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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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I think that even if the birth certificate was proven to be a fraud and that it was established that Obama could not prove he was a "Natural Born" citizen, that in the end, it wouldn't really matter to those who voted for him or who now support him.
I think that is why they really don't care about this issue. My wife is in that camp. She doesn't think the "Natural Born" requirement is that big an issue and she couldn't care less where Obama was born. All she cares about is that she likes him, believes that health care should be free, and hates Bush & Cheney.

So, while I have grave doubts about Obama's being a "Natural Born" citizen, I don't see this issue ever resulting in impeachment. And in the unlikely event that he was impeached and found guilty of fraud, he would just be pardoned by the next president.

So as much as I would like to see Obama exposed and forced to admit his lies, I don't think it will ever happen.




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Start a thread on it then! Stop trying to derail this one. Unless you have something to add, on the topic of the OP, I am finished with you in this thread. Have a nice day.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
How many more ways can a document be shown to be false?


This is not a DOCUMENT, sweetheart. Don't you know that this is a PICTURE of a computer file? Do you know how that works? Apparently not.

Notice that the following is NOT an actual flower. It's a PICTURE of a flower. As it is, it contains anomalies that make it so that you KNOW it's not an actual flower, but a picture of one. If I scanned this picture and converted that file using advanced software, it would contain even MORE anomalies.



If you touch your screen right now, you won't feel the prick of the cactus needles because it's a PICTURE, digitally displayed on your screen NOT the actual thing. Hope that helps.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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I'm voting for Obama.. Not because I believe in most of his policies..but because of what he faces... [Racism,bigotry, etc]

I wouldn't vote for someone just because other people were mean to him.

I would vote to re-elect a politician if they were proven to be a leader in their first term in office, or in another previously held seat.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by ammocase
 


Start a thread on it then! Stop trying to derail this one. Unless you have something to add, on the topic of the OP, I am finished with you in this thread. Have a nice day.


Have you read the other posts? Do you realize everyone is saying the same thing? I am not alone with my posts so quit the selective reading and singling out. Stop claiming I am derailing anything.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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reply to post by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Obama is not president, and all He has signed and done in office is null and void.
The Constitution disagrees with you. “The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President.” 12th Amendment

Your claims that everything Obama “has signed and done in office is null and void” is completely unsupported in US jurisprudence.

reply to post by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Impeachment is for Those legally elected.
Wrong, yet again. Impeachment is for an office holder.

Your proposition that it’s just for “those legally” elected is absurd and contrary to the premise of the impeachment process itself. If one was stupid enough to buy your interpretation, someone illegally holding office could not be impeached.

You’ve just rendered useless the only tool available to the American people to forcefully remove a sitting President before his mandate is over. But wait, there’s more. What if a sitting President refused to leave office when his term is over? He’d be illegally in office, and according to you he couldn’t be impeached.

You’re a genius.

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Originally posted by Amaterasu
The law is the law - except where it's convenient to ignore it.
And you seem to ignore it every time you open your mouth to comment on it.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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Ha, anyone who's spent more than a week on ATS knows this site is FILLED with spammer/shills/auto bots. And they always debunk the good theories, while sometimes spreading crazy, unsubstantiated ones to distract


Yup, you nailed it, everyone in ATS, and actually, everyone in the world that doesn't agree with your theory immediately is obviously a paid shill and bot, yup, that seems like a plausible answer. Yup, it doesn't matter that the "evidence" presented in this thread (somewhere) is the same tired old "evidence" already posted and discussed in many, too many threads. It doesn't matter that people directly point and specific claims and debunk them thoroughly, we're simply ignoring the "evidence". yes, that same evidence everyone points to, but no one understands, or pays attention when it is shown to be incorrect.

Yup, the most plausible explanation isn't that you are wrong and we have proven it on many occasions. Nope, the only logical answer is everyone but YOU is a paid agent and shill or a bot. That is surely not a sign of a paranoid psychosis, no sir, and it would be rude of me to point that out.

And for the record, there could indeed be something wrong with Obama's eligibility, not 1 birther has provided anything of substance other than regurgitate claims that have already been debunked.

Seriously, all of you need to stop bickering, both sides, and if you only retain 1 fact from all of these threads, let it be this:

You can NOT determine the validity of a paper document based on an analysis of a DIGITAL REPRESENTATION.

You can't, anyone who has done ANY graphic work would know this, anyone claiming to have any document analysis background would also know this.

Not one single claim (that hasn't been debunked) provides any evidence other that issues with a DIGITAL copy of a paper document.

Your entire argument hinges of a FLAWED approach. And, as is evidenced in this thread and your reactions there in, you already know this and have already resorted to personal attacks, bickering, and essentially spamming known BS all over this site.

Why read 18 pages when it's completely based on a flawed analysis of a DIGITAL COPY of a paper document. Every discrepancy has been explained, leaving you with NOTHING. NOTHING.

but hey, that's just the opinion of a government paid disinfo shill autobot right?

I anxiously await the impending court trial of the president based on your "irrefutable proof" against him.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by DuceizBack
 



I'm voting for Obama.. Not because I believe in most of his policies..but because of what he faces... [Racism,bigotry, etc]

I wouldn't vote for someone just because other people were mean to him.

I would vote to re-elect a politician if they were proven to be a leader in their first term in office, or in another previously held seat.




I was joking.
But I definitely discourage minorities from voting.
As no politician will ever be ever to truly represent us.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by DarylHamblett
Why can't I just eat my waffle?


Because the only acceptable waffle is the original EGGO. Waffle house waffles just don't cut it!


Have you ever had a Waffle House waffle? How could you dare place an Eggo within the same category, let alone on a higher pedestal?

That being said; I've said this once and I'll say it again:

It does not matter if Obama is from Mars. He is still a hand-puppet for Bilderberg,

...just like Bush before him and all the rest of the Muppets before him. Go ahead and impeach the guy. The next puppet will be in office. Different face.... same hand up his ass.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Open your eyes man, this is a class war, not a race war. There are rich black and spanish people in on it too. Us struggling poor people of all races are in the same boat. The poor get spit on, doesn't matter what their race is.

Until everyone realizes this, nothing will ever change for the better.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Helmkat
If Birthers really believed this in their hearts they need to walk the walk.

Take your evidence to the authorities.

The fame you amass will more then offset any costs.

Oh yes I see, TPTB will stop you.

Very clever.


Nothing "clever" about the facts.

So... Who do You propose this info be taken to? The only ones, really, are...TPTB. And They will smile and say, "Good job," pat One on the back and say, "Thanks. The door is that way." And then do nothing.


As I predicted.

See how easy that was.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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reply to post by DuceizBack
 
I am sorry, I didn't understand where you were coming from.




But I definitely discourage minorities from voting.

Ideally, I think that this is a bad idea, but I understand (as a minority) what you mean.




As no politician will ever be ever to truly represent us.


This statement is true for 99% of the population, IMO.

@ Mactire:




Have you ever had a Waffle House waffle? How could you dare place an Eggo within the same category, let alone on a higher pedestal?

I could eat a poorly made buckwheat cake and get much more enjoyment than from the best waffle.


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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Oh, go away.

Several legal challenges have already been bought against Obama over this. They have all been thrown out of court.

It doesn't matter what proof is provided, birthers won't believe any of it, and whatever documents are provided will be "fakes" etc in their eyes.

Here's something for all you birthers. Donald Trump announced to the world that his "team of investigators in Hawaii were finding stuff you wouldn't believe about Obama", and since then they have conveniently been forgotten, and none of the "stuff they found that you wouldn't believe" has been released. If it was truly that groundbreaking, or if they had even have gone there in the first place, the info would have been released by The Donald who certainly isn't media shy.

If a guy with $Billions can't find anything, good luck to you, Sir.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
This is not a DOCUMENT, sweetheart. Do you know how that works?


The question, BH...is DO YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS??? Are you some type of expert in document processing, OCR, graphics design or other? NO! So stop acting like you're an expert any more than anyone else. The fact is you're spewing the same nonsense you have read as FACT when you haven't taken the time to research it yourself or proven it as so. Whether it's a digitally scanned image or not, the fact is that it WAS ORIGINALLY a document...one that has been heavily tampered with, I might add.

I'm so sick of you offering nothing but rebuttals with no aspect of truth to them. You're only here to collect stars with your Pro-Obama, blind following the blind BS.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by DuceizBack

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by DuceizBack
 



I'm voting for Obama.. Not because I believe in most of his policies..but because of what he faces... [Racism,bigotry, etc]

I wouldn't vote for someone just because other people were mean to him.

I would vote to re-elect a politician if they were proven to be a leader in their first term in office, or in another previously held seat.




I was joking.
But I definitely discourage minorities from voting.
As no politician will ever be ever to truly represent us.




You definitely discourage minorities from voting? *snip* Although it's not a requirement in most countries, citizens of many countries, including the USA, have a DUTY to go out and vote. I would encourage ANYONE eligible to vote to go out and do so, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or anything else.

Of course, if you chose NOT to vote (and in the USA this is still your choice), don't complain about ANYTHING that the Government does, at any time, for any reason. If you're eligible to vote and decide not to participate, then you have really given up your right to complain about how things are done.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by ufoinquirer
 





Ha, anyone who's spent more than a week on ATS knows this site is FILLED with spammer/shills/auto bots. And they always debunk the good theories, while sometimes spreading crazy, unsubstantiated ones to distract


Yup, you nailed it, everyone in ATS, and actually, everyone in the world that doesn't agree with your theory immediately is obviously a paid shill and bot, yup, that seems like a plausible answer. Yup, it doesn't matter that the "evidence" presented in this thread (somewhere) is the same tired old "evidence" already posted and discussed in many, too many threads. It doesn't matter that people directly point and specific claims and debunk them thoroughly, we're simply ignoring the "evidence". yes, that same evidence everyone points to, but no one understands, or pays attention when it is shown to be incorrect.

Yup, the most plausible explanation isn't that you are wrong and we have proven it on many occasions. Nope, the only logical answer is everyone but YOU is a paid agent and shill or a bot. That is surely not a sign of a paranoid psychosis, no sir, and it would be rude of me to point that out.

And for the record, there could indeed be something wrong with Obama's eligibility, not 1 birther has provided anything of substance other than regurgitate claims that have already been debunked.

Seriously, all of you need to stop bickering, both sides, and if you only retain 1 fact from all of these threads, let it be this:

You can NOT determine the validity of a paper document based on an analysis of a DIGITAL REPRESENTATION.

You can't, anyone who has done ANY graphic work would know this, anyone claiming to have any document analysis background would also know this.

Not one single claim (that hasn't been debunked) provides any evidence other that issues with a DIGITAL copy of a paper document.

Your entire argument hinges of a FLAWED approach. And, as is evidenced in this thread and your reactions there in, you already know this and have already resorted to personal attacks, bickering, and essentially spamming known BS all over this site.

Why read 18 pages when it's completely based on a flawed analysis of a DIGITAL COPY of a paper document. Every discrepancy has been explained, leaving you with NOTHING. NOTHING.

but hey, that's just the opinion of a government paid disinfo shill autobot right?

I anxiously await the impending court trial of the president based on your "irrefutable proof" against him.


That is a load of nonsense.

First off, I didn't say anyone who disagrees with a theory is a shill.

I said the shills ONLY ever disagree with theories.

And I did offer clear and evident proof that this site in particular is FILLED with auto bots who have "auto responses" to different conspiracy topics - debunking them! I shared the thread taht proved this, but you will actually see the same "auto responses" show up again and again, never providing new info or directly relating to comments. It's very obvious after you see it for a while.

By debunking all theories, it spreads confusion. Sometimes theories are right soemtimes they're not



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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American the beautiful isnt America the smart.

You push something, with or without evidence, it will get a following.

Its the spark they want so the less-intelligent can run with it. The damage is already done, true or not, and they succeeded in their mission, which was their agenda all along.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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You don't think that the previously pro-Obama Trump was just a part of a sideshow to give his re-election campaign some steam?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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Hey, TA. First of all, I completely understand where you are coming from on this. When I first found out about these 'anomalies' I was in total awe that it wasn't all over the news and couldn't believe the white house released such an obvious forgery. Then I started to believe what everyone was saying that the OBL fiasco was just a way to get the attention of the obviously hoaxed birth certificate.

I even u2u'd a mod with the tone of 'OMG! Have you seen this? This is insane! I'm going to start a thread about all the discrepancies. LOOK at how obviously fake this is!'

You can even see my excitement starting out in this thread that it was indeed 'proof' the LFBC was fake:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I was convinced it was a fake due to all the reasons shown. However, upon duplicating the process (that you can see later in that thread), we were able to replicate all of the anomalies this researcher mentions (the different colored texts, altered lettering, pixelated text vs. non pixelated text. Etc.

The only thing I didn't understand was the font style from a typewriter (I'm still unsure about that one).

So I certainly understand your fervor over this. But after looking into it myself, this man's claims were debunked.

Not sure if the BC is real or not. But I do believe it is not a hoax based on the evidence stated.

And I don't understand his point about having a BC with footprints? Even his examples he provides like with the microfilmed BC and Donald Trump's release of his BC doesn't have that. Also, those are not necessarily official. For instance, when I went to work with the airlines, we had to provide a state issued copy of our BC and they stated not the one with our little footprints. So I am not sure what this man is asking by requesting this? All the fuss was over providing the 'long form' which is what was released.

Can you clarify that point because I am missing the reasons he is talking about the footprint BC.




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