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Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by SaturnFX
Why the racism?
Can't we talk about other countries without resorting to tired old stereotypes please?
On topic I know what you're saying, but being dragged into something - I.e Afghanistan, due to the lies about BIn Laden, Al Queda etc
I don't doubt militant Islamic types exist, but I think our actions in Afghan haven't exactly quelled them have they?
Originally posted by jexmo
The fact that the retarded U.S military seem to keep killing the British soldiers to me, says we should have left a long time ago.
The U.S. has been responsible for 5 British military deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq:
Iraq - March 23 2003: A U.S. Patriot missile downed a British Panavia Tornado GR.4A ZG710 "D" of No. 13 Squadron RAF killing the pilot and navigator. This was debatable. Both U.S. and British personnel says that the aircraft's IFF indicator malfunctioned. Therefore, a faulty maintenance and equipment failure caused it, not the U.S. so who's to blame?
Iraq - March 28, 2003: A pair of U.S. A-10s from 190th attacked 4 British armoured reconnaissance vehicles of the Blues and Royals, killing 1 and injuring 5.
Afghanistan - 5 Dec 2006: An F/A-18C on a Close Air Support mission in Helmand Province mistakenly attacked a trench where British Royal Marines were dug-in during a 10-hour battle with Taliban fighters, killing 1 Royal Marine.
Afghanistan- Dec 5 2010: A Kiwi Soldier serving in the British military was killed by a U.S. F-18 plane in Nad 'Ali district of Helmand province during a firefight with the Taliban. The investigation is still under way.
The British have been responsible for 10 British military deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq:
Iraq - March 30 2003: Royal Engineers killed a Royal Marine Chris Maddison when his river patrol boat was hit by a Milan Missile after wrongly identified as an enemy vessel in Al-Faw Peninsula.
Iraq - March 26 2003: A British Challenger 2 tank came under fire from another British tank in a nighttime firefight. The turret was blown off and 2 crew members were killed.
Afghanistan - Jan 15, 2007: LCpl Ford, Zulu Company of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died after receiving a gunshot wound which was later found to be due to FF. The final inquest has ruled he died from a Royal Marine machine gun bullet. The report added there was no "negligence" by the gunman, who had made a "momentary error of judgment".
Afghanistan - Dec 20 2009: A Royal Military Police Officer Michael David Pritchard was killed by a British Sniper while on observation post.
Afghanistan - Aug 23 2007: A U.S. F-15 called in to support British forces dropped a bomb on those forces due to wrong coordinates given to the pilot by a British Forward Air Controller. 3 privates of 1st Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment, were killed and 2 others were injured. A British FAC is now facing manslaughter charges. There is no way you can blame the U.S. for this one. The wrong coordinates were given to a U.S. pilot by a British FAC.
Afghanistan - Jan 14 2009: Captain Tom Sawyer, age 26, of 29 Commando Royal Artillery, and Corporal Danny Winter, age 28, of 45 Commando Royal Marines, were killed when they were hit by a Javelin anti-tank missile fired in error by British troops in Gereshk, Helmand province, in southern Afghanistan.
The U.S. has been responsible for 3 U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq:
Afghanistan - Pat Tillman, former famous U.S. football player, was killed in April 22, 2004. The U.S. Department of Defense concluded that Pat Tillman's death was due to U.S. friendly fire aggravated by the intensity of the firefight. An investigation concluded that no hostile forces were involved in the firefight and two allied groups fired on each other in confusion after a nearby explosive device was detonated.
Iraq - Battle of Nasiriyah: A U.S. force of AAV's and infantry were misidentified as an Iraqi armored column by 2 U.S. A-10s who carried out a few bombing and strafing runs on them. 1 U.S. Marine were killed and 17 were wounded. It's not "6 U.S. marine" killed as everyone believe in.
Iraq - April 3, 2003: A U.S. Patriot missile downed a F/A-18C Block 46 Hornet 164974 of VFA-195 50 mi (80 km) from Karbala, killing U.S. navy pilot Lieut. Nathan Dennis White. This was the result of missile design flaw identifying hostile aircraft.
They're nowhere near as high as people would have you believe if you keeping up the true statistics. No one is going to keep killing their own guys just for the hell of it. Any civilians who think U.S. military is poorly trained need go to the military themselves and experience how to become a real man if they're are so tough.
In Iraq/Afghanistan war, the U.S. has 200,000 troops deployed and committed 12 FF incidents. Britain has 20,000 troops deployed and committed 7 FF incidents. So do the remedial math. Take U.S.12 FF incidents and British 7 FF incidents as well as number of incidents vs number of soldiers deployed, who has higher rate(hint: British FF rates are 10 times higher than U.S.). Since U.S. deployed more troops than the British, thats mean the British committed more blue on blue than U.S.
In Afghanistan, U.S. has killed 2 British soldiers and 1 U.S. soldier. The British has killed 7 of their own soldiers. So more British soldiers died by their own fire than we have theirs and we have ours.
British FFs are mostly ground to ground. Most U.S. FFs are air to ground since the U.S. provides 95% air cover for all coalition forces.
The Ministry of Defence is seeking to find more savings from the armed forces in the next financial year.
A three-month study, reporting in July, will consider which personnel and equipment programmes could be cut.
Last October's strategic defence and security review set out plans to scrap HMS Ark Royal and the Harrier fleet and cut 42,000 forces and civilian jobs.