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Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


From everything I have been reading, I'm still on the fence. I'm not a birther, but part of me is slowly starting to wonder if Stanley Dunham had her baby boy in Kenya.

Lies can be fabricated and told again and again until it is believed as truth. Papers can be falsified. Let's just say he was born in Kenya.... someone out there truly wanted this man to be president, and they made it so.

I think people are terrified of the truth. And I think once we drop the "You're a racist because you don't want a black man as president", the truth will become very very clear.




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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Agreed the atrocities and lies that have deceived us for many years are being carried out and we many (the vast majority) Don't notice them Because; the entertainment industry seems to be more important to People these days then actual real subjects.

Also the MSM is spreading propoganda like no tomorrow. Claiming Birthers as automatic Racists. When we should have a right to question his eligibility when it took him so long to release a Long Form and it has many signs of being a Forgery.
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by Aisling
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


From everything I have been reading, I'm still on the fence. I'm not a birther, but part of me is slowly starting to wonder if Stanley Dunham had her baby boy in Kenya.

Lies can be fabricated and told again and again until it is believed as truth. Papers can be falsified. Let's just say he was born in Kenya.... someone out there truly wanted this man to be president, and they made it so.

I think people are terrified of the truth. And I think once we drop the "You're a racist because you don't want a black man as president", the truth will become very very clear.




Maybe this is also related




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Helmkat
If Birthers really believed this in their hearts they need to walk the walk.

Take your evidence to the authorities.

The fame you amass will more then offset any costs.

Oh yes I see, TPTB will stop you.

Very clever.


Nothing "clever" about the facts.

So... Who do You propose this info be taken to? The only ones, really, are...TPTB. And They will smile and say, "Good job," pat One on the back and say, "Thanks. The door is that way." And then do nothing.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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Who cares about Obama's BC. Half of the community that chase this have an agenda to make the non-white president look bad. If you arent white you will be investigated thoroughly since you dont play up the typical white in the white house. This goes hand and hand with blaming Obama for the economy.

You had a president lie to its people about WMD in Iraq, closely following the war with Taliban/invasion of Afghanistan, and make huge profits off of it all. The economy collapses whle their personal economy soars!

This same president won under very strange circumstances. With the voting pools somehow tallying votes from DEAD PEOPLE! They had to do a recount, and even then the recount was under very strange circumstances.

These two above should continue to be discussed forever, this is pure treason.

You have presidents pardoning really powerful criminals during their term and no one bothers to research who they pardon, and where the connection comes from.

How about looking up what presidents do when their term ends? How they end up in CEO positions for the companies they passed bills for.

How about looking up the sponsors that represent these canidates campaign funding and checking what they get in return?

We have republicans still crying over Obama's voting records, and white supremacists in fear that their dream of a racial divide is falling before their eyes. It's no wonder they hang so tight onto any "difference" to make it bigger than it is.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:34 AM
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Or you will be jailed like this man

conservativebyte.com...

www.youtube.com...

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CNN News about it
www.youtube.com...

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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Bush is scum, should be in jail, same with obama. Stop deflecting the blame obama should shoulder to focus on bush. Also stop this crap of trying to paint anyone that questions obama's legitimacy as a racist. The race card is worn out already, it is not going to work in the election. Shouldn't have used it so much during the first two years...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by ammocase
 


Bush is scum, should be in jail, same with obama. Stop deflecting the blame obama should shoulder to focus on bush. Also stop this crap of trying to paint anyone that questions obama's legitimacy as a racist. The race card is worn out already, it is not going to work in the election. Shouldn't have used it so much during the first two years...


Actually, its in reverse. Once Obama became president, everything about Bush was forgotton by the general public. There are many that think Obama is the reason why the economy is messed up, and why we are still in Iraq. People attempt to attack his character before his policies, because the smarter community still remembers how the state of the govt was before he stepped in. If it wasnt about him not being an American, then its about him being a MUSLIM. Its a freaking trend that is getting old and obvious.

There is more news coverage on his BC and posts than Bush's WMD BS and the voting fiasco.

And it would be hilarious not to think the racist community arent joining the bandwagon on "Obama is not an American" and Obama "Is a Muslim". Obama bows to the saudi king and hes considered a muslim spy, yet Bush did the same to the Saudi royalty, and has ties with them, and its all candy and roses (actually, Bush's bow was deeper and more obvious, way more obvious than Obama's). But we stick to Obama... riiiiiiiight



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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They didn't get rid of bush but now they want to get rid of Obama?
Smh.




It will be centuries before another person of color gets elected in this ass backwards country because people only think you're american if you're white.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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*sigh*
Grow up, stop trying to derail the thread. A lot of bush's woes were directly tied to clinton as well. Clinton sucks, bush sucks. They are no longer president, so it is moot at this point. Obama kept right on going where bush left off, he started his own wars, and keeps the wars already started going. He is a liar, a fraud and a traitor.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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You know after this no minority or any person of color is going to have a chance to be president.
Some times I hate this country.
No wonder minorities and blacks voted for Obama by the ton, because it was a one time deal, and there would never be another chance of it happening in the next fifty years.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by DarylHamblett
Why can't I just eat my waffle?


Because the only acceptable waffle is the original EGGO. Waffle house waffles just don't cut it!
I believe that if one applies enough chicken gravy, the waffle loses all significance and may be other-than-Eggo with no ill effects.

Who is this Obama character? Didn't the SEALS kill him for trying to don a suicide vest when they woke him up from a sound sleep?



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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The Best Document Expert in the World cannot verify a jpg file as legit or fake!



This guy is a liar. Plain and simple. If he was an expert he would know that he's dealing with a computer FILE, and not an actual document.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The most damning evidence to date that the supposed long form BC released is 100% an absolute forgery.


What else can I say. All the stuff this guy claims has already been debunked. HERE on ATS!
There is nothing new here. This is the same old crap that people have been claiming since Obama released his long form...

First of all, this so-called "expert" is working with a file that came from scanning a document. This file has been converted and software has been applied. These anomalies appear on AMY document treated in the same manner.

If anyone is REALLY interested in the truth (that is, NOT birthers) you can find the anomalies that this supposed "expert" sees debunked here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Notice Ashley gets 2 stars for debunking this and stating the TRUTH, but the OP here gets all the flags and stars he's after for promoting a lie... :shk:



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Where do you stand on the waffle issue, my dear?

If you stated it already, I am not to reading 15 pages of Obama vs Birther rehash to find out.




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Don't be sidetracked. Don't be swayed by agents posing as ATS members
Since I’m a relatively patient guy I’m willing to give you a couple of hours to present evidence to support the accusation you just made.

If you don’t back up this serious accusation, or admit your accusation is baseless and take it back, I will then report your post. This is not the first time you make this sort of baseless accusation.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Don't be sidetracked. Don't be swayed by agents posing as ATS members
Since I’m a relatively patient guy I’m willing to give you a couple of hours to present evidence to support the accusation you just made.

If you don’t back up this serious accusation, or admit your accusation is baseless and take it back, I will then report your post. This is not the first time you make this sort of baseless accusation.


Ha, anyone who's spent more than a week on ATS knows this site is FILLED with spammer/shills/auto bots. And they always debunk the good theories, while sometimes spreading crazy, unsubstantiated ones to distract (happens on G L P, too).

PROOF

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by ammocase
 


*sigh*
Grow up, stop trying to derail the thread. A lot of bush's woes were directly tied to clinton as well. Clinton sucks, bush sucks. They are no longer president, so it is moot at this point. Obama kept right on going where bush left off, he started his own wars, and keeps the wars already started going. He is a liar, a fraud and a traitor.


I dont need to grow up, I am not acting immature or spewing hatred for that comment. I am replying to this thread, if I disagree or not.

Using comments like "grow up" shows that you dont have the means to properly respond. How about you look up which party or group of people made up most of the debt in America. Look up who got the most involved in the middle east.

I guess we can ignore the suspicious way a president get's voted to office, and his actual lies that can be tracked by the media, and the monetary investments that were gained afterwards. Let's focus on BC, crackpots claiming he's muslim, on his father, man they even said he was racist toward white people, LOL! What more is left? Maybe hes a socialist, no... they did that angle too. They cant use drugs, because Bush is actually documented and he had the whole media on that one... Not sure what else they will throw out to make Obama less american.

But hey, I dont have to post to yours directly since you arent. I can just say to "grow up", Bush was the biggest fraud and liar, and he was staring at us right in the face. There is no speculations like Obama, there isnt some agenda, these presidents bad-apples were on the center stage, recorded and documented for everyone to see.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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I just provided that evidence. Your posting history speaks for itself, whether you report my post or not. Let the readers see it and decide for themselves. It is clear you are here for one thing, and one thing only. I hope it pays well.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
What is with the colors? What's the point?


Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
When you get installed as president there is a route to take in terms of bureaucracy. So the BC is always shown by every president.


You are clearly clueless about the history of presidential eligibility in this country. No other american president has presented their long form birth certificate as a requirement for the presidency, no president has done so period. The only president that I am aware of who has his birth certificate is that of Reagan, which is a short form he presented after his presidency, registered when he was 31 years old, unauthenticated, sitting at the museum.

Obama is the only president to date who has presented their long form birth certificate to the public. No other president has, nobody can account for any other president.


If Obama could have shown the original one from the start, then he wouldn't have this negative echo


So now you're blaming him for releasing it too late? After years of howling about why he doesn't just release it, he releases it, and you aren't satisfied, and now here you are debating against it's authenticity. But it's his fault?


In my eye Obama has created ground for people to ask questions. Being black


Yep, there we go. Like I said, you know what your own personal issues are about Barack Obama, you know where you stand. Don't talk to me about how you supposedly feel regarding racism. You have your personal issues, no need to convince me any other way.


My interest is living in an honoust world. Obama has duck away from this matter all the time. BC matter is way blown out of proportion. But who's to blame for this.Obama himself.


You're blaming Obama for something you believe in and tout. You refuse to believe Hawaiian health officials and federal officials, and you blame Obama for this because? Obama must do something to make you personally change your mind right? What a high horse you sit on.
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Agreed..

I'm voting for Obama..
Not because I believe in most of his policies..but because of what he faces...

[Racism,bigotry, etc]

Nobody attacked bush and asked him where he was from, even when he acting against American Interest.
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