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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Yeah cause they didn't try to oust McCain....(insert sarcasm) the race card gets so old when it isn't even played right...

Jaden




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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I am a graphic artist myself with 16 years experience, first of all offical documents like birth certificates when scanned are flat and do not have editable layers. when you open obamas birth certificate in adobe illustatorat it has almost 20 diffrent editable layers. this document was forged but the qaulity of the forgery is terrible. i would expect more from cia or a graphic forensic lab. the original document that was flotting around the web before this and which was used to make the forgery (his real birth certicate indeed says he was born in kenya) NOW WHY IS THIS MAN STILL IN OFFICE? BECAUSE PSY-OPS LIKE THIS ARE DESIGNED TO SOFTEN US TO THE IDEA OF ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. IT S NO LONGER ABOUT THE LAWS OF AMERIKA BUT ABOUT THE LAWS OF THE UNITED NATIONS OBAMA IS A PUPPET FOR SHADOW NWO ONE WORLD NEO-FASCIST GOVERNMENT.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Those other countries didn't have as a fundamental part of their core governing document a requirement to NOT be foreign born or have no possibility of allegiance to another country....

Jaden



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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I really wish someone would read and respond to the article written by The Post and Email at www.thepostemail.com...

Susan Daniels goes into details that I have not seen here on ATS.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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do you actually believe your own hype? it has nothing to do with race at all.
it has to do with his shady hidden past that raises questions about his citizenship. after all this is the highest office in the country, it should be occupied by an actual American who has the best interest for the country

certain items such as:
- traveling to pakistan when no US citizen was allowed to go, (unless he was a dual citizen),
- getting his college education funded by a Saudi Arabian, (very strange indeed)
- claims transparency yet spend millions to hide his past and seal all his records
- the fact that no one can remember him from occidental college or harvard
- becoming president with no executive experience

You are obviously a shill just replaying the race card and can't accept the fact your man put out a phony birth certificate.
i have no problem with a black man occupying the white house at all, I would have voted for Alan Keyes or a few other qualified politicians in a heartbeat.

Stop being a shill and stop playing the race card. its getting old really




Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie



Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
What is really scary here, even more than the potential for fraud, is the fact that if Obama was 100% white, and had a name that didn't sound Muslim, no one would have EVER even asked to see his birth certificate.



No cards, it's just a plain and simple truth.

Seems the kind of truth most are opposed to here.

By the way, I could care less either way....

edit on 18-5-2011 by wakeUpOrDie because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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So wait...your "proof" is a random blog post? Really?


Just fyi, not everything you read on the Internet is true



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by yadboy

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Set aside the left vs. right, the black vs. white.....are you serious? It is the RIGHT WING NEO_CONS...or the so called Tea Party that have created the whole left vs. right and the black vs. white thing! They are the only ones who refuse to let this BS go once and for all.It wont matter what Obama provides as proof....they won't accept anything as the truth!! Get over it already! The BLOG is based only on one Neo-Cons opinion with no proof what so ever..and yes I looked and read the info. It is all BS and baseless info. For Gods sake this guy references FOX news and the World Nut Daily as links for proof. Really!! The problem is the overwhelming majority in this country don't follow the NEO-Cons assessment of the BS birth certificate. It is very sad to see people hold on to this sad issue that was really started and furthered by FOX news which is an oxymoron in it self.


Wow, I thought my post was pretty even keeled but you found a way to attack. With an attitude like that you could never look at the document and see it for what it is. You have to set aside you're blind hatred for anyone who's opinion differs from yours. Look at the document itself. Don't worry about the "birthers", "neo-cons", Fox News or World "Nut" Daily. Deal with the document, it doesn't hold up to even minor scrutiny.

Let the hate go, it's tearing this world apart.


How in the world did you infer hate from my post! I had nothing hate driven in that post at all. I simply have a different opinion on this and am pointing out to YOU specifically who used the left vs. right and black vs. white reference. You did that not me. Why do you claim I am hating? because I differ in opinion? or is it because I used the acronym BS? just curious.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Because its not fact?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by yadboy
Then why did McCain have to produce his.
When did McCain produced his birth certificate? And to whom did he show it?

Thanks.


edit on 18-5-2011 by aptness because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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You can't be a good graphic designer...or maybe you're just not up to date on scanning software and Illustrator.


Illustrator automatically generates layers to make editing easier (or what it perceives to make it easier...two different things, lol). PDFs can have layers too if you save it a certain way.

But who cares about facts, right?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Did you try searching for Susan Daniels? The results might surprise you.

thread

Here is a 21 page thread that started without you on that. There are others. Best to pool your resources and revive them then to start over fresh in the middle of a different topic, don't you think?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
This bit seems interesting...


Obama Long Form Birth Certificate PDF Forged! Draft Registration Forged & Back Dated to 1980! Obama is Using Someone Else’s CT SSN! Why Isn’t Congress and FBI Investigating?

Federal Lawsuit* Accuses Putative President Obama is Fraudulently using a Social Security Number which is Legally Not His and which was Issued only to Residents of the State of Connecticut, a State where Obama Never Legally Resided and Certainly Not During the Time Frame that SSN was Issued!

042-XX-XXXX*

This Social Security number is reserved for the people of Connecticut NOT Hawaii. Obama never lived in Connecticut, and he certainly wasn’t living there when this number was issued in 1977, rather he was a 15 year old attending High School in Hawaii.

More interesting is 042-XX-XXXX has been reported as associated with another individual born in 1890.When you die, the number dies with you and should not still be being used in 2008.


President Obama has used 042-XX-XXXX since the 1980s when he “supposedly” applied for Selective Service, but Social Security Administration now says the number was never issued.




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Guys, dont gloss over this. We are paying way to much attention to the BC. Does this hold ANY water?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Oh, you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a damn eh?

I am not an Obama supporter, in fact my posting history will show that I am among his harshest critics, I don't like where we are headed as a nation, the debt, and it seems everything this administration has done was all wrong, almost seems intentionally destructive.... There has been no change, only more of the same corruption that drives the government. That said... On the birth issues, I call it the way I see it, just like everything I have an opinion on.

There would be no public outcry, no demands to see the evidence, etc if he was as I said.

Obama has many issues to attack, more than enough, but people always fall back on this birth issue.

WHY?

Don't answer that, I already have, and already know why.

It is as certain as the fact that he has been a crappy president.



edit on 18-5-2011 by Fractured.Facade because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by userid1

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by alphabetaone
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So again, one has to ask the question:

They can spend millions upon millions of dollars in this (alleged) cover-up, and they make a $400 dollar error by not hiring someone from ATS who knew their way around Adobe Photoshop to get it right?

Is this what the believers of this conspiracy would have everyone believe?


Not Me. *I* think They thought no One would take it apart the way We have. Or at least that They could control any situation where someOne did so. Maybe send shills out to places like ATS to suggest that people who see the issues are crazy...


Huh? After all the scrutiny of the short form you really believe that was the thinking around the Obama campfire? Stay away from deductive reasoning - it's baaaaaaad for ya....


Yes. I think They had that kind of hubris. They knew mostly it would fly. No One would take the conspiracy aware seriously, and the shills could run damage control.

Yes, I do think They delight in all the crap They feed Us that so many gobble up. They get a chuckle getting people to blindly believe even - or especially - when it's clear it's BS.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
So... I'm looking more at the differences between the two shown here:

www.scribd.com...


So, you're seeing a difference in the two BCs and assuming that because there is a difference, that Obama's is fake? Is that correct?

It's clear to me that the person who typed Obama's certificate liked to center the text in the form box. The person who typed the other one did some of that, too (look at every space) but they also left-justified some of the text.

This sounds just like some of the crazy assumptions you guys make...



Oh. It's a forgery, alright.





posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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Let's start off with everything wrong with your post, that ends up with a culmination and comedy of errors.



Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
I am a graphic artist myself with 16 years experience,


For all we know...


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
first of all offical documents like birth certificates when scanned are flat and do not have editable layers.


Any image at all can have editable layers. As long as the format supports them,


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave

when you open obamas birth certificate in adobe illustatorat it has almost 20 diffrent editable layers.


As I just said above....


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
this document was forged but the qaulity of the forgery is terrible.


So, in all your alleged 16 years of experience, the only thing you learned, is to make baseless accusations, but to selectively forget about the inner workings of bitmapped image properties? Amazing...


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
i would expect more from cia or a graphic forensic lab.


So would I considering their technological capability far surpasses anything you will ever be able to comprehend....this should probably tell you something...


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
the original document that was flotting around the web before this and which was used to make the forgery (his real birth certicate indeed says he was born in kenya)


So let me get this straight, the Hawaii state department had every opportunity and means at their disposal (considering the breadth of this conspiracy as you claim) to use decent materials to make a convincing forgery, but instead, they opted for a document they found on the internets? That's a GREAT GREAT argument for this conspiracy, I'm convinced.


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
NOW WHY IS THIS MAN STILL IN OFFICE?


Because he was elected into office and the next election isn't until 2012.


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
BECAUSE PSY-OPS LIKE THIS


Psyops? Do you even know what the term means? This is not a psyop, a psyop doesn't require physical manifestation of evidence LOL
where do you people come from.


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave

IT S NO LONGER ABOUT THE LAWS OF AMERIKA


If you're going to denigrate our country and our elected officials, please at least get the spelling of our country correct.


Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
OBAMA IS A PUPPET FOR SHADOW NWO ONE WORLD NEO-FASCIST GOVERNMENT.


Of course he is
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
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Because its not fact?


huh ???

No, there are all kinds of reason to believe the BC is fake. From testimony from people who saw original doc (one reporter he even tweeted a SEAL they saw, not in latest doc) ... to a NUMBER of anomalies, not just one ... to even the sig of the doc (there were reports of another doc long before)

So, the reason to stay ON the case, is to find out if it IS fake. And if we are able to prove such a thing, we can use it to help wake up the sheep.

If we're able to prove it's real, that's warranted too.

Any time you help people not trust media or government you are helping the overall cause. This is the big picture. One story at a time guys...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by portal2012aliensrave
I am a graphic artist myself with 16 years experience


If that were true, I'd think you'd know that optimizing a file actually does create layers... as has been proven here on ATS. Gosh, I don't think I'm going to believe your claim...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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The Obama records which have not been released include;

Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records........


Aren't some of these documents available in public record?

Anyone care to post links to or copies of or any other evidence of their existence?

-Alien



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by coop039
Guys, dont gloss over this. We are paying way to much attention to the BC. Does this hold ANY water?
I have already responded to your post a while ago. Others have responded to you as well.

You need to read the last pages of the thread, or preferably, check the replies in your messages.



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