20% of new Obamacare Waivers are restaurants, nightclubs, fancy hotels in Pelosi’s District!

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


But, why would you need personal insurance and such if Obamacare is so wonderful? You have yet to answer that?

You also make a HUGE misguided assumption on my insurance situation, and others as well.

reply to post by jibeho


Please explain to me how an organization benefits from recieving a waiver?

If they don't benefit in any way...what motivation is there for favortism.


Two others have already failed to show that there is any favortism...would you like a crack at it???

The outrage shouldn't be at just waivers, the outrage should be over the fact that every American still doesn't have health insurance. It should be outrage over that even those with health insurance still have to declare bankruptcy after a major illness.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


And when your insurance company can't compete anymore with the Govt, and are forced to either raise cost or close the doors, what does your grandfather clause provide then?

reply to post by macman


That's exactly what is happening here and HHS does not have the authority to do what they have been selectively doing. All they are doing is trying to preserve votes because they !@##$ up the law. These same orgs. and companies will simply reapply for the waivers until 2014 when Obamacare is slated to going into full swing. God help us. It must be stopped before this further cripples our nation.

reply to post by Kaploink

Those with coverage have to file bankruptcy?
I have yet to see that.
It's simple, if you want health insurance, get a job that has it as a benefit or save up and get it.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

But, why would you need personal insurance and such if Obamacare is so wonderful? You have yet to answer that?

You also make a HUGE misguided assumption on my insurance situation, and others as well.

LOL


You do know that "Obamacare" IS PERSONAL INSURANCE....RIGHT???


Good lord...educate yourself.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

And when your insurance company can't compete anymore with the Govt, and are forced to either raise cost or close the doors, what does your grandfather clause provide then?

THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT COMPETITION.


WOW...you don't even have a basic understanding of the legislation.

How can I continue to have a discussion when you don't even know the basic facts?

Originally posted by Kaploink
The outrage shouldn't be at just waivers, the outrage should be over the fact that every American still doesn't have health insurance. It should be outrage over that even those with health insurance still have to declare bankruptcy after a major illness.

Does our system need to fixed? Heck yes!
This "fix" won't help anyone but the government though.

reply to post by Blaine91555


How come you gave up your private insurance at $1200/mo (extraordinarily cheap for ins) I have paid that much in Ga. and I am healthy. AK has pre-existing policies from 450 to 1800 so you are bumping right up at the top end. Alaska's policy to get in the pool is that you have to be denied coverage from private insurance -- and not have had insurance for six months. it probably was not a wise choice to drop the private insurance.

If you are living in a shelter you should be eligible for medicaid.

The health care plan was passed after months of discussion and tons of whining on behalf of the right. It wasn't a Wisconsin move. The healthcare plan is basically put together with right wing ideas. To mollify the right wing. This has been something we have needed since 1950. Somebody had to expend the political capitol to get it done.

Need I remind you that GM is at the verge of or now the largest automobile producer in the world.


A CEO not fired by the board -- yeah that's a shocker. NBC is still part of GE. Fox is still controlled by Murdock and Ailes

GE has a team of 900 tax lawyers to not pay taxes -- Obama did not just call up the IRS and say give them a pass that is silly. Don't forget about the agribusiness and Oil companies - GE isnt alone in this.

Obama is saying that he will raise 1 billion maybe maybe not. How much are the insurance companies and corporations going to pay for your guy. How much will the right pay to keep redistributing your wealth to the top so it rains down on you in a golden shower.

I have defended no lies and I will back down from anything that is proven to me to be wrong - that is what smart people do they don't marry their ideas - the are content to date. I am not dogmatic it is just so easy to debunk the right wing - it is rather fun.

I know the costs have gone up I have connections in the medical industry -- they are doing real well. But the fact that insurance costs have gone up (if they have gone up more than any other year) is due to greed. I know one company Coventry - last fall insured 10s of thousand more people because smaller companies could now buy insurance. The costs premiums should have gone down (bigger pool more to share the cost) they went up. Just who is the villain there, think Coventry.

Actually this president has done a lot of what I asked from him -- some things I disagreed with some things I have been quiet happy with. I am not convinced that he lied -- Bush actually lied. Funny how most people that claim he lied - didnt vote for him in the first place. The health care thing has been something I have been hoping for for 50 years.

Sorry you're not doing so well all businesses have been hurt our little manufacturing business has had 3 of the best months in 25 years and we are adding another shift. We sell to manufactures so apparently they are making stuff. So my anecdote about how bad it is is a little different than yours.

With that I am out of here you can only watch people ignore the same facts over and over for so long til you realize that it is a lost cause.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by jibeho

 

Please explain to me how an organization benefits from recieving a waiver?

If they don't benefit in any way...what motivation is there for favortism.


Two others have already failed to show that there is any favortism...would you like a crack at it???

Really? Its called political favoritism. You've already seen the waiver recipient list. Its called preserving votes by protecting a select group's benefits. What about those smaller companies who don't have the resources or connections necessary to obtain a waiver?? They will never get one. These waivers should be uniformly applied across the board to show the nation how great this legislation really is.

a point to ponder

Second, it creates at least the perception -- and possibly the fact -- that regulatory enforcement is being subordinated to Administration political priorities or concerns. The combination of HHS establishing interim dollar limits in the regulation, but then also instituting a process for waiving those limits on a case-by-case basis, appears deliberately designed to convey the perception that the new law is having a positive effect, while selectively avoiding any enforcement actions that might create the opposite public perception that the law is resulting in adverse, unintended consequences

oversight.house.gov...
I would call this saving face.

HHS needs to get back WITHIN the confines of this legislation.

ETA
If these companies let the mini meds drop without the waiver then the politicians lose the worker bee votes. Again protecting the vote.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


How is that?
If I don't have insurance, then I get fined.
The Govt forces companies to pool resources, to provide for those that don't, at a discount.
If you don't participate, you get fined.
How is that not Govt control?

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

But, why would you need personal insurance and such if Obamacare is so wonderful? You have yet to answer that?

You also make a HUGE misguided assumption on my insurance situation, and others as well.

LOL

You do know that "Obamacare" IS PERSONAL INSURANCE....RIGHT???


Good lord...educate yourself.

And again, you don't answer the direct question.
[snip]
You were taught very well, but it is transparent.
The law is to provide a low cost insurance option to those without insurance.
So, you are going to pay more, for services that others will get for less?
When those that don't want to pay more, flock to paying less, then your policy goes bye bye, unless you want to pay even more.

reply to post by jibeho


You completely failed to answer the question.

I'll ask again.

Please explain to me how an organization benefits from recieving a waiver?

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

And when your insurance company can't compete anymore with the Govt, and are forced to either raise cost or close the doors, what does your grandfather clause provide then?

THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT COMPETITION.


WOW...you don't even have a basic understanding of the legislation.

How can I continue to have a discussion when you don't even know the basic facts?

And the typical "You don't understand" remark. The only thing missing is the other most commonly used liberal statement of "That's different".

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

And when your insurance company can't compete anymore with the Govt, and are forced to either raise cost or close the doors, what does your grandfather clause provide then?

THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT COMPETITION.


WOW...you don't even have a basic understanding of the legislation.

How can I continue to have a discussion when you don't even know the basic facts?

And the typical "You don't understand" remark. The only thing missing is the other most commonly used liberal statement of "That's different".

You are claiming that insurance companies will have to compete with the government...and that is just 100% false.

There is no public option, there is no government offered plan...it is all private insurance.

So yes, I stand by my statement that you don't understand the legislation.

reply to post by macman


macman, the state has decreed that you will invoulutarily, voulunteer to accept government insurance. If you don't, you will be punished for not accepting the kind "offer" of free care which you have to pay for.

But this isn't totarialism/socialism/communism.

It's fluffy unicorns and happy smiles*.



*Smile or you will be shot!

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by macman

 

macman, the state has decreed that you will invoulutarily, voulunteer to accept government insurance. If you don't, you will be punished for not accepting the kind "offer" of free care which you have to pay for.

But this isn't totarialism/socialism/communism.

It's fluffy unicorns and happy smiles*.

*Smile or you will be shot!

There is no "government insurance".

It is unbelievable that people actually think there is a government offered insurance plan involved with this health care reform.

The public option died, unfortunately, so there is no "government insurance". Let's please stick with the facts.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Kaploink

 

Those with coverage have to file bankruptcy?
I have yet to see that.
It's simple, if you want health insurance, get a job that has it as a benefit or save up and get it.

I envy you, you must leave a simple trouble free existence, like a beautiful butterfly flitting from flower to flower in a sun streaked meadow - some of us our lives are not so idyllic stuff happens -- stuff we can't control and stuff we cant avoid. I am very happy the Zen is working for you.

Perhaps the true path is to be totally compassion free.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by macman

 

macman, the state has decreed that you will invoulutarily, voulunteer to accept government insurance. If you don't, you will be punished for not accepting the kind "offer" of free care which you have to pay for.

But this isn't totarialism/socialism/communism.

It's fluffy unicorns and happy smiles*.

*Smile or you will be shot!

There is no "government insurance".

It is unbelievable that people actually think there is a government offered insurance plan involved with this health care reform.

The public option died, unfortunately, so there is no "government insurance". Let's please stick with the facts.

Fact. It will become an entire government plan.
Fact. You obviously haven't reads the bill.
Fact. Talking points from HuffPo or MediaMatters.
Fact. Changing the narritive might derail for a while, but it never lasts.

And the biggest, FACT of all. . . . . .
When government takes over, just expect prices to rise. See government "light bulb".
50 Dollars?

Yeah, I want "them" in charge of my health!