are not going to throw another crook out of office....end of story...he is under the care of evil puppet masters who have a plan for him...He is being used now and until they are through with him he will stay right where he is....in the District Of Criminals.....he's in good company......



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Caji316
Crooks are not going to throw another crook out of office....end of story...he is under the care of evil puppet masters who have a plan for him...He is being used now and until they are through with him he will stay right where he is....in the District Of Criminals.....he's in good company......


Exactly. He is protected by so many that he has been able to appoint himself as a King with all the powers that go with that title.

A piece of paper will not take him out. A constant barrage of criminal charges based on facts that can be proven would stand a better chance of success.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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Obama's father was from Kenya a British colonial territory. All American Presidents are traced in lineage to European royalty, the highest profile of which is of course British royalty.
Ancients of Mau Mau! Looks like they lost, or did they.
Of course it matters about his birth certificate. If it is a fake it is a fraud of the whole American political system.
A system I may add that those of us in persecution elsewhere, of which I'm one, used to look towards for hope.
Yes it matters.
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by goldentorch
Obama's father was from Kenya a British colonial territory. All American Presidents are traced in lineage to European royalty, the highest profile of which is of course British royalty.
Ancients of Mau Mau! Looks like they lost, or did they.
Of course it matters about his birth certificate. If is the fraud of the whole American political system.
A system I may add that those of us in persecution elsewhere, of which I'm one, used to look towards for hope.
Yes it matters.


By saying it doesn't matter, I am saying that nothing will come of it even if it is proven to be a fake. Of course it matters that it's a lie. But proving it will do nothing and meanwhile there are more issues to look at.

I posted this before but I'll do it again. If there was any way to do something about his lies, it started here:




posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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I’ve been curious as to what exactly would happen if he found to be unconstitutionally elected. ObamaCare would be null and void along with all the laws he signed and his appointed officials/Czars.

Would Biden, Pelosi and Reid be indicted as co-conspirators. What of the GOP members who knew?

Think about it, something had to be done otherwise Speaker of the House Boehner would be the next President.

I believe it would be a BIG mess and would be afraid of what it could do to the country as we are already pretty divided.

Vote with your head, not emotions, we are seeing what that gets us.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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I’ve been curious as to what exactly would happen if he found to be unconstitutionally elected. ObamaCare would be null and void along with all the laws he signed and his appointed officials/Czars.


Rightly so but would anything come of it? I don't think so. Too much power up there.

Let's face it, he can re-write any law he wishes. He's done it. He can dis-regard the Constitution. Done that also.

He can create a diversion. Yup, been there.

here's one. Far fetched but oh so possible:

Tomorrow, it is proven 100% that he is NOT legal.

Next day, 9.0 EQ in...let's say N. Madrid just because it's a hot topic right now.

Day after, Obama to the rescue and the people rejoice!

Day after that, coffee shop conversation: "I don't care if he isn't American Dammit! He's a great man and helped millions of US citizens."

Yeah, crazy scenario but it seems that easy to raise popularity and sway opinion these days.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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True, to true. That is a entirely plausible scenario. But the lawyers would still be like sharks in the water, looking to take anyone down for a quick buck.

But take away the 9.0 EQ and I believe that we would see a revolution here. The media would not let it go and IMO instigate further.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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True, to true. That is a entirely plausible scenario. But the lawyers would still be like sharks in the water, looking to take anyone down for a quick buck.

But take away the 9.0 EQ and I believe that we would see a revolution here. The media would not let it go and IMO instigate further.


Yeah. I just think his lawyers are bigger, faster and more connected.

And the Media? Well, are we talking the MSM? The MSM that Washington has in their pocket and under their thumb?

New CNN Poll: Since he saved millions of helpless citizens, should Obama's false BC be cause for stepping down?

Or the Article: "Obama was lied to from birth. He didn't know!

Some will see me as a pessimist but there is a fine line between that and a realist I believe.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Actually, it matters very much...IF there is evidence.

Evidence which has been made available in the public domain is much more difficult for them to obfuscate and ignore. That's why whistleblowers tend not to put the evidence out there, because doing so puts their lives at serious risk.

If there is ever solid evidence that Obushbama was not born in US, or solid evidence that the certificate is forged, then they are in much bigger trouble than leaving it as a confused is he/isn't he situation such as we have now.

If that evidence becomes available, people such as those on ATS then really do have something tangible to act on....if they want to act, rather than just discuss issues endlessly on an internet forum.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Yep, I believe that the MSM would have his back. At least long enough until another puppet replaced him.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen
Actually, it matters very much...IF there is evidence.

Evidence which has been made available in the public domain is much more difficult for them to obfuscate and ignore. That's why whistleblowers tend not to put the evidence out there, because doing so puts their lives at serious risk.

If there is ever solid evidence that Obushbama was not born in US, or solid evidence that the certificate is forged, then they are in much bigger trouble than leaving it as a confused is he/isn't he situation such as we have now.

If that evidence becomes available, people such as those on ATS then really do have something tangible to act on....if they want to act, rather than just discuss issues endlessly on an internet forum.


Agreed, the discussions are going nowhere IMO.

Let's say IF it is found to be fake. What would happen and how long would it take to carry it out?

It would take Months and longer, right up to the elections.

Would ALL of his pen work on countless bills be all of a sudden announced as null and void?

Would all of his destruction of the Constitution be reversed over night?

Would ALL of his actions in overseas conflicts be suddenly announced as illegal and troops on the planes in the morning coming home?

I don't think anything would happen at all. Lots of round tables, statements and a mess like nothing ever seen before. These are the reasons I believe it will never come to light.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by wcitizen
Actually, it matters very much...IF there is evidence.

Evidence which has been made available in the public domain is much more difficult for them to obfuscate and ignore. That's why whistleblowers tend not to put the evidence out there, because doing so puts their lives at serious risk.

If there is ever solid evidence that Obushbama was not born in US, or solid evidence that the certificate is forged, then they are in much bigger trouble than leaving it as a confused is he/isn't he situation such as we have now.

If that evidence becomes available, people such as those on ATS then really do have something tangible to act on....if they want to act, rather than just discuss issues endlessly on an internet forum.


Agreed, the discussions are going nowhere IMO.

Let's say IF it is found to be fake. What would happen and how long would it take to carry it out?

It would take Months and longer, right up to the elections.

Would ALL of his pen work on countless bills be all of a sudden announced as null and void?

Would all of his destruction of the Constitution be reversed over night?

Would ALL of his actions in overseas conflicts be suddenly announced as illegal and troops on the planes in the morning coming home?

I don't think anything would happen at all. Lots of round tables, statements and a mess like nothing ever seen before. These are the reasons I believe it will never come to light.


I can't answer those questions accurately. Here's some thoughts. If it went to court it could be ascertained pretty quickly that it is a forgery, if it really is forged. TPTB could draw things out, though. BUT, it would create an opportunity for the American people to stand up and make themselves heard and start defying this bunch of criminals. It would create an opportunity for and give ammo to the few honest politicians.

I have read, but I don't know how accurate it is, that if he was impeached because he was an impostor, all his orders would be null and void. A President who has lied about his nationality in order to become president is, in theory, a huge threat to national security. At the very least, everything he has done and enacted which is not constitutional would be much, much easier to challenge, and nullify or reverse.

Also, if this is ever proven in court, many, many of the government criminals' heads would have to roll too. He did not do this alone.

I'm praying!



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Just for levity. I predict that we will know the truth in 50 years (if we last that long) and nothing will happen. A footnote in history.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Just for levity. I predict that we will know the truth in 50 years (if we last that long) and nothing will happen. A footnote in history.


You are 100% correct. If he was to say it was fake himself right now it would not mater. It is damage done. It is like the old saying of closing the barn door after the horse has done run off. What is the point? I feel the whole things was ridged from the get go. Come here. A black man ( I am not a raciest but for the most part the whole country is) and a Muslim gets into the White House? Come on now, my cat has a better chance. I feel the whole thing was a set up from the start. But back to main question, the answer is NO,



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 05:28 AM
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He is definitely being protected by TPTB, I am so certain of it. The media defends him, his Party defends him(except for Phil Berg), even some Republicans don't think the BC matters. The entire thing has been a travesty, and for me even the BC is secondary to everything else he is doing, all the Marxist Socialist hope and change stuff and the path he is taking our country down. But the fact that people who ought to know better are looking the other way and even defending him is really telling about the state of our country. Ex KGB Yuri Bezmenov says it only takes 15-20 years to brainwash a generation.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Please use one of the many existing threads where the Obama birth certificate debate is already being discussed.

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