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Pakistan Troops, NATO Helicopters Clash at Border

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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Interesting that you see this because it was China's money the one that financed Americas last two wars. That is why China is now the biggest holder of US debt and also has surpassed US in productivity.

Soo, I think China will have a lot to say about financing another war for the US, don't you think?




posted on May, 17 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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If there is trouble with Pakistan, Englands buggered, because if all the pakis in the UK decide to detonate at the same time it could be enough to cause England to break in two and send it to the sea bed.
Seriously though, it would be simpler to just leave the treacherous bastards to India..and its nuclear capacity.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Why doesn't Pakistan understand that NATO is just trying to build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan to China, India, and the Arabian Sea for our corporations...?? Geeeez! (jokes of course)

(But seriously..)

peace-corps.ca...

www.heartson.com...

www.sunray22b.net...



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Vanishr
 


Interesting that you see this because it was China's money the one that financed Americas last two wars. That is why China is now the biggest holder of US debt and also has surpassed US in productivity.

Soo, I think China will have a lot to say about financing another war for the US, don't you think?



The War has cost more than what the Chinese have invested. The Federal Reserve financed the war for the most part, they have six times more invested in the US than China.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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This could not be flagged enough!
This event could precipitate WWIII alrighty, all the elements are there (or were they put there?).
This is where more Americans need to yell and scream and protest and demand that Obama live up to his commitment to removing American troops from Afghanistan. And Iraq. And everywhere.

We could be looking at our generation's Sarajevo or Gulf of Tonkin.

Be very afraid because this type of thing goes very quickly very fast.
After warning the US not to violate its sovereignty, the US has sent drones into Pakistani territory on no less than 4 occasions. Because they don't care.
Be very afraid.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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If USA keeps taking over countires in the middle east they will land right next to Russian and Chinese soil and then when the big powers are backed into a corner the real war will start.

I mean a modern war, not the USA fighting taxi drivers and opium farmers in afghanistan and then come home on youtube proudly saying they whooped some ragheads butt while they hid in an M1 tank, or dropped bombs from the air. Or used a playstation controller to fly a UCAV to launch a hellfire missile.

It will be a modern war, with body bags by the shiploads and the supertough wannabes will come home in pieces. Not hunting some rag-tag third world farmers. Let the USA keep pushing and take over all countries. It will be a matter of time till the real fighters actually fight back.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Vanishr
America are clearly trying to provoke Pakistan into a war, its plain to see, of course they are looking to China for help, where else can they go !?



Maybe this is what the US is considering, war with China.

The Asian secret societies aren't taking orders from Washington anymore and Washington knows it. And there is also nothing they can do about it. Military operations around them would be beyond stupid, but they're desperate and have no more moves anyway.


Check it out....




posted on May, 17 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Skerrako


One day Pakistan is going to get fed up and either blow a chopper out of the air or expel all U.S. personnel from the country.


I suspect this is all just for show. PAkistan is basically at war with itself, and the officials within the formal Pakistan Government need to make a show for those in the SIS who support Al Queda that they arent too far in bed with the US.

As for US troops being 'expelled' from Pakistan, I find that hard to believe. One, they havent the might. The US does what it wanst there. And two, many of those in the official Paki Gov't know they need the US to keep the more militant factions of their miitary in check.



As to your other point, yeah all these European protests and Arab uprisings are all going to come to a head, and I believe that civil unrest is not far from America


Americans are too spread apart geographically and apathetic. Anything liek that in the US would likely be covert ops, IMO.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

As to your other point, yeah all these European protests and Arab uprisings are all going to come to a head, and I believe that civil unrest is not far from America


Americans are too spread apart geographically and apathetic. Anything liek that in the US would likely be covert ops, IMO.


No, Americans are plenty pissed off and want new government already, millions of us. The news does everything it can to suppress this thought and keep it out of American heads.


As far as geography, the American people themselves have the advantage there, believe me. For every expanse of mountains, there are rednecks armed to the teeth all over it. For every urban area, there are thugs and gangsters who know it like the back of their hand, who were born and raised there, also armed to the teeth. It's very diverse, but that is not a concern or problem for the American people, who only need cohesion in the fact that they are combating an oppressive government and its forces. Beyond that, it's the feds' problem trying to contain all these diverse areas and keep them under control, and they have their work cut out for them as it is. That's why our air waves are chock-full of propaganda 24/7. Otherwise it would already be SHTF.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

As to your other point, yeah all these European protests and Arab uprisings are all going to come to a head, and I believe that civil unrest is not far from America


Americans are too spread apart geographically and apathetic. Anything liek that in the US would likely be covert ops, IMO.


No, Americans are plenty pissed off and want new government already, millions of us. The news does everything it can to suppress this thought and keep it out of American heads.


I dont agree. I've been to far too many protests over the years to know that Americans are active enough to want to change much en masse.





As far as geography, the American people themselves have the advantage there, believe me. For every expanse of mountains, there are rednecks armed to the teeth all over it. For every urban area, there are thugs and gangsters who know it like the back of their hand, who were born and raised there, also armed to the teeth. It's very diverse, but that is not a concern or problem for the American people, who only need cohesion in the fact that they are combating an oppressive government and its forces.


You REALLY think think those divergant groups would all be fighting for the same thing? I think you want to believe Red Dawn was real.

The only people who would benefit from (and actively advance) any sort of armed revolt in the US would be a CIA type group. Thats what they do.

Americans are unhappy with a lot of things, but no one is going to take up arms en masse any time in the near future.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
Well what do they expect.... Pakistan has every right to defend itself against a foreign war machine entering their country.


People see this in black and white again, the US being black and Pakistan white. You do realize that Pakistan is an extremely unstable nuclear armed nation, don't you? The country can't control Islamic extremism and the risk of a coupe d'etat is always present. It is sometimes said that the US government is corrupt, but that's peanuts in comparison to Pakistan's government and intelligence agency.

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posted on May, 18 2011 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
I dont agree. I've been to far too many protests over the years to know that Americans are active enough to want to change much en masse.


Things are slowly changing already, it just hasn't hit the halls of Congress or corporate news as visibly yet. But even the mainstream is having to cope and counter-balance and outright ignore a lot of what is happening. Just because you don't see a lot of people causing a lot of disruption in the streets doesn't mean a lot of professionals in various positions through all walks of life are taking their own sides in these issues and finding their own ways to put pressure to the crooks in power. Even my legislators in Richmond have turned on federal policies again in recent years on a few different issues, like government healthcare, and investigating coining its own state currency.


You REALLY think think those divergant groups would all be fighting for the same thing? I think you want to believe Red Dawn was real.


They would only have to be fighting defensively the feds actually tried to bring it to that level. Then it would be for the same thing: survival. I'm not saying people just pick up pitch forks and go burn their towns and cities down.
That's not what needs to happen to reel our government in.


The only people who would benefit from (and actively advance) any sort of armed revolt in the US would be a CIA type group. Thats what they do.


Yeah, the same people who "masterminded" the Bay of Pigs. Versus a populace that will inevitably have a Che Guevara of its own amongst them somewhere.


Americans are unhappy with a lot of things, but no one is going to take up arms en masse any time in the near future.


I never said we were going to or even needed to. I simply was saying that from a strategic perspective, the vast geographic diversity is not an advantage to the small group of people trying to control the larger group of people who are spread out throughout the land. The vast amount of land benefits the common people. Our leaders would rather have us all in one small place for convenience. Instead they have about the total opposite.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 05:24 AM
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A good question would be were these soldiers acting alone and outside of the chain of command, or were they taking orders from thier superiors to fire upon these heavily armed helicopters? It wouldn't suprise me in the least if these "soldiers" don't even turn out to be soldiers at all, but rather some type of insurgent organization.

I really must question if these guys truly were Pakistani trained military because a well trained soldier would not have fired upon a heavily armed helicopter with small arms fire...



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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It is black and white here. A US war machine entered their borders without permission, and their military fired some warning shots. After we went in and pulled that military debauchle with Osama, I don't blame them. A war machine enters US airspace without permission, we would do the same sort of thing. Probable scramble fighter jets to escort them back out.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Vanishr
America are clearly trying to provoke Pakistan into a war, its plain to see, of course they are looking to China for help, where else can they go !? everyone else is in Americas pockets ! Or run by the US behind the scenes.


You hit the nail on the head there mate. It's the same thing the American puppet government did at Pearl Harbour. They provoked the Japanese into attacking them. They even blew up some of their own ships to make Japan look even more nastier.

Obama and his NATO stooges are at it again. Watch out for a False Flag attack by Barry if Pakistan don't take the bait!!



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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If USA keeps taking over countires in the middle east they will land right next to Russian and Chinese soil and then when the big powers are backed into a corner the real war will start.


Thgis is closer than you think, Russia has a large Naval and military base in Syria.....If bombs start falling there Im sure they will not take it lying down.

Russia is NO Libya, and their technology (although somewhat outdated) is more than powerful and advanced enough to give NATO plenty of trouble. Not to mention Syria is heavily militarized as well



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