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Report: Doctors Refusing to Treat Overweight Patients

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 04:07 AM
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This is an interesting issue. How to be a doctor who helps people and how to help people who got to their state by self infliction and how to handle the size without spending money on new equipment.

I don't blame any doctor who limits his patient size.

By the way, anyone ever seen an obese Doctor?




posted on May, 18 2011 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
Oh look, a troll thread against fat people. Never seen that before on ats.


I wonder if these doctors turn down patients who smoke, are anorexic, or are sexually promiscuous, or any other state that is an unhealthy lifestyle.

I know skinny people who are way more unhealthy then overweight people. Being skinny doesn't mean a person is healthy. And being heavy doesn't mean a person isn't.

You just keep going on with your bad self and your campaign to stereotype and marginalize an entire population of people.

Haha I guess you are fat then...
Nothing annoys me more than people wasting doctors time because they can't be bothered to learn about the foods they are shoving in their fat heads. Fat lazy ignorant people don't deserve any medical treatment, especially the one who say "I tried every diet and non of them work" this make my blood boil.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by daggyz
This is an interesting issue. How to be a doctor who helps people and how to help people who got to their state by self infliction and how to handle the size without spending money on new equipment.

I don't blame any doctor who limits his patient size.

By the way, anyone ever seen an obese Doctor?


Actualy yes, my local surgery had a big fat student pig doctor working there for a while.16 stone easily.
I had hurt my lower back lifting weights and it was quite twisted.She asked me have I got a six pack.She said don't lift weights until I have a six pack WTF? Dont lift weights until you have low body fat? I understand she meant to strengthen my core to support my back but she never said that.I doubt she is a doctor now though..



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Maybe what she meant was lose the weight by doing cardio first then build muscle. If you're a big person you have more inertia when you lift weights meaning its easier for your body to "go too far" in the direction of the weight lift. If that makes any sense.

Ok say you're standing and doing curls. If you pull the weight up to your chest quickly its easier to fall backwards or strain your back if you have more weight (more momentum) going in that direction.

Not saying its going to happen to every big person every time but it happens more often than if you have a stable, evenly proportioned base to lift from.

Besides, no ones gonna see the muscles you're lifting for if they're hidden under fat.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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They have a right to but are being irresponsible. Just like how businesses have a right to not serve anyone they want but denying people service just because they are black is not a class act.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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So theres posts on here complaining about being addicted to food and blaming culture and not themselves. Almost all addicts make excuses about their behavior. People blame their drinking on their family, their job, their society and everything but them. They trick themselves into believing theyre the victim when really theyre the perpetrator. Its the same with food addicts. Call an alcoholic an alcoholic and you'll have the same reaction as we've had calling fat people fat on this thread.

400lbs? How do you let it get that far? The human body is not made to support that kind of weight. Just like the human body is not made to drink a liter of vodka a day. How can you ignore your own body that way?

Yes our society glorifies the skinny while they push McDonalds and Coca-Cola on us. Yes there are poor people who are fat. But maybe if you're poor try making real food your priority. Real food that was grown, not processed. Food thats been exposed to water, dirt and sunshine, not machines, emusifiers, binding agents and food coloring. Do you realize they basically PAINT all those processed food to make them actually look like food, instead of what they really are - ground up GMO corn, GMO wheat and bound together with chemicals and high fructose corn syrup.

If you can't pronounce the names of the ingredients...DONT EAT IT. Make eating real food your financial priority. What's better for you and your family - food from Mother Earth or 500 channels of satellite TV? If you choose TV then you deserve you be fat and die early because your priorities are all out of order. Besides, like someone said above, with all the fad diets, Dr Phils and tv segments about health and healthy food its ignorant to still be fat. Ignorant because you IGNORE the facts that are right in front of your face...like every addict.

There is really no excuse for being an addict whether its food, porn or heroin. All addicts deny their responsibility for their addiction and fat people are no different than meth heads in this regard. Spend $50 a month on good food and not TV and you'd be surprised how fast weight would fall off. Now...what to do with all that extra skin...Yuck.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by doctornamtab
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Maybe what she meant was lose the weight by doing cardio first then build muscle. If you're a big person you have more inertia when you lift weights meaning its easier for your body to "go too far" in the direction of the weight lift. If that makes any sense.

Ok say you're standing and doing curls. If you pull the weight up to your chest quickly its easier to fall backwards or strain your back if you have more weight (more momentum) going in that direction.

Not saying its going to happen to every big person every time but it happens more often than if you have a stable, evenly proportioned base to lift from.

Besides, no ones gonna see the muscles you're lifting for if they're hidden under fat.

You clearly don't lift weights then.At the time I was only 150lbs.This doctor had no idea what she was talking about.To suggest having a six pack before you press overhead is a completely irresponsible thing for a doctor to say.What you stated above is just ridiculous.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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You know sometimes, the effort and risk many doctors take goes down the crapper when the person been devoted on doesn't givea darn about getting better.

My husband has a few co workers that are morbidly obese and he amazes how they live their lives, rather than getting better and changing life style they indulge in pills to make them feel better so they can keep doing what got them unhealthy.

One told my husband when he brought to his attention that eating huge danish for breakfast was not good for his diabetes that he can do it because he took pills for it.

Now this man is no uneducated, but the mentality of many Americans is that taking pills will keep them from dying while they still do what make them sick.

Sad, but private doctors can chose who to treat, now under Obamacrapcarethey are to treat everybody if they do not opt out.


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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Of course you are right.

I find it ironic that on a site where tons of folks champion individual freedoms and freedom of will, that there are also tons who denounce those who expect people to be responsible for the manner in which they exercise those freedoms I find it comical when the same individuals adopt both sides of that argument, depending on what freedoms you are talking about.

Should someone for example who can not control their urge to eat rubbish and has gotten obese as a result be able to own a gun? Either they are unable to control their urges, are so easily manipulated by mass marketing that they will allow those urges to ruin their health or they are purposefully behaving irresponsibly. Neither are attractive qualities for someone with a fire arm in thier hands.

You can't have it both ways. You don't have freedom and are trusted with the responsibilities that go with that freedom with respect to one issue and then absolve yourself of taking responsibility for your choices on the other.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Love to walk into a doctors office and see a 'no fat chix' sticker on the door lolol



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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I think it's sad that the health care and the medical profession is completely controlled by money and insurance companies.

No compassion, no desire to help the less fortunate, no empathy, no wish to further scientific understanding, no calling to heal the sick, no wish to educate. Only getting as much money as they can and not lossing it because they killed someone thru their own ignorance, lack of caring, misdiagnosis, preoccupation the afternoon golf game, etc.

There was so much mis-information, assumptions, loathing, hatred and narcissism on this thread I had to stop reading it.

So If someone mentioned about the money and insurance thing before, sorry about that...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by TimeCrisis

Originally posted by doctornamtab
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Maybe what she meant was lose the weight by doing cardio first then build muscle. If you're a big person you have more inertia when you lift weights meaning its easier for your body to "go too far" in the direction of the weight lift. If that makes any sense.

Ok say you're standing and doing curls. If you pull the weight up to your chest quickly its easier to fall backwards or strain your back if you have more weight (more momentum) going in that direction.

Not saying its going to happen to every big person every time but it happens more often than if you have a stable, evenly proportioned base to lift from.

Besides, no ones gonna see the muscles you're lifting for if they're hidden under fat.

You clearly don't lift weights then.At the time I was only 150lbs.This doctor had no idea what she was talking about.To suggest having a six pack before you press overhead is a completely irresponsible thing for a doctor to say.What you stated above is just ridiculous.


Hey I was just trying to understand where the doctor was coming from. No need for exaggerated hyperbole and no need to cut me down..unless thats what youre here for, of course. In which case I hope you feel a lot smarter now. Maybe next time you could try to understand what someone is saying instead of name calling and berating all the people out there who are stupider than you.

It does no good to point out people's stupidity unless you can provide ways to make them smarter. So, be constructive or be quiet. Dont be mean just to be mean.

End rant
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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Have you ever considered that there are doctors who are absolutely compassionate and refuse to treat obese patients? They refuse because they want to help as many people as possible and choose not to take on people who have willingly led irresponsible lives and will almost by definition suck up more of the doctors time, thus crowding out time which could be spent on other, responsible patients? In that instance, it is not in the doctor's economic interests not to treat the obese patient. A patient who is likely to have complications will require more and longer visits, more tests, and in general a more profitable patient.

It is impossible to determine the motives of either party. The motives of the doctor who refuses to treat the patient and the motivations of the person who willingly gets obese and then becomes pregnant, thus dramatically increasing the likely of having not only pregnancy complications but also a child with birth defects.


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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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I dont know how the sitution is there in america when it comes to access to nutritional food but i do however know that in the uk the majority of people have access to nutritional food. So for me, i dont sympathise with obease people. You wanna live in mcdonals and #ty takeaways without exercising? Id give your doctor every right to refuse service. You want a gastric bypass because you cant be bothered changing your diet and addressing the issues that make you eat such awful crap? You shouldnt be allowed one.
No ones asking you to eat a salad, Just stop eating crap thats high in fat and join a gym. Dont tell me its so simple that you just cannot believe it!
sincerly, From the "Against obeasity" camp



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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The funny thing, is I have yet to hear an overweight person anywhere, take responsibility for their weight. There is always an excuse. Well what if it's your thyroid, what if you can't afford healthy food, what if you're stuck at a desk all day, what if you don't have time to exercise, and on and on and on. Not one fat person on here, had said something as simple as "I could eat healthier, I should eat healthier, I'll start fitting in 30 mins of exercise a day, and try to commit to a healthier lifestyle". Not one has taken any responsibility. How come you being obese is ALWAYS someone elses fault.

Fat people shouldn't have kids. If they can't take care of themselves, how can they care for another human being? I see fat parents, with fat kids, in the candy section of my local supermarket everyday. If the excuse is you can't afford healthy food, you shouldn't be allowed to have kids either. If you can't afford healthy enough food for yourself, to stay at a healthy weight, you can't afford it for another human being at the same time.

If you're fat, and can't find any time to exercise, you also shouldn't have kids. If you already can't find that time to workout, how the hell can you come up with the time to raise a child, and teach that child about a healthy lifestyle?

Fat people always point the finger, always have an excuse, never have time for exercise, and never have time to cook something healthy or can't afford it.Some here say they're active, eat healthy, and still gain a lot of weight. Well as a former corporate fitness specialist, I challenge any of you to follow through on one of my diet/exercise programs and see if you don't lose weight. I've been through this with hundreds of people. They're simply too lazy, or seemingly can't find 30 mins everyday, eventhough they never miss their favorite tv show. 9 times out of 10 it's pure laziness. Thyroid issues. I've helped people lose weight with that condition to. It's will power. If you want to lose weight, you can. If you're not, you're not doing enough. Any who says differently take me up on my challenge.

And when i comes to the article, we're not talking about being 15-20lbs overweight. We're talking about doctors who are afraid the table might COLLAPSE from the weight.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by MysticPearl
The funny thing, is I have yet to hear an overweight person anywhere, take responsibility for their weight. There is always an excuse. Well what if it's your thyroid, what if you can't afford healthy food, what if you're stuck at a desk all day, what if you don't have time to exercise, and on and on and on. Not one fat person on here, had said something as simple as "I could eat healthier, I should eat healthier, I'll start fitting in 30 mins of exercise a day, and try to commit to a healthier lifestyle". Not one has taken any responsibility. How come you being obese is ALWAYS someone elses fault.

Fat people shouldn't have kids. If they can't take care of themselves, how can they care for another human being? I see fat parents, with fat kids, in the candy section of my local supermarket everyday. If the excuse is you can't afford healthy food, you shouldn't be allowed to have kids either. If you can't afford healthy enough food for yourself, to stay at a healthy weight, you can't afford it for another human being at the same time.

If you're fat, and can't find any time to exercise, you also shouldn't have kids. If you already can't find that time to workout, how the hell can you come up with the time to raise a child, and teach that child about a healthy lifestyle?

Fat people always point the finger, always have an excuse, never have time for exercise, and never have time to cook something healthy or can't afford it.Some here say they're active, eat healthy, and still gain a lot of weight. Well as a former corporate fitness specialist, I challenge any of you to follow through on one of my diet/exercise programs and see if you don't lose weight. I've been through this with hundreds of people. They're simply too lazy, or seemingly can't find 30 mins everyday, eventhough they never miss their favorite tv show. 9 times out of 10 it's pure laziness. Thyroid issues. I've helped people lose weight with that condition to. It's will power. If you want to lose weight, you can. If you're not, you're not doing enough. Any who says differently take me up on my challenge.

And when i comes to the article, we're not talking about being 15-20lbs overweight. We're talking about doctors who are afraid the table might COLLAPSE from the weight.



Check-mate!



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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First of all BMI is an asinine calculation of some kind.

MY BMI calculated here BMI (69” 215lbs) is 31.8 indicates that I am obese.


At age 44 I have body fat of 14% (skin fold caliper result) and can run 3 miles in 22 minutes do 100 PU and 100 SU in 2 minutes.

Sure I am obese. Using BMI solely as a mark of fitness is an auto fail proposition. Having served in the Army for 24 years most in SF the majority of us had BMI over 25-30; however, as a group we were pretty fit.


Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexanReally? You think that people who are victims of socioeconomic status should not be allowed to breed?

Is this your "final solution"?


Texan – I applaud your dedication to losing weight; good for you. The key is motivation and to do it for the right reasons. Until one wishes to lose weight for himself they will likely fail. I broke my neck many years ago on a parachute operation and gained like 50lbs in the recovery process – weight is not easy to shed especially as one ages.

Regarding the Mengele and “Final Solution” I’m sure you were using hyperbole, which is often lost in translation to the internet along with sarcasm.

Bottm line up front – people should not have children they can not afford to raise, period. That means adiquate food, shelter, clothing, medical care the whole shebang!

With regard to government intervention into the management of birth control and procreation in general; of course, my first choice would be to have the federal government not play a role at all in either limiting a person’s ability to procreate (through any form of public funded birth control or abortion) or the intervention to mitigate the effects of their poor decision making (Be it in the form of health care, schooling, or any other programs not enumerated in the constitution).

Sadly that is not the case; therefore, since we are already in the role of the latter (providing aid and comfort to people in need who have made poor choicest) it seems the former (setting limits and restrictions) would also then be necessary.

As it stands now the government has assumed the role of the indulgent and forgiving Nanny who will assist these people and their innocent offspring as they do and continue to make poor choices over and over.

What we lack is the necessarily complimentary role of the rational decision making father who will impose discipline and set boundaries.


I contend that much like a family without both roles is doomed to fail; a family with one or both parents who coddle, tolerate and even reward poor behavior without the opposite and equal role of that of a standard setting enforcer will soon be bankrupt (morally and financially).

The poor and ignorant (who I guess do not understand how babies are made) are indulged and forgiven and in some cases even rewarded (more money for each child) for their poor decision making under the guise of protecting the innocent children who they create. This is in the form of welfare, wic, food stamps, head start, free/reduced child care etc.

At the same time there are virtually no limits upon those programs – "for the sake of the children". No one in their right mind wishes ill to a child – yet where does one draw the line?

How much “aid” is too much and for how long should one be able to draw the “aid” – I contend that we have gone way too far. People can and do draw the aid forever and pass on that tendency to their often many and varied offspring. Statistics indicate that welfare entitlements have created a culture that depends almost entirely on them and it is more likely than not that being raised in such an environment will result in the continuation of the cycle of poverty rather than the stated goal to break it. Why have families been on the dole for going on 3-4 generations without a break in the cycle?

It may sound harsh but if these people who have, then continue to have children they cannot afford or support were punished and controlled rather than indulged and rewarded the behavior would likely and necessarily have to change.

I contend that while it may seem cruel forcing an irresponsible person to watch their child starve/suffer might indeed reinforce the idea that continued procreation without the means to support the offspring might be a bad idea.

However, we continue to not only support these individuals here with money from our taxes, we support the third world hungry and poor who breed like rabbits (knowingly spreading AIDs as well) while they live in places where no food grows or there is no stability (wars, strife etc.) in which to raise their offspring. Obviously, the message is not setting in that this is bad.

Until the we stop protecting people from their own poor choices on a personal, national and international level the burden to the productive and responsible people will just continue to increase since there is virtually no down side to these stupid choices.

If people want to accept government hand outs I contend that they should also then necessarily cede a good portion of their right to make similar decisions that lead to their current predicament in the first place.

1] What I mean here are benefits being dependant on being drug and alcohol free; and mandatory contraception and some form of employment for the benefit of the state. Hell, they can pick up trash on the highways or whatever - something.

2] This goes for both the fathers (who largely go un involved in the process of family after the act of procreation) and the mothers.

3] Hunt the fathers down; garnish their wages make them pay something either labor or cash - a man's role is to support and defend his offspring. If you father 3 children out of wedlock and can't support them I say mandatory sterilization for you! DNA tests can prove this if the mothers had to name the father to get the benefits we'd be able to recoup some of the loss IMO. If you are so morally bankrupt you don’t know who the father is name all your partners and let the DNA tests find out who it is... In no way should the Mothers and the state have to bear all the burden for a bunch of irrisponsible men.

That said the person recieveing the aid should cede some freedoms in this situation; much like when one (perhaps unemployed or handicapped) lives under the roof of a parent as an adult. In this instance the adult will have to exchange some of his/her rights and freedoms for this parental support that is continued past the norm and that is extraordinary in nature. At least I know I would make my kids in that situation - not going to live here and depend on me and do as you damn well please while I pay for it.

This should be no different when the state has to assume that role – those who depend on the state should have to give up some of their “adult freedoms” in exchange for the support.

However, in the “progressive world” it’s not that way – there is always other people’s money to spend. If you haven’t noticed a cash cow only has so much blood, it is running out…

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Theres just no excuse for obesity. It takes years and years of eating more calories than you burn to become obese. Years. American doctors must shudder when extremely large people walk into their office.


WRONG!

The level of ignorance on this site really just makes me want to bang my head against a wall sometimes.

I've said it before. I'll say it again.

I have a daughter who is very obese. I ate very healthy while I was pregnant with her, yet she was born big. She was breast fed until she was old enough to eat food. From then on she was given a healthy diet and eats healthy to this day. She is 13 years old now and gains weight at rate of about 20 pounds per every three months. She has seen many doctors... not a single one of them have been able to figure out what is wrong. Every bite that kid takes is monitored and documented. She's sick and tired of the food journals, the doctors, etc. NOTHING controls her weight. I can just about guarantee that she eats better than you who made this ignorant statement!

No excuse, huh? I would like for you to tell this to my daughter who has watched every bite she has eaten for the past 13 years of her life and exercised with a trainer five times a week, yet STILL gains weight! Tell that to her doctors who are absolutely baffled. Go ahead, I dare ya!

You should watch what you say before you spew your ignorance. It really only makes you look dumb.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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They just don't want to look inside fat woman...

Bottom line.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by gemineye
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Theres just no excuse for obesity. It takes years and years of eating more calories than you burn to become obese. Years. American doctors must shudder when extremely large people walk into their office.


WRONG!

The level of ignorance on this site really just makes me want to bang my head against a wall sometimes.

I've said it before. I'll say it again.

I have a daughter who is very obese. I ate very healthy while I was pregnant with her, yet she was born big. She was breast fed until she was old enough to eat food. From then on she was given a healthy diet and eats healthy to this day. She is 13 years old now and gains weight at rate of about 20 pounds per every three months. She has seen many doctors... not a single one of them have been able to figure out what is wrong. Every bite that kid takes is monitored and documented. She's sick and tired of the food journals, the doctors, etc. NOTHING controls her weight. I can just about guarantee that she eats better than you who made this ignorant statement!

No excuse, huh? I would like for you to tell this to my daughter who has watched every bite she has eaten for the past 13 years of her life and exercised with a trainer five times a week, yet STILL gains weight! Tell that to her doctors who are absolutely baffled. Go ahead, I dare ya!

You should watch what you say before you spew your ignorance. It really only makes you look dumb.

You're pretty ignorant if you think that's a valid excuse for 99% of the population. Obviously your daughter is in an undesirable, unpreventable situation, and for that, I'm sorry. But the problem we continuely run into is people like you acting as if that's the norm, and that's the reason most people are overweight.

Of course there are rare medical conditions which aren't preventable, no one denying that. Do you actually think people here are blaming someone in the position your daughter is in? Get serious. No one here is talking about rare, unpreventable conditions.



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