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posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:34 PM
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Stand For:
Strict constitutionalism, isolationism, laissez-faire capitalism,
individual rights, limited government, and republicanism.

Oppose:
Statism, liberalism, tribalism, socialism,
collectivism, internationalism, democracy, altruism, pull politics,
and the New World Order.


If the above can be placed under a polical "label", then it would fit me to almost a "T". As for the linked "isms" I'll be throwing around, don't worry be happy, that they are in this forum only.



Republicanism




posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:36 PM
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Seems closer to conservative Libertarian to me.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:37 PM
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What do you propose to replace state-ism if you do not accept federalism?

Even if you decentralize power, unless you're for anarchy, it must rest at some hierarchy.

[edit on 2-8-2004 by ktprktpr]



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:38 PM
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Well, what ever it fits under I'm for it.

I'll keep that "label" in mind though, as I was half tempted to just write "Jeffersonian" on the catagory box.




posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:57 PM
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"You see, my kind of loyalty was loyalty to one's country, not to institutions or its office holders. The country is the real thing; it is the thing to watch over and care for and be loyal to; institutions extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death. To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags--that is a loyalty of unreason; it is pure animal; it belongs to monarchy; was invented by monarchy; let monarchy keep it."
Mark Twain

Or in other words;

"That government which governs least, governs best"

I do not propose to replace anything, just that people make their own choices, based on what they believe, not what they are influenced or told to.

As for "some hierarchy, that is what responcible people are for. People with morals, honor and integrity. Some one who is selfless, loyal with a sence of duty who respects others and themselves. Who has the personal courage to due what is right, for the people.

To finish, an ideal selection of people to represent the USA would have to know what the following words mean, and live by them.

No matter what situation I am in, I will never do anything for pleasure, profit, or personal safety which will disgrace my uniform, my unit, or my Country.

God Bless America, and every place else!




posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 10:31 PM
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I consider your poltical slant to be Conservative Magic Anarchry. The main reason is this:


just that people make their own choices, based on what they believe, not what they are influenced or told to.


That's an autonomy no gov't would accept.

[edit on 2-8-2004 by ktprktpr]



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by ktprktpr
I consider your poltical slant to be Conservative Magic Anarchry. The main reason is this:


just that people make their own choices



How can it be any other way?


Originally posted by ADVISOR
based on what they believe, not what they are influenced or told to.


Are you saying the government should control peoples rights?


Originally posted by ktprktpr
That's an autonomy no gov't would accept.


Hmm, if your saying no goverment would accept the choices of it's own citizens, who in turn elected those in the government seats, is something unacceptable...

Could you clarify, I'm not sure if I'm comprehending your arguement.



I am not even sure if you are even argueing. You lost me some where around, "Conservative Magic Anarchry".

[edit on 2-8-2004 by ADVISOR]



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 11:29 PM
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Advisor, you sound like a closet Libertarian. They seem to be the only party that thinks people are capable of running their own lives.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 12:11 AM
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Are you saying, that your unable to choose for your self?

I know I'm able to decide for myself, and will continue to do just that, as I expect other free people to do for themselves.

Once upon a time it used to be, by the people, for the people.

Are we not the people?



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 12:17 AM
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Don't worry, I lost myself too, around "Conservative Magic Anarchry," but, in short, it seemed to me that you wanted a nation founded on mutual respect, common sense and morals.

I think I misinterpreted your intent when you said "some hierarchy, that is what responsible people are for." I thought you meant that instead of a hierarchy, you'd have responsible people. This is where my "magic anarchry" comes in, because you'll never have all responsible people.

But I think you meant that the the leaders, at all levels, would be responsible and answerable to the people. Not that they'd be replaced by an entire nation of responsible people.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 12:29 AM
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You seem to have it right, as far as I can decypher.

A couple resources if any one is interested.

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

The Bill of Rights



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 12:42 AM
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This is alot of what is wrong with the U.S. All the labels.
each group has a label. numerous lableled groups all with thier own ideas on how this country should be. Anyone not in your group is the enemy. basically too many groups with too many labels. Democrats, republicans, libertarians, big business/lobbyists. every group has a label and thier own ideas/agendas. Thats the major problem with the capitalistic democracy that citizens in the US live in. This country would be so much better if thier was only one group with only one label--- AMERICANS. A true democracy where no ONE group could hold sway over the other for any reason. True majority rules. Where the vote of every ordinary citizen matters. No lobbyists, no scheming senators to vote in thier personal best interest. No electoral votes. True majority rules. we live in a hugely flawed democracy to the point that if it doesnt change fairly soon it is a real possibility that it could crumble.

[edit on 3-8-2004 by shoafy]



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 01:21 AM
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shoafy says


True majority rules. Where the vote of every ordinary citizen matters. No lobbyists, no scheming senators to vote in thier personal best interest. No electoral votes. True majority rules. we live in a hugely flawed democracy to the point that if it doesnt change fairly soon it is a real possibility that it could crumble.


One of the purposes of the Constitution is to protect the minority from the majority. If we had true majority rule, atheists would be sent to religious reeducation camps, homosexuals would be sent to sexual reeducation camps, and blacks would still be slaves.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 06:43 AM
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tribalism and liberalism are kewl.




posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 06:31 PM
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A good idea. I'll follow suit.

For: Governmental overhaul,
neutrality, isolationism. Fair
play economics, radical societal
restructuring. Another Constitutional
Convention. Educational reform.


Against: NWO, ZOG
multiculturalism, the Iraq war,
unchecked immigration, the
outsourcing of our future,
The two-party system,
liberalism, conservatism
(as they tend to rear thier
ugly heads in the media)


We really need a change...



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
Stand For:
Strict constitutionalism, isolationism, laissez-faire capitalism,
individual rights, limited government, and republicanism.

Oppose:
Statism, liberalism, tribalism, socialism,
collectivism, internationalism, democracy, altruism, pull politics,
and the New World Order.


To me that's more confusing than straightforward. How can you "stand for" constitutionalism, individual rights, and limited government, while simulataneously opposing the same things (i.e., liberalism, democracy)?



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
Stand For:
Strict constitutionalism, isolationism, laissez-faire capitalism,
individual rights, limited government, and republicanism.

Oppose:
Statism, liberalism, tribalism, socialism,
collectivism, internationalism, democracy, altruism, pull politics,
and the New World Order.


If the above can be placed under a polical "label", then it would fit me to almost a "T". As for the linked "isms" I'll be throwing around, don't worry be happy, that they are in this forum only.



Republicanism



They are, its called Libertarian

As a friend of mine said probebly 80% of the people are really Libertarians


We are what the republicans try to con you into believing THEY are

[edit on 22-8-2004 by Amuk]



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by ktprktpr
What do you propose to replace state-ism if you do not accept federalism?

Even if you decentralize power, unless you're for anarchy, it must rest at some hierarchy.

[edit on 2-8-2004 by ktprktpr]


what is with you people and automatically assuming it's "anarchy" ???
that's exactly the mentality they've been trying to get you to have......

Strict constitution isn't what the republicans are standing for anymore, if anything they are slaughtering it in the name of security.... Decentralizing power does not mean anarchy, it means taking the government out of every little thing in your life and replacing it with self responsibility. That's not anarchy, thats taking action on your own. Government should of only been established here to maintain the country's security, keep the law at a low, and have municipal/state gov gather and disperse tax ect...... I don't know why some people find this hard to comprehend, examining things too much, reading into things, and drawing a conclusion based off of what people tell you is not good politics....... The political arena is stemming further and further away from the once was political arena, and people are going along with it and agreeing with them because their being fed bologne, regurgite political agendas all you want but know what your regurgitating before you spew it out.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Amuk
They are, its called Libertarian

As a friend of mine said probebly 80% of the people are really Libertarians


We are what the republicans try to con you into believing THEY are


I was going to say the same thing, but no need to kick a dead horse. But also, that I think he summed it up pretty nicely. A good number of republicans are that because they see no other viable option. When they really get info on the libertarians, they switch.

I did, and knowing is half the battle.



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