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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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No, I think you are confused.... He asked me a question, and I answered it. It had nothing to do with what you are quoting. Just that it happened to be posted after that post, does not mean I was answering it. If you want, I can explain how to see what post someone is responding to VIA U2U, at least when they hit the proper respond to button it works.




posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by imitator

It's funny one poster said he has Photoshop and Acrobat, and can replicate the Obama's BC
Yeah with Photoshop you can replicate anything, and add as many layers you want in Acrobat.


This is just a circus act, enjoy the show everyone while it last....


Yeah, yeah, more disingenuos hyperbole. Seems everyone is a comedian these days Good thing you posted when you did, I think we were starting to run low on pointless rhetoric the last few pages and folks were getting worried

Do you ever consider that if your position on the Presidents birth certificate were to be irrefutably proven wrong tomorrow, it will be outside the window allotted to edit your post. That means the multiple redundant laughy faces meant to wickedly punctuate your sarcastic gloating over an inferior intellect would be, in reality, mocking no one but yourself for being gullible and naive, eternally reminding everyone who cares to read just how wrong you were, day and night, for as long as this thread lives on in cyberspace?

Be careful with those smileys, they can really be hell...



Wrong..

And now your being hypocritically ingenuous? Do you wear shoes that exaggerate the size of your feet.... now that's comedy.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by userid1
 


No, I think you are confused.... He asked me a question, and I answered it. It had nothing to do with what you are quoting. Just that it happened to be posted after that post, does not mean I was answering it. If you want, I can explain how to see what post someone is responding to VIA U2U, at least when they hit the proper respond to button it works.


If it was merely a timing issue - I do apologize. A suggestion, if you were to use the quote function it would immediately identify the comment you were responding to - no questions.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


Nice try at the hate obama the muslim cheap shot.... Now trying at the religion card since the race card has been evoked? No, I disliked obama since the primaries, after having a look at his voting history, I knew he was lying his way through the campaign trail.




What vote history was it that you hated? Was that vote history different from anyone you would have voted for? Do you think anyone will make it too President who has a voting history you would approve of?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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You seem to support the man, and you don't know how he voted in his short political stint before he ran for president? Are you kidding?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Sure I will try to remember to add a quote in, when it is not too long. I don't think hitting the quote button sends a auto U2U that you get when you hit reply, which is why I use that button. Of course I could be wrong about it.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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OK...now I understand where you're coming from and won't insist your disdain for Obama is racism. If I read what you type correctly, you are against the direction the country has taken in the last around 30-40 years.

That direction has been toward globalization. Globalization is the reason that America is no longer what it once was. For wealthy people, the borders have been erased.

To be honest, I'm not sure how to feel about globalization, I mean is it not the natural progression? I compare it to some stupid gangbangers who are proud of their block and defend it tooth and nail. Someone who has actually been somewhere will think they are stupid and small-minded. There's a lot more to the world than your block!

I feel a certain way about people who object to America being different. What, do they expect us to live as in colonial times frying squirrel and wearing coon? The world, and indeed everything, must change, natures law.

So what we may see as the destruction of this great country may actually be the next step. Imagine if there ever were disclosure, if aliens ever decided to land and we had a bunch of separate nations? What would they think of us? They would think we are too primitive to associate with. We would be as a silly gangbanger is in the eyes of a well travelled, well educated business man.

This goal of creating a one-world everything, while sounding strang to us, is perhaps the next step in evolution. In the future, with th aid of technology, someone may live in America and work in Afrika! Children may go to school in Asia!

So maybe it's us old farts...that are trying to hault evolution?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Erm, what? I support the fact that the man is a horrible president...

Traitor, maybe. Terrorist, probably, by use of our military, just like bush was. Guess it depends how you look at it.

And for the record I am just as against all that "aid" we send to isreal as well. It sure as hell pisses me off when our "leaders" are putting the country into more debt, to send money and weapons to other countries, while we have veterans living in the streets! We have homeless and starving people here now. Cities pick them up, and drop them out of the way of the rich people, and the cameras when there is a big event. Out of sight, out of mind, and it makes me sick.




Ohhhh so you are what most describe as liberal in thinking? You do not believe that everyone should pull themselves up by their boot straps?

Your thoughts on Obama are fine if you felt this way about EVERY President we've had. Have they?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


You seem to support the man, and you don't know how he voted in his short political stint before he ran for president? Are you kidding?




That's my point...I don't support the man much, yet I'm not trying to prove him to be a Kenyan born muslim. I don't like how he hasn't done much in the way of real change.

If he had done something like got single-payor healthcare passed, even if I didn't agree with it, at least he would have done something Left and Progressive. He's basically a Republican...and yet Repubs are yelling he's tearing the country apart.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Ohhhh so you are what most describe as liberal in thinking? You do not believe that everyone should pull themselves up by their boot straps?

Your thoughts on Obama are fine if you felt this way about EVERY President we've had. Have they?


I don't consider myself falling in line with any particular political party, not dems or republicans. Some people are not able to pick themselves up, like the mentally ill. I support helping those people, not leaving them homeless and pretending they don't exist. Especially when it comes to veterans, they bought into the whole fighting for our country rhetoric, or worse, were drafted. The government tells us we should support the troops, yet don't live up to their own rhetoric. I guess supporting our troops ends when they are too broken to kill for our government.
edit on Fri, 20 May 2011 14:32:15 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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That's my point...I don't support the man much, yet I'm not trying to prove him to be a Kenyan born muslim. I don't like how he hasn't done much in the way of real change.

If he had done something like got single-payor healthcare passed, even if I didn't agree with it, at least he would have done something Left and Progressive. He's basically a Republican...and yet Repubs are yelling he's tearing the country apart.


In that case we are in total agreement, it is just an ass and elephant show. It looked to me like obama had committed fraud, and should be impeached for it. If it can be shown I was wrong, great. It's not the only issue I have things to say about when it comes to this administration for sure.

I think we are going a bit too far off topic though. Don't want to give the mods more work
edit on Fri, 20 May 2011 14:38:18 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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So sad that we must debate this at all ----
All candidates should be required to show all proof before on any ballot of qualifications --- (We do have an age minimim so that alone should make Birth Certs required. They must show financials and other ---We waste precious time (always after a mess is made) rather than doing things right the first time.

Obama is to blame for not telling/showing all immediately rather than game-playing!

Been watching all since Johnson (after Kennedy) --they all are scoundrels and bought/owned by others and are not leaders .

My dictionary defines a leader as: "one who does as says, shows by example, considers all he/she serves, practices what is preached, gets no more (takes) than any of those served, i.e. healthcare, food, housing, pay, benefits, pension, "deals" and deal making for their own" and more. With this in mind WHO ever meets this? Not even George Washington, Reagan, Kennedy, --- your governor, city leader, county leader, the CEOs, etc.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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I hate to state the obvious. BUT.

If Birthers, both self proclaimed and accused, had the inclination to believe otherwise, no one including themselves would refer to them as birthers.

If you go case by case, with each individual one, and go line by line with each individual one, your success rate will roughly match the success rate of converting Christians into atheists.

You have to deconstruct their faith one layer at a time, and give them the time to absorb that information and sort out a new order inside their own heads, for each and every one of the "truths" that they hold sacred.

Now honestly. Do you care that much? And is it worth the effort?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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I haven't heard that many people at all refer to themself as a birther. It seems to me it was one of those labels made up, to ridicule people, like teabagger. Labels are thrown around like that, way too much if you ask me....



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Thread itself is called "Birthers: We were right."

It certainly appears that anyone posting in the affirmative to this is OK with calling themselves a birther or their first response would be "I'm not a birther, but I think this is true".

Right? I think I have a pretty good grasp on the language. It's the only one I speak and write. Maybe I don't understand the self labeling part. Seemed pretty clear though.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by ArJunaBug
 

So maybe it's us old farts...that are trying to halt evolution?


I would have no problem with one world globalism, it is definitely where we need to be. My issue is I don't want to hand it to the current powers that be. We can all see where it is going, an Orwellian fascist police state. They have stated goals such as having children raised by the state, reducing the world's population by 90% through genocide and forced abortion. They attack us daily by spraying us with crap, adding crap to our food and water, and banning anything that is good for us in our food. I just rather not hand over the world to these animals. I have read the writings of many of these globalist eugenicists and they think of us as "useless eaters", and once they cull the herd to a manageable size they want to raise our children from birth in state institutions and assign jobs to each and every one of us. They understand that to accomplish their goals they need to severely dumb us down and keep us in poverty so we may never aspire to change anything that would affect their rule. Judging from what I have witnessed in my 51 years I say they are doing a good job so far. I see items in the news on a weekly or almost daily basis that would have caused nationwide outrage in both people and the press in my day that now passes over the lips of the press with barely a whisper and the only outrage comes in the form of web discussions with more than half of the noise coming from idiots that would have you believe it is all OK. I am scratching my head when I read this stuff. Do people really not see where it is heading? Are we that dumbed down?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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It's possible you have a point. I took the title to be a little sarcastic, I could have interpreted wrong. I just haven't noticed many people saying birther, other than people on the other side of the fence, and using it in an offensive type manner.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Butterbone
 

I just haven't noticed many people saying birther, other than people on the other side of the fence, and using it in an offensive type manner.


I'm going to conviently ignore your use of the word "many," since me citing only one place doesn't really qualify as "many"...

The initial article that this is based on comes from BirtherReport.com. Well, Kind of. birtherreport.com automatically re-directs to the Blogspot site that started this thread.

My point is only that, at least at some level, there is the belief by some birthers that it is worthwhile for them to recognize that using the term "birther" has merit.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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Apologies for the delay, unfortunately the rule book says real life trumps ATS obligations every time.

I'll have workable data documented and posted for general scrutiny shortly ( barring unforeseen interruption, why does western civilization always seem closest to imminent collapse on friday afternoon?).

Worst case if phone keeps ringing an hour or two from this posting.

Fair enough?



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Yeah I know how inconvenient real life can be sometimes, not a problem.



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