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Is it fair to fine fat people for not dieting?

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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by FanarFanar

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Tax your Twinkies and you get a bit cranky, eh? Like the smokers who have to pay high taxes on their vices, you'll get over it.


No... I'm cranky because of muppets like you, that think the obesity is somehow a lifestyle choice. Do you really think that people who are obese wake up one day and say, "Hey... You know what? I want to be fat... I want health problems... I want to be mocked and ridiculed on a daily basis". The majority of people who are overnight, are overweight because of socio-economic reasons. Not because they chose to be.

It's not coincidence that the rise in obesity levels correlates with the rise in the food price index. Just google the term correlations between food prices and obesity. There are a ton of papers and articles about it.

FTR (Not that it matters): I'm 5'11 and about 170lbs. So I'm not just another one of those "fatties" whining about expensive Twinkies.



Then perhaps you should actually read my posts in this thread. I have fully acknowledged that there are people predisposed to weight problems and the Twinkie manufacturers are at least partly at fault for perpetuating and augmenting the problem.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Or maybe because there are people that are pre-disposed to having or gaining extra weight? Or perhaps there are people whose bodies react to food additives or find irresistible those foods that are designed by their manufacturers to be irresistible so they are compelled to consume more??


or this post where I acknowledge the problems you mention and give a link to another thread I posted addressing food additives that make people crave to overeat www.abovetopsecret.com...

Who's Umami? www.abovetopsecret.com...

Fat daddy tells you when you've had enough, so he had to be taken out of the equation. Let umami sing you lullabies, she tells you what comforts you. Should we trust her?


BTW, I am about a half-inch taller and outweigh you by 10-12 lbs. I could be the obese one.

If you read close you might see that I agree about the problem but perhaps have a different take about the solution. I don't like the snackie-cake industry getting away with this scot-free.



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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by FanarFanar

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Tax your Twinkies and you get a bit cranky, eh? Like the smokers who have to pay high taxes on their vices, you'll get over it.


No... I'm cranky because of muppets like you, that think the obesity is somehow a lifestyle choice. Do you really think that people who are obese wake up one day and say, "Hey... You know what? I want to be fat... I want health problems... I want to be mocked and ridiculed on a daily basis". The majority of people who are overnight, are overweight because of socio-economic reasons. Not because they chose to be.


Obesity isn't a lifestyle choice. Getting there is. Do you think poor students who don't study, or do their homework, and flunk out of school, want to wake up one day as manager of their local Burger King?

Of course nobody wants to wake up one day being obese with numerous health problems. But many of those people are more than capable of not having enough motivation on a daily basis to prevent getting there.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by MysticPearl

Obesity isn't a lifestyle choice. Getting there is.


Often, but not always true. Thinking so is an ignorant bias, IMHO.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Uhh . . . nope.
I actually think that it is unconstitutional.

SeraphNB



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Originally posted by MysticPearl

Obesity isn't a lifestyle choice. Getting there is.


Often, but not always true. Thinking so is an ignorant bias, IMHO.

As someone who worked as corporate fitness specialist, and who's wife is a nutritionist and personal trainer, I can say with confidence 9 out of every 10 people we've come across who are overweight, are overweight as a choice, not a condition.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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LoL! Seriously?

We should start fining fatties when healthy food is convenient, inexpensive and widely available and all health insurance providers start paying for gym memberships.

First they came for the smokers, then they came for the fatties, then they came for the drinkers (oh noes!), then they came for the (fill-in the blank).

Dude, the money crunchers will commodify anything. You know what I think is a dangerous risk factor? Virulent CAPITALISM!
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Seems more like a Divide and Conquer Issue to me. Who owns everything? The Corporation of America aka Govt.
Who loves to divide and conquer the people, they do.
Who makes all the food laws, they do.
Who creates drugs to destroy the minds of all americans? They do of course.
Who owns the Media? They do.
Who owns You? They do.


They Create the Problem, wait until it's way out of control, and then offer everyone a solution, THEIRS.

lets see now, Cigarettes used to be fashionable, Doctors used to promote camel cigs, and tell pregnant women to smoke them so they didnt have huge babies, or gain massive amounts of weight.

Now what we've got is an entire Nation of people hooked on Cigarettes, so what are they doing? taking it away. They're taking the drug away after promoting it, pushing it, making it a hollywood in thing, and then getting you hooked. Just like they do with everything else. Food is one of the biggest drugs used against society they know it and now you know it too. So what are they doing, they're trying to prohibit Organic food, spices etc etc. Why? Because they're Narcissistic Ruthless 'you know whats' thats why.

Divide and Conquer, its a war tactic and its being used against You. They dont want the focus on themselves, they want Chaos and they are creating it day after day right in front of everyone. It's the best place to hide, right out in the open.
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Well, why not just add tax on to rubbish food like doritoes and fast food and soda and such? Smokers have to put up with smokes being at least double due to tax, why shouldn't people who stuff crap food down their gullets too? Where I live alcohol and beer is almost double what it is in US, because they tax the crap out of that too.

Oh one thing about these health taxes on smokes, beer, etc... It should be a seperate tax altogether and only be allowed to be put toward health issues.
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
Well, why not just add tax on to rubbish food like doritoes and fast food and soda and such? Smokers have to put up with smokes being at least double due to tax, why shouldn't people who stuff crap food down their gullets too?


Because you can't die from not smoking and drinking alcohol. As it's been pointed-out these higher fat foods are much cheaper than high quality nutritious foods prepared at home. The destitute need to buy the least expensive foods available to feed their families on a daily basis...sometimes they can't even afford that and then need to rely on school food programs to feed their children. Don't get me started on the fatty, unhealthy school lunch programs.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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I had gastric banding surgery a year and a half ago, and fought my husband's insurance company all the way. They refused to pay even though my doctor recommended the procedure and sent my health records documenting obesity from the time I was five years-old. I had tried every possible method to lose the weight and it was obvious nothing was working. Ultimately, I ended up off my husband's insurance and on Medicare. Medicare paid for the surgery and I am now 78 lbs. lighter and healthier. I'm off all meds now, feel great, and have done things I never even dreamed of since losing weight.
Government has no business getting involved in every aspect of the citizen's rights. They look for every excuse to tax. I'm not even a smoker, but I am strongly against high cigarette taxes and smoke free everyplace. Once the government takes one groups rights, it's on to someone else. Should not be happening in a free country.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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I haven't read the entire thread, Im with the Yes! Since I'm taking it for my smoking habit, I hope the fat people come on board for taking them also.
f hope a dollar menu burger goes to $5, same as my butts!I realy don't want higher taxes, take at least 3/4 taxes off my butts, if not, charge $5 a soy burger.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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People don't die from not drinking soda and eating junk food either... Talk about being poor, last time I checked the cheapest food out there is ghetto noodle soup we called it. I think the proper term is ramon noodle? I practically lived off that for the last two years we tried to hang onto our house in NY. Not all cheap food is total junk food....



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Obesity isn't a lifestyle choice. Getting there is. Do you think poor students who don't study, or do their homework, and flunk out of school, want to wake up one day as manager of their local Burger King?


You are right, Obesity, smoking/chew, homosexuality,drinking,drugs is all a life style
So i smoke? It is noone's business to regulate my legal/lawful addiction. What if you are addicted to this website and conspiracies? Can I regulate you? Gays want to marry, there license fee better be at least $2k.

Please make the dollar menu at least $5 minimum. I'm glad to have the rest of the countryjoin the ranks with smokers being jerked over by the government.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Don't hate on capitalism, it'd work if anyone bothered to try it in its pure form. No one has yet.
I agree with those who are stating that it doesn't matter what you're talking about, it's a divide and conquer/fill-in-the-blank excuse to go after US. Smoker, overweight, drinker, left-handed baton twirler...
What does the law say? People are citing the costs of obesity (eat more = more profits, there's your problem, but there's a 'scrip for that!) but I've only seen one person refer to the rights afforded US citizens in the constitution (*Seraphnb).
On welfare or no, fat or huge, Americans are Americans and are imbued with inherent rights. Are these being violated? Don't these eventually become discriminatory/human rights violations? Whatever the fill-in-the-blank is, this indeed is the thin edge of the wedge. It doesn't matter if the surcharge/tax/whatever is 50 cents, once it gets established, it goes up and lasts forever.
Haven't you ever been 'governed' (LMFAO) before?
DD



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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Rights? What Rights?
Time to wake up people



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Smokers gross some people out, fat people gross me out. I can't get beyond the weak-mindedness and/or gluttony of the very fat. Sorry, it is not politically correct, but that's my right to feel as I do. After all, if obese people don't give a sh*t about themselves, why should. My distaste is only reinforced all the more when I see fat grown-ups toting along obese children. That makes the parents child abusers and their children should be removed from them.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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I hope this doesn't include Pregnant women too. Some things are in excess way beyond what they should be i agree. But you're looking in the wrong direction.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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I am not fat in fact I am still considered to be nearly 10 lbs under my ideal weight for my height and age. I know and love some people who are overweight. Heck, for the most part many of the co-workers I spend time with daily are at the very least 10 lbs overweight.

That being said I can say without a doubt that much of the obesity in our society today is related to the wages people earn and the cost of living. Add to that the factor of working endless hours each week and family duties as well and it leaves very little time for sleep and exercise.

Sure if you have the time and can afford a gym membership or a personal trainer you can look fit and stay in shape, or you can do like those with the money and get the doctors to make your body the way you want.


I see on a daily basis here people complaining about how someone else is living. People smoke, people are fat, people are having sex, people are drinking, people are doing this and that. My God it is like stepping into some of the story books we compare our western countries too and speak about how TPTB are stealing our rights. TPTB are not doing it we are telling them to take another person's rights because we do not like how they live. It has gotten to the point that I cannot wait for this ball of rock to burn and shatter so that everyone is happily gone. Does no one understand that it is not the governments or the NWO out to destroy the way we live but the people themselves out to destroy how anyone other than themselves live?

The smokers are right. I quit smoking before they came after the smokers I saw what was coming. People said it was for their own good and did not care because it was not them. People were happy to see the smokers taken down. Now it is the overweight people, who is next?


Sorry for the rant. However, this is real, people eat cheap crap because they cannot afford and do not have time to eat great all the time. I work swing shift, my wife works "normal" hours and goes to school, and we have a son. It is difficult to have time to get things made up; we do the best we can. Often time it is heating things in the oven or microwave, we cannot afford better nor do we have a great deal of time. I have a few hours after work to get on here while relaxing after a 12 hour shift for which I have been up nearly 19 hours before my day is completely over. I ride my bike on days I have off if it is warm (I can do about 8 miles in 49 min.), my wife's time is more limited.

Unless you are walking fully in another's shoes you cannot say they are in the wrong. It is true that most people are overweight because of how they eat and not exercising enough, few will argue that. However, it is the lifestyle we are stuck in that causes most people to do what they do. If for no other reason other than they are not educated enough and they are not able to see another way to do things. I would like to say that someday we might all be able to see things from another's stand point. I believe though we will destroy our planet before that happens. I have actually started to hope the latter comes sooner than later.

Raist



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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WHAT? NO!!!! Dang if there are too many fit healthy people in the world, then it's gonna be big problems for people like me who want to be able to live comfortably. We need fat unhealthy people to die so the rest of us can eat three meals a day, have decent living space, and drinking water! We are already overpopulated and already 1 % of the world owns like 99% of all the resources, I would like to have a shot at having some of those resources!



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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Good grief another thread attacking us fat people,
when will it end?I'm going to bed soon,can someone
wake me when I've reduced to a size 5?



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