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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by imitator
I would bet some French guy born in 1890 is rolling in his grave.... It is said to belong to Jean Paul Ludwig

There is official evidence for SS# 042-68-4425. Just get a FOIA request and see for yourself. It's an official government record that shows Barack Obama using the social security number 042-68-4425.


Which Barak Obama?
2nd




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by yadboy

How come it's always the pro-Obama people that bring up race?


Hang on, I'm about as far from a "pro-Obama" person as one can get, and I'm the one that brought it up here, so, genius, please, tell me how that defines me??


It has been mostly pro-Obama who keep playing the silly race card. It's a pattern I've noticed for several years.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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Oh, I guess you cannot fully back up anything with regard to the OP as you said then.
Maybe there should have been a disclaimer that read something like "unless you call me on it." I know better for next time. I guess you backing up the OP's video only goes as far as proving MrXYZ wrong and not in the matter of the truth. Sorry if I misunderstood.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977

Which Barak Obama?
2nd


Obviously you didn't take the time to watch the video.... SS# 042-68-4425 only links to ONE Obama and some dead french guy.




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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Forgive me. I had no idea I was talking to someone who is ultra-sensitive to exclamation points used to draw attention to certain points or caps of names to draw attention to certain names. I was in no way angry or as you put it hating. The point I was trying to make and prove me wrong; that the overwhelming majority of those who keep pushing the birth certificate issue are the Neo-Cons. I use the term Neo-cons because they are not true Republicans. They are part of the radical right(Neo-Cons) I am sure you have heard the term before.Your just splitting hairs now.
edit on 5/18/2011 by CaptGizmo because: (no reason given)


Point taken, I will conceed that the way your post as written doesn't convey hate in and of itself. But usually when I see a post written in such a way I feel like I'm being beaten over the head with it.


I generally like to stay away from the standard partisan name calling. Neo-con is over used in a lot of forums by some very angry people (same as some unsavory terms for liberals as far as I'm concerned). Usually once people start affixing those types of lables the conversation goes downhill quick. Thank you for clarifing your position and what you meant with the terminology that was used.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by TheUniverse
Nice try sadly you are a individual who tries to skew what i was saying by saying it is a 46 year old conspiracy; when i never said anything about it being a 46 year old conspiracy.


How can it not be a 46 year old conspiracy if neither of his parents stated he was in Kenya? Supposedly his short form birth certificate issued hides the fact he was born in Kenya and clearly states he was born in Honolulu, you're saying his parents didn't know about this either?

For this conspiracy to work, his parents have to be involved, otherwise you're arguing that his parents were clueless about him being born in Kenya.


Didn't you hear...the list of co-conspirators is much longer than that.

The State of Hawaii
The newspapers of Hawaii
Obama's grandparents
The government of Kenya
The Republicans
and finally
The entire United States Government.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The most damning evidence to date that the supposed long form BC released is 100% an absolute forgery. From someone with unique credentials in OCR, type, and document archiving.

A MUST SEE for all.

obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...

Legal proof from someone who really DOES know what they are talking about when it comes to proving the validity of a document like this. And the unrelenting conclusion?

FAKE, FORGED, FRAUD, and CRIMINAL CHARGES to be PURSUED against OBAMA et al!!!!!!!






Forget 'about it... It's over dude. Let it go. What do you think will happen with the "bombshell"? Obama gets empeached? Not gonna happen...





obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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OS, you forgot Oprah... Come on, you know she had to be involved too.




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by yadboy

How come it's always the pro-Obama people that bring up race?


Hang on, I'm about as far from a "pro-Obama" person as one can get, and I'm the one that brought it up here, so, genius, please, tell me how that defines me??


Sorry, there seems to be some confusion, that reply was directed at Outcast Searcher, I quoted his post. Yes, you originally brought it up, but my comment was not directed at you.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by imitator
Obviously you didn't take the time to watch the video.... SS# 042-68-4425 only links to ONE Obama and some dead french guy.


Does this video have information the 23 page thread I already read about this topic not have?
Maybe you should start here.
Obama Birth Certificate Case Heard In 9th Circuit Court

The desperation of trying to spread as much mud as far as possible is way too obvious at this point.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by Chickensalad
Im not going to take the time to explain the 18pgs to you, and nobody else prolly will either.


Because you cannot.
None of you can.

The first thing I learned about ATS is that there is a rabid cabal of "birthers" rampantly posting threads full of youtube videos that none of them can summarize, explain, or put into their own words.

The joke is getting old.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
NO, I am not going to explain it.


Very old.
edit on 17-5-2011 by Runaway1977 because: (no reason given)


Does this mean Obama die hards don't like using their own brain?
Maybe they prefer what is fed to them on the tv news.
If you guys don't like investigating or reading, why are you even here?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977

Does this video have information the 23 page thread I already read about this topic not have?
Maybe you should start here.
Obama Birth Certificate Case Heard In 9th Circuit Court

The desperation of trying to spread as much mud as far as possible is way too obvious at this point.


Is there something specific that your trying to point out? So far you have added nothing.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by WildWorld
I didn't notice the curvature of the page compared to the non curvature of the typed in letters before.
On the link it is listed as the first reason for the document being a fake.
That is very suspicious IMO. Can anyone debunk that??

Thanks for posting this TrueAmerican

edit on 17-5-2011 by WildWorld because: (no reason given)


I know I can't. What I find interesting is this could have been taken care of with just a little time and effort using the clone feature. I have paint shop pro 6, and fixed an award my daughter got milk over the bottom corner. Letters got smeared, and I had to replicate those letters, and take out all the shadows the stain left. What was hard was replicating the teachers signature.

This document would have been a piece of cake compared to that to someone who knows what the heck they are doing. They could have easily copied each letter that needed to be moved, and pasted it down two pixels down to match the rest of the document. The halo effect could have been gotten rid of. Each letter could have been made to look like the rest as far as either having them all clear or just a little fuzzy. If the color is off, that could have been fixed also.

Either the person or people doing this really didn't know how to work with a good photo editor, they didn't have the time or patience to do so, or they purposely left sloppy work for others to find. Maybe they didn't want to forge the birth certificate, but couldn't come out and say anything to anyone. They had to make it look decent to convince the others, but left clues/sloppy work behind hoping someone else would pick up on it.

If I remember correctly, even Mr. Trump claimed the document was forged shortly after Obama presented it. Either Mr. Trump already known that there was no birth certificate, or the forgery was sloppy enough that it didn't take his team long at all to notice what was wrong with it.

Before anyone asks, no I don't have the time or patience to work on even a part of his certificate.



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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Runaway1977
reply to post by derst1988
 


Oh, I guess you cannot fully back up anything with regard to the OP as you said then.
Maybe there should have been a disclaimer that read something like "unless you call me on it." I know better for next time. I guess you backing up the OP's video only goes as far as proving MrXYZ wrong and not in the matter of the truth. Sorry if I misunderstood.


See here you go again, the OP wasnt a video, are you are purposefully not quoting my responses to you to look better, im done with you. If any one truly wants me to scan in a paper with a background and text on it and do OCR or advanced optimization in order to back up what the person in the OP's LINK ( read: not video) I will tomorrow, for now it is time to finnish my real graphic work for the day and go home.

Matter of the truth? I am simply stating the truth that this, as a professional graphic designer, has been experienced by me. So now your asking me to go out of my way and make something that anti-birthers wont believe i did correctly anyway. Matter of fact, people just do as this guy states and read that other thread. Here is not the area for discussion if anyone has asked the questions before. And for what its worth, by the words "back up" in context it meant "i can attest to the truth of the statements about it not being OCR".

PS: Op's Video......????? shows how much you pay attention (once again it was a LINK to a written report, you are discredited to me, and I will no longer respond to you.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
This bit seems interesting...


Obama Long Form Birth Certificate PDF Forged! Draft Registration Forged & Back Dated to 1980! Obama is Using Someone Else’s CT SSN! Why Isn’t Congress and FBI Investigating?

Federal Lawsuit* Accuses Putative President Obama is Fraudulently using a Social Security Number which is Legally Not His and which was Issued only to Residents of the State of Connecticut, a State where Obama Never Legally Resided and Certainly Not During the Time Frame that SSN was Issued!

042-XX-XXXX*

This Social Security number is reserved for the people of Connecticut NOT Hawaii. Obama never lived in Connecticut, and he certainly wasn’t living there when this number was issued in 1977, rather he was a 15 year old attending High School in Hawaii.

More interesting is 042-XX-XXXX has been reported as associated with another individual born in 1890.When you die, the number dies with you and should not still be being used in 2008.


President Obama has used 042-XX-XXXX since the 1980s when he “supposedly” applied for Selective Service, but Social Security Administration now says the number was never issued.




edit on 17-5-2011 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)


What????

Social Security didn't exist until 1936. What's this 1890 rubbish?

Edit: Oh I see, he would have been 46 in 1936, so he could have been issued the number any time between 1936 and his death.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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alots of obamas defenders i see the double standard here, who are defending obama

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
I know I can't. What I find interesting is this could have been taken care of with just a little time and effort using the clone feature.

This document would have been a piece of cake compared to that to someone who knows what the heck they are doing.

Either the person or people doing this really didn't know how to work with a good photo editor, they didn't have the time or patience to do so, or they purposely left sloppy work for others to find. Maybe they didn't want to forge the birth certificate, but couldn't come out and say anything to anyone. They had to make it look decent to convince the others, but left clues/sloppy work behind hoping someone else would pick up on it.


Have you considered the obviousness of the truth?
They made it look like *snip* on purpose in order to fool the uneducated masses that plague this planet.

They knew only intelligent people with a discernible eye would be able to tell.
They knew that when people voice their dissent concerning Obama: they would be labeled as:

-racist
-unAmerican
-Domestic Terrorists and whatever "people" call the few who see through the bull -#e....


It's a slap in the face of every American.
What's worse is that all of my peers don't seem to give a *snip* regarding this FRAUD, citing
their lineage, and family ancestry as a reason to blatantly LIE under oath and attestation as to what
he was believed to be: a natural born American. =Which he is CLEARLY NOT.

America IS *snip*.



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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by derst1988
And for what its worth, by the words "back up" in context it meant "i can attest to the truth of the statements about it not being OCR".


I can also attest to the truth of that.
I tried several different ways using different scanners and software to try and reproduce the same anommallies but was unsuccesfull.

Just think about this for a moment. To reproduce the same anommallies in a document, would take quite a bit of work.
The document is meant to be a scanned image from the hospital.
To intentionally reproduce the same effects would take more than hour to do. Is anyone from the hospital going to do this when all that was required was a copy of a document?




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